posted January 03, 2022 04:13 PM            

I'm connected to a male body that is fairly masculine in a lot of ways, but inwardly (on a deeper soul/consciousness level) I feel slightly polarized to the Yin/feminine, and my chart is a bit polarized to the Yin/Feminine as well. So I very much understand some of the complexity and relativity of all this from a personal, as well as theoretical/conceptual viewpoint.

However, I also disagree with people who say that gender is completely a construct. Nor do I think that gender is completely cultural either. That is going to the opposite extreme. It is very clear that there are average, definite differences between male and female bodies biologically however the inner Soul/consciousness is influencing that body.

And the rare physical exceptions to the above, are QUITE rare (such as intersexed people). There is no point in defining a species by the extremes and rare exceptions.

Also, the whole pronoun thing, while I understand it in some respects, I also don't 100% agree with it. More so with the notion and expectation that others must or should call you what you prefer. Though I feel a bit more Yin/feminine in deeper ways than Yang/masculine, I would never think of demanding that others refer to me as "she" or "they".

That's an ego trip and a half. It's a control and power thing. If my long time spiritual path and practice has taught me anything, it has taught me the wisdom it is far better to worry about what I do or don't do in relation to others, rather than what others do or don't do in relation to me.

It is a narcissistic Fakebook, self entitled generation that expects others collectively to cow tow to them, their needs, wants, desires and this is one of the modern manifestations of it, "you must call me they, even though clearly I'm connected to a male or female body". I have a friend like this. Connected to a biologically male body and is heterosexual and non trans, but he expects people to call him "they" because now he is on a new age path in life and looking at things differently than previously. Needless to say, this is just one manifestation of some obvious ego issues that he has.

If an intersexed person asked me to call them they, that I would understand.

posted January 03, 2022 07:53 PM            

But boiling down Yin/Feminine and Yang/Masculine energies to their cores (in relation to consciousness): Yin/Feminine is passive, receptive, absorbing, more diffuse, and has a lower amplitude (in a symbolic sense, its less loud, direct, and in your face).

Yang/masculine energy is active, penetrating, concentrated/focused, higher amplitude, externally expressive vs Yin's internalizing. Basically, they are complete opposites.

For an astrological example, the middle of Aries is extremely Yang polarized, and the middle of Taurus and Cancer are very Yin polarized.

People that are polarized to the Yin/Feminine within their soul/consciousness (not their body), tend to be more tipped to the introverted spectrum. People that are polarized towards the Yang within their soul/consciousness tend to be more tipped to the extroverted part of the spectrum.

The body has its own influence independent of the inner consciousness. There are Yin polarized Souls in male bodies, and their are Yang polarized Souls in female bodies. But EVERYONE has both within them, just to different proportions.

There are very, very highly evolved Souls that are completely balanced and merged between them within, but these are extremely rare in human form. For these Souls, there is no more difference and they transcend both. These are what some in the spiritual community would call spiritual Masters or fully enlightened beings.

Well known OBE author and founder of the Monroe Instutute, Robert A. Monroe, met one of these in human form after he asked his guidance if he could meet the most spiritually mature (evolved) human living in his space/time reference. He was told sure, but it might not be what he'd expected.

In his out of body state, he was led to a normal looking room with a human sitting behind the desk. This person's energy/emanation initially overwhelmed him with it's intensity, beauty, and above all, the perfect balance between masculine and feminine--so much so, he couldn't tell whether it was a male or female form this individual was operating from. Not knowing this person's name at first, he first called them "He/She", "a true He/She!", to which "He/She" telepathically chuckled and said something like, "I've never had that name before. But one name is as good as any other."

When I tune into your energy, I definitely get a sense of more Yin/Feminine than Yang/Masculine in a consciousness sense. For example, look how little you post and interact here. I rarely ever see you. That is more of a Yin. You also have a quieter and more gentle energy than not. I bet you are also tipped to the introverted where being around large groups or the like tends to drain you and you need a certain amount of alone time to recharge.

For myself, I feel on average about 51/52% Yin polarized to 48/49% Yang in my inner consciousness. I'm not quite at that "He/She" level of perfect balance and merging, but not far either. But of course, my body, which is male, has a definite influence on me. What I described above, is my inner consciousness. When factoring in the body influence, I get tipped/polarized to the Yang somewhat overall.

posted January 03, 2022 09:38 PM            

What do you see in your chart that would explain how you feel about gender? Gender and gender roles have existed for thousands of years.

Perhaps some important Uranus aspects to personal planets like Venus, Mars, Moon, Sun?
Uranus confers unconventionality. It is not traditionally a sexual planet, and when it comes to sex, it certainly is not of the vanilla kind.

Neptune could also play a role, dissolving gender identity or role or boundaries.

Look at your charts! We can theorize all we want, the chart will always tell the story. I hope I did not sound dismissive. Just wanted the focus to stay on astrology, so we don't waste too much time trying to influence people one way or the other about gender.

posted January 03, 2022 09:43 PM            

I also talked about how when a Soul/consciousness becomes more and more spiritually/consciousness evolved, it starts to reach like a null point of transcending each and both, because they become so inter-balanced and merged that you can't tell the difference anymore.

Perhaps you are starting to get near that point, but considering how little you clearly perceive about all this, I doubt that (since perception tends to follow beingness). You probably just have a major hormonal imbalance in your body which affects you and your emotions and emotional attunement very strongly. This is a known phenomena. If you took outside hormones, you'd probably experience a more "normal" attunement.

posted January 03, 2022 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
To ItsKikigirl and Nadja

What do you see in your chart that would explain how you feel about gender?

Perhaps some important Uranus aspects to personal planets like Venus, Mars, Moon, Sun?

Uranus confers unconventionality and it is not traditionally a sexual planet, and when it comes to sex, it certainly is not of the vanilla kind.

Neptune could also play a role, dissolving gender identity or role or boundaries.

Look at your charts! We can theorize all we want, the chart will always tell the story. I hope I did not sound dismissive. Just wanted the focus to stay on astrology, so we don't waste too much time trying to influence people one way or the other about gender.

This is a great thread that has a lot of potential.

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Neptune is very prominent in my chart which is probably significant. I have Mars conjunct Mercury on the MC, opposite Neptune on the IC, also many other aspects. By declination Uranus is parallel IC and contraparallel Sun and Mars.

posted January 03, 2022 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Neptune is very prominent in my chart which is probably significant. I have Mars conjunct Mercury on the opposite Neptune on the IC, also many other aspects. By declination Uranus is parallel IC and contraparallel Sun and Mars.

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That makes a lot of sense!

We have been going through a Neptune transit into Pisces for years now, and soon will be going through Pluto entering unconventional Aquarius.

posted January 03, 2022 10:12 PM            

When 16, after going to several different people and fields, I was finally told by an allergy specialist that I had an incurable genetic condition, that I would need to be on medication for the rest of my life, and that I had an allergy to heat.

All completely wrong, and eventually healed myself of this mysterious, genetic, incurable condition without any pharmaceuticals.

My partner went to do egg donation. Went through a battery of tests (more than most ever go through). She was told her thyroid was underactive and that she would need to be on thyroid hormone replacement for the rest of her life. She said, let me talk to my partner before I make any decisions.

She asked me about it, I told her to start eating quantities of kelp (primarily for the iodine). She did this for a few weeks and then went back to get re-tested, and tested within "normal" range. The doctor was incredulous when she told him what she had done and why.

I have other accounts similar to the above. Hormones is one of those areas of medical "science" that still has a lot of unknowns and which is not fully understood, and modern western medicine doesn't look at the body and health holistically enough.

And speaking of spectrum's--like my partner's thyroid hormones, though she tested in the "normal" range when she went back, it was still low'ish part of the range, and probably lower than it should be for ideal/optimal health (after all, it was only 3 weeks or so of correction). But because it was in that general acceptable range, they gave her a pass and let her donate. And over the next couple to few years, she donated 3 or 4 more times after.

posted January 03, 2022 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by ItsKikigirl:
I wanted to start a thread on this because as we progress further and understanding things like gender as a social construct I wanted to re evaluate some of the ways we have thought about astrology, thought about aspects, and connections and how we’ve connected it to gender. Not everyone conceptualize gender this way but in my years of studying sociology and gender studies I have re evaluated my entire understanding of gender. Mainly because in the many years that I have learned astrology I have heard things like “the man in the relationship may feel this aspect in this way more than the woman” and so on and so forth. And firstly it really doesn’t take into consideration relationships with people who are both women or both men or even those who are non binary. Also I am okay with the idea of masculinity and femininity in terms of it defining certain characteristics and ways of being but it becomes tricky when we attach it to male bodied or female bodied people meaning that we perceive masculine things as being only for males to “feel” in an aspect and vice versa . One thing I think about is there’s no real constraints on what it even means to be a man or woman and that the woman, for example, in the relationship could be the more characteristically masculine person in the relationship. And so to say that certain aspects would be felt or more representative of one particular gender in a relationship is really constraining and in my opinion inaccurate considering every person in every relationship is going to be different and their gender wouldn’t really define how an aspect will be felt with them. Another example is when people say “it’s better if the man is this planet and woman is this planet in an aspect” which may not be accurate for every person in every relationship. This is my personal opinion, any thoughts on gender and astrology in regards to really anything?

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I have noticed that even in same sex relationships, one person will be more yang and the other person will be more yin. One person will take on the male role and the other will take on the female role.

Polarity is what seems to turn most people on. Yang will repel yang and yin will repel yin. I have yet to see two masculine men or two masculine women in long term relationships. Ditto for two feminine men, or two feminine women. Even in those relationships, gender role is not erased, though it may be flipped or turned on its head.

If I am reading a chart, I will take into consideration different sexual orientation or unconventional gender identities IF I have been made aware of it in the first place. And I can taylor my reading to reflect that.

posted January 03, 2022 10:49 PM            

I'm going to let my freak flag fly high a bit to give you some examples of what a human can do when they open up, go deep within, and start attuning to internal guidance.

My first semi remote viewing experience. I was at Cayce's A.R.E. at Virginia Beach visiting and they had a free psychic development class. My partner and I were a new couple at this time (many years ago), and we both decided to take the class. Rather than a long lecture or the like, it was more experiential based.

We each received a thick, manila envelope and were told that there was a picture in there, and we were told to try to sense what that picture was. My partner and I sat very close to each other, and were very much in the honeymoon phase of our relationship where we were constantly spending time together and each considered each other best friends as well as lovers, partners, etc.

Anyways, during my session, I received two distinct impressions. The first was of just a lot of BLUE and within the middle of that blue was a small, ovalish circle (I both wrote and drew these impressions at the time). Made no sense to me, but I wrote it down anyway. Next and differently, I perceived a sensation of speed, saw something like waving tall grass, and then something that reminded me of horses mane (but I didn't write horse down).

When she and I opened up our envelopes at the end and looked at the pictures, I was very surprised that I had apparently picked up on BOTH of our pics. Her's was a art photo of a completely blue background with an eye in the middle that was a slightly different shade of blue. Mine was a picture of a group of wild horses galloping in a field of tall grass that was waving in the wind.

When I went to the Monroe Institute for the Gateway Voyage program, at one point we were told by our trainers that they had a surprise for us. We went to a different building and did something totally different than what we had been doing. We watched a video of an ex military remote viewer do his thing for a Japanese show. Then, after, we were told we would practice our own remote viewing session.

We were only given a random set of numbers that symbolically connected to the target we were to view. What I got was this. I sensed a large, thin arching structure. Got a strong sense of water, and of city type buildings nearby. When we were done, they revealed the target. It had been the St. Louis arch, which I hadn't ever previously seen before.

Another more stand out experience. I went to the A.R.E.'s annual members congress and met Edgar Cayce's foremost biographer there, Sidney Kirkpatrick. I felt that we had some kind of other life connection, and I felt that he had a past life/karmic connection to Edgar Cayce. I was curious about it, so I went up to the meditation room, went deep into meditation, connected with internal guidance and asked about it, and was told yes to both. I then asked if I could receive a name. Received a first and last name.

Later on, under pretense of introducing him to my partner, right before a talk as we were sitting down, I saw him walking and waved him over. Made introductions and then said, "I'm sure you and your wife have had various psychic readings, has this name ever come up for you in a past life sense?"

The look on his face was priceless, he looked shocked. Indeed it had come up more than once for him. He later confided in me that he was doubly mind blown, because he said, just before I had waved him down, he was thinking about that connection and wondering if it would come up at the conference. He felt I had "read his mind" (I don't think I did, but perhaps had a mutual intuitive-guidance experience).

These are just some stand out experiences, but truth is, in the last couple decades or so, I've had hundreds of psychic-intuitive events with some kind of way beyond chance synchronicity and/or verification. My partner has also had many powerful and verified psychic type experiences. I've seen some of her very specific precognitive dreams come to pass or the like. I've learned that when a human goes deep within and communicates with and attunes to guidance, one can find out information about all kinds of topics.

Why is this? Because all information/energy/consciousness is completely interconnected and One. It is a type of consciousness quantum entanglement and Bell's theorem.

And I rely more on that than outside, human sources of info, because I've found the latter quite faulty, incomplete, etc, just like those experiences with those doctors that I mentioned earlier.

Basically, I just know stuff quite often, and I've spent most of my life learning and practicing to attune myself more deeply. I started meditating about 29 years ago when I was age 13, after a psychic/spiritual awakening that started a year earlier.

Most people can do this to some degree or extent (since we all have a nonphysical consciousness and are part of that Oneness equally). I'm not special in the least bit. I've just put more work, energy, focus, practice, time into both in this and other lives, and so I have developed skills in this area, which looked like inborn/innate talent from those other lives/experiences. My chart reflects this on multiple levels in multiple ways as to heightened psychism/intuition.

Anyways, when I talk about Yin-Yang, I'm talking from the above kind of attunement, having pondered these concepts for many, many years (literally almost 3 decades), having sought and communicated with internal guidance. But you're right, I'm not likely to change your mind (after all, your chart ruler is in Taurus, which in my experience is THE most fixed and stubborn symbol of them all in astrology) and you're not likely to change my mind on these matters, so this will likely be my last reply to you about this topic.

posted January 03, 2022 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by ItsKikigirl:
I wanted to start a thread on this because as we progress further and understanding things like gender as a social construct I wanted to re evaluate some of the ways we have thought about astrology, thought about aspects, and connections and how we’ve connected it to gender. Not everyone conceptualize gender this way but in my years of studying sociology and gender studies I have re evaluated my entire understanding of gender. Mainly because in the many years that I have learned astrology I have heard things like “the man in the relationship may feel this aspect in this way more than the woman” and so on and so forth. And firstly it really doesn’t take into consideration relationships with people who are both women or both men or even those who are non binary. Also I am okay with the idea of masculinity and femininity in terms of it defining certain characteristics and ways of being but it becomes tricky when we attach it to male bodied or female bodied people meaning that we perceive masculine things as being only for males to “feel” in an aspect and vice versa . One thing I think about is there’s no real constraints on what it even means to be a man or woman and that the woman, for example, in the relationship could be the more characteristically masculine person in the relationship. And so to say that certain aspects would be felt or more representative of one particular gender in a relationship is really constraining and in my opinion inaccurate considering every person in every relationship is going to be different and their gender wouldn’t really define how an aspect will be felt with them. Another example is when people say “it’s better if the man is this planet and woman is this planet in an aspect” which may not be accurate for every person in every relationship. This is my personal opinion, any thoughts on gender and astrology in regards to really anything?

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I reread your post and focused more on the bolded. And yes i see what you mean.

For instance, typically in astrology, they will say that a Mars/Venus conjunction in synastry works best if the man is the Mars and the woman is the Venus. Yes I have read such statements in the past.

But it didn't keep me from thinking that there could be great relationships where the woman is the Mars and the man is the Venus. Or that it could be a successful aspect in a same sex relationship.

posted January 03, 2022 11:48 PM            

Hot and cold. (Actually, in physics, there really is only considered heat/energy and a relative lack of same. In other words, "cold" doesn't exist objectively, but only in relation to relative heat/energy levels, but let's just call an absence, "cold" as a thing unto itself for this thought/imagination experiment).

The coldest temperature ever observed/recorded/created in a lab was -273.15 Celsius. That's pretty f'ing cold, and we know there are colder possible temps than that though.

The hottest temperature ever observed/created in person (again in lab type conditions) is 4 trillion degrees Celsius.

Hmm, say hot and cold is a bit like Yin and Yang, but actually reversed--say that Yang is symbolically like heat and Yin is symbolically like cold.

No matter how you measure the difference between these, whether in Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin, etc, within that "binary" concept, there are literally trillions of gradient degree differences. And yet we know, there is and has to be an absolute limit or extreme to each--neither direction is infinite--at some point, both ways, there is a "cut off".

Yin and Yang spectrum is kind of like that, and everyone has their own unique, specific temperature or rather, proportion of balance/imbalance between them, except for those rare consciousnesses (well, only rare in a human sense) who achieve that perfect balance and integration (these thus have the same temperature so to speak).

If you look at it in the proper context, you start to realize, it is not really much of a "limited" spectrum, even though it is contained within a binary construct of two opposing conditions/realities. That is because of relativity, proportion, and degree of difference!

Binary spectrum so limited say what?

Our main or most common computer language is also literally binary as well. Just two individual symbols--0 and 1. And yet, look what 0 and 1 specific, unique combinations can do! Along with electricity (another mostly binary concept, which is why batteries have a negative and positive terminal), it literally runs the machine of our global, modern society. Literally just 0 and 1. You can literally describe anything in the known physical universe mathematically in the language of 0 and 1's. Literally two states/two consciousnesses is all you need to create the rest of complex reality.

And we see this described in religion symbolically as well. In the Bible, in the beginning, there was the prime Creator that has always existed. That prime Creator created a child, which was called "Light" or Logos.

From the relative interaction of just those two initially, EVERYTHING else came into existence. All the trillions and trillions of different forms, consciousnesses, levels, concepts, ideas, started from a 1 and then a 2.

Deep you say, well we haven't even scratched the surface! Let's not get into the concept of perfect/absolute Love and the relative lack/absence of same, and how the entire consciousness system is based on that interaction and potential relative difference, and when you get a significant lack of attunement to Love, you start to see more and more intense fear which leads to ever more separative selfishness, until eventually a consciousness becomes so cut of from Love and it's true Source nature that it unravels its own consciousness sweater and experiences a true and final death i.e. a consciousness death (and when consciousness is potentially and usually eternal).

p.s., if I write anymore, I will include astrology.

posted January 05, 2022 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
To ItsKikigirl and Nadja

What do you see in your chart that would explain how you feel about gender? Gender and gender roles have existed for thousands of years.

Perhaps some important Uranus aspects to personal planets like Venus, Mars, Moon, Sun?
Uranus confers unconventionality. It is not traditionally a sexual planet, and when it comes to sex, it certainly is not of the vanilla kind.

Neptune could also play a role, dissolving gender identity or role or boundaries.

Look at your charts! We can theorize all we want, the chart will always tell the story. I hope I did not sound dismissive. Just wanted the focus to stay on astrology, so we don't waste too much time trying to influence people one way or the other about gender.

This is a great thread that has a lot of potential.

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posted January 05, 2022 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Here is an excellent example of a "binary" concept that has many, many, many shades of relative difference in between.

Hot and cold. (Actually, in physics, there really is only considered heat/energy and a relative lack of same. In other words, "cold" doesn't exist objectively, but only in relation to relative heat/energy levels, but let's just call an absence, "cold" as a thing unto itself for this thought/imagination experiment).

The coldest temperature ever observed/recorded/created in a lab was -273.15 Celsius. That's pretty f'ing cold, and we know there are colder possible temps than that though.

The hottest temperature ever observed/created in person (again in lab type conditions) is 4 trillion degrees Celsius.

Hmm, say hot and cold is a bit like Yin and Yang, but actually reversed--say that Yang is symbolically like heat and Yin is symbolically like cold.

No matter how you measure the difference between these, whether in Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin, etc, within that "binary" concept, there are literally trillions of gradient degree differences. And yet we know, there is and has to be an absolute limit or extreme to each--neither direction is infinite--at some point, both ways, there is a "cut off".

Yin and Yang spectrum is kind of like that, and everyone has their own unique, specific temperature or rather, proportion of balance/imbalance between them, except for those rare consciousnesses (well, only rare in a human sense) who achieve that perfect balance and integration (these thus have the same temperature so to speak).

If you look at it in the proper context, you start to realize, it is not really much of a "limited" spectrum, even though it is contained within a binary construct of two opposing conditions/realities. That is because of relativity, proportion, and degree of difference!

Binary spectrum so limited say what?

Our main or most common computer language is also literally binary as well. Just two individual symbols--0 and 1. And yet, look what 0 and 1 specific, unique combinations can do! Along with electricity (another mostly binary concept, which is why batteries have a negative and positive terminal), it literally runs the machine of our global, modern society. Literally just 0 and 1. You can literally describe anything in the known physical universe mathematically in the language of 0 and 1's. Literally two states/two consciousnesses is all you need to create the rest of complex reality.

And we see this described in religion symbolically as well. In the Bible, in the beginning, there was the prime Creator that has always existed. That prime Creator created a child, which was called "Light" or Logos.

From the relative interaction of just those two initially, EVERYTHING else came into existence. All the trillions and trillions of different forms, consciousnesses, levels, concepts, ideas, started from a 1 and then a 2.

Deep you say, well we haven't even scratched the surface! Let's not get into the concept of perfect/absolute Love and the relative lack/absence of same, and how the entire consciousness system is based on that interaction and potential relative difference, and when you get a significant lack of attunement to Love, you start to see more and more intense fear which leads to ever more separative selfishness, until eventually a consciousness becomes so cut of from Love and it's true Source nature that it unravels its own consciousness sweater and experiences a true and final death i.e. a consciousness death (and when consciousness is potentially and usually eternal).

p.s., if I write anymore, I will include astrology.

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posted January 05, 2022 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
As a nonbinary person this is something I've thought a lot about. I'm agender, meaning that I don't have a gender identity, I'm neither man, woman or anything inbetween. Most people will perceive me as feminine and that's fine, but gender is kind of a foreign concept for me. Beyond the purely physical I've never quite understood what people mean by masculine and feminine, nor have I ever felt more connected to one over the other. I think this disconnect I feel regarding gender has to do with me being aromantic and asexual as well. I've never had any romantic/sexual relationships and I have theory that we build our gender identity at least partly in relation to sexual/romantic partners. There are experiences that are unique to such relationships and I think that those experiences may have a big impact on how we experience gender. As far as astrology goes I generally disregard gender. Since I don't quite understand, perceive or value the gender binary/polarity as other people seem to do there is limited astrological use for it for me personally.

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posted January 05, 2022 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I reread your post and focused more on the bolded. And yes i see what you mean.

For instance, typically in astrology, they will say that a Mars/Venus conjunction in synastry works best if the man is the Mars and the woman is the Venus. Yes I have read such statements in the past.

But it didn't keep me from thinking that there could be great relationships where the woman is the Mars and the man is the Venus. Or that it could be a successful aspect in a same sex relationship.

I have never read any astrologer say that it ONLY works if the man is the Mars and the woman is the Venus though. Any astrologer who would say that would not be very good imo.

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posted January 05, 2022 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I have noticed that even in same sex relationships, one person will be more yang and the other person will be more yin. One person will take on the male role and the other will take on the female role.

Polarity is what seems to turn most people on. Yang will repel yang and yin will repel yin. I have yet to see two masculine men or two masculine women in long term relationships. Ditto for two feminine men, or two feminine women. Even in those relationships, gender role is not erased, though it may be flipped or turned on its head.

If I am reading a chart, I will take into consideration different sexual orientation or unconventional gender identities IF I have been made aware of it in the first place. And I can taylor my reading to reflect that.

However, are we asking that all astrologers mince their words as not to offend people and adopt gender neutral terms when reading a chart? I personally think that is going overboard. I am sure there can be a specialized branch of astrology that could address provide what the reader is looking for. And people can look for astrologers who specialize in these things if they are easily offended or feel invalidated.

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posted January 05, 2022 08:49 PM            

Just as the Yin Feminine Signs of Taurus, Cancer, Scorpio, Capricorn (actually a rather deep feeling and sensitive symbol), Pisces, etc tend to be more empathic and/or feeling oriented.

And just as the Yang Masculine Signs of Aries, Gemini, Leo, Sagittarius, and Aquarius tend to be more action and/or intellect focused than the Yin/Feminine signs. Funny how that works, no?

posted January 06, 2022 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
As a nonbinary person this is something I've thought a lot about. I'm agender, meaning that I don't have a gender identity, I'm neither man, woman or anything inbetween. Most people will perceive me as feminine and that's fine, but gender is kind of a foreign concept for me. Beyond the purely physical I've never quite understood what people mean by masculine and feminine, nor have I ever felt more connected to one over the other. I think this disconnect I feel regarding gender has to do with me being aromantic and asexual as well. I've never had any romantic/sexual relationships and I have theory that we build our gender identity at least partly in relation to sexual/romantic partners. There are experiences that are unique to such relationships and I think that those experiences may have a big impact on how we experience gender. As far as astrology goes I generally disregard gender. Since I don't quite understand, perceive or value the gender binary/polarity as other people seem to do there is limited astrological use for it for me personally.

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I will readily admit to being unfamiliar both in terms of personal experience and knowledge about non-binary people, especially those who are also aromantic and asexual.

I am wondering if in previous times, people like you were more drawn to the monastic life as mystics or maybe found it an easier accepted societal outlet, and as such, were more likely to join religious institutions where they could live a life of celibacy as monks and nuns.

posted January 06, 2022 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ItsKikigirl:
I just wanna say I appreciate everyone’s comments and really appreciate we can all have different opinions and have a healthy conversation about it. Thank you all for taking the time to tell your perspective!

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You are welcome, and as I said earlier, I really appreciate you starting this thread, because it has a lot of potential to provide learning and I think we are just only scratching the surface.

posted January 06, 2022 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I will readily admit to being unfamiliar both in terms of personal experience and knowledge about non-binary people, especially those who are also aromantic and asexual.

I am wondering if in previous times, people like you were more drawn to the monastic life as mystics or maybe found it an easier accepted societal outlet, and as such, were more likely to join religious institutions where they could live a life of celibacy as monks and nuns.

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