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Topic: Is this man a cheat?
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rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 04, 2017 02:05 AM
I really need to know if my husband cheats. His Sun, Moon, Mercury, Neptune and True Node in Scorpio with Sagittarius rising. He was born 11/3/56 at 10:10am in Ventura, CA. We have been going thru a really difficult period for the last several years and many signs point to infidelity. As an example, I took an online test and he had 53 of the 60 signs of a cheater. There is much more but he can also be believable in his explanations. I've been living in hell for a long time and just need answers. Anyone that can help me figure out his potential for playing around would be a hero. There are a lot of details - important details - being left out in case no one wants to take this on. But I will divulge all when/if needed. Thanks for even considering it. IP: Logged |
TaurusVenusGirl Knowflake Posts: 145 From: Heavens Above Registered: Aug 2016
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posted June 04, 2017 03:52 AM
Im no expert, but if he is a man, I would say "YES" he is a cheater!Best to post you both your charts to get a more descriptive reply. IP: Logged |
rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 04, 2017 09:33 AM
I feel 'ya on that one. My info is July 10, 1962 at 5:07am in San Diego, CA. It's not going to be pretty.Thank you so much for taking the time to do this - if you decide not to, I won't blame you at all, TaurusVenusGirl. IP: Logged |
jjj Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 05, 2017 09:51 AM
Many Pisces men are prone to cheating in my experience...IP: Logged |
rubynoir Knowflake Posts: 76 From: United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 05, 2017 10:16 AM
Hi,I'm just a beginner in astrology but from your concerns, I think the best thing to do would be to have an honest and open conversation about everything with your husband rather than assume. I wouldn't base whether he has actually cheated or not on potentially being a victim of his own natal chart as we all have the power of free will. Perhaps posting his chart could give a little insight to whether any aspects could make him predisposed to certain behaviours. All the best xxx IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 05, 2017 01:18 PM
will post later... this was a mistaken post as I confused the TOB...IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 11, 2017 03:15 AM
wondering about this thread. what happened?IP: Logged |
rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 11, 2017 09:53 AM
I am so sorry, nordicsoul. I am back and thank you for your comments. I'm impressed with how well you nailed it regarding the way he communicates. I've thought, at times, that he was intentionally causing me to suspect his behavior but he always insists he would never try to make someone jealous because he knows firsthand how that feels. SSomething just doesn't ring true when he says that, for some reason. Maybe he "protests too much" but I also believe he's a narcissist. Actually, his ex-wife and both children strike me as being narcissistic as well. It was just one big, happy nest of narcissism, I'm sure. I digress. When you mentioned he may have a tendency to justify his actions for cheating, it hit home for me. Disclosing this is difficult for me but here goes: we haven't had much sex in the last 5 years due to a clash of wills and both of us having excessive pride. There is a situation that exists where he was supposed to handle an obligation - one that comes up every year like clockwork - and neglecting this task will lead you to legal problems. I had already been subjected to state-level incarceration twice that resulted in the loss of almost 5 years of my life, and was unwilling to risk another term for something as petty as a few hundred dollars. So, I used the only thing I had that had any value to him as a Scorpio - sex. What I failed to understand at the time was his absolute aversion to any kind of "deals" when it came to that topic. So, here it is, going on 6 years later and he still hasn't taken care of that obligation. We are now 6 years overdue, the penalties are insane, it was $2700 just to retain legal assistance to do the paperwork (that has been completed for over a year but he still hasn't signed them) and they have suspended his account (the company hired to help) for lack of response. Oh, and get this - that first year obligation? Turns out we didn't owe anything after all. But the following 5 years with penalties is $20,000 to $30,000. I know that was too detailed of a response but there you have it. There hasn't been a complete absence of sex but might as well be. I have too much pride to give up the fight and he has too much pride to give in. What I know is that there was nothing else I could possibly barter with and I couldn't get him to take care of it for anything. He hates giving his money up to that particular agency and I don't blame him. But he really made it clear that I wasn't important enough to him to deal with it and that was hard to take. Now I expect him to exact his revenge on me for doing this to him and what better way than to cheat? He is adamant in his denials, professes his undying love for me, blah, blah, blah. I simply don't believe it because if he did, he wouldn't risk losing me to a penal institution. For the record, we've been together 16 years now. Hope this info helped. Oh, and yes, I know the error of my ways. I wish I would have done it differently but it's too late now. I just need to prepare for the inevitable payback. IP: Logged |
rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 11, 2017 10:08 AM
By the way, nordic soul, if I were to tell you the reasons I feel he's a cheat, you would be appalled that I have doubts at all. I could give you a list that would eliminate any uncertainty but it would make me look like the fool that I believe I am. What gives me pause are things in my chart that claim I have a tendency to see things that aren't there, plus his denials, of course. I'd like to believe, as a Scorpio, that if he was cheating, he'd own it and just say "deal with it or don't. Your choice." I don't want to believe he chose the chickensh*t way but he probably did.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 71710 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2017 10:44 AM
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 11, 2017 02:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by rayofnight: I really need to know if my husband cheats. His Sun, Moon, Mercury, Neptune and True Node in Scorpio with Sagittarius rising. He was born 11/3/56 at 10:10am in Ventura, CA. We have been going thru a really difficult period for the last several years and many signs point to infidelity. As an example, I took an online test and he had 53 of the 60 signs of a cheater. There is much more but he can also be believable in his explanations. I've been living in hell for a long time and just need answers. Anyone that can help me figure out his potential for playing around would be a hero. There are a lot of details - important details - being left out in case no one wants to take this on. But I will divulge all when/if needed. Thanks for even considering it.
What does his mars and jupiter rule? Where does his mars and jupiter fall in? What is his time of birth? IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 12, 2017 11:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by rayofnight: I'd like to believe, as a Scorpio, that if he was cheating, he'd own it and just say "deal with it or don't. Your choice." I don't want to believe he chose the chickensh*t way but he probably did.
i thin mercury in piscis aspecting neptune would tend to chichen rather than comunicating in a scorpionic way. he communicates in the elusive way of the energy ruling mercury, which is neptunian. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 12, 2017 12:05 PM
she put the DOB in the begining of the thread. his mars in capricorn in 8th, saturn in sagitarius, jupiter in leo in 4th. mars and jupiter has a semisquaremy opinion is that he has little sense of limit and responsibility (with depositor of mars saturn in saggi + jupiter in Leo in hard although minor aspect) IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 12, 2017 12:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by nordicsoul: she put the DOB in the begining of the thread. his mars in capricorn in 8th, saturn in sagitarius, jupiter in leo in 4th. mars and jupiter has a semisquaremy opinion is that he has little sense of limit and responsibility (with depositor of mars saturn in saggi + jupiter in Leo in hard although minor aspect)
She must have added it and did not let me know, thanks for bringing it to my attention love. He actually has mars in pisces opposite jupiter in virgo... I will check now with tob rulers and house placements.. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 12, 2017 12:34 PM
Mars is in the 3H opposite Jupiter in the 9H with Mars ruling the 4H, I dont feel confident he is cheating tbh. Mars opposite jupiter is very competitive and likes a challenge but is falling in a cerebral axis (3H, 9H) and mars is ruling the 4H, I imagine he likes to be in control at home and to call the shots but it also means he puts his family life first. He is probably very argumentative yes and does not back down from a debate. With a scorpio stellium and Mars ruling the 4H I can see how he can be very prideful specially since Pluto in the 8H squares his nodes, he probably worries a lot about money and likes to save save save, part of why he is here is to learn about money and find that balance when it comes to money matters until then he will have hard lessons revolving around finances and loss. Yet since mars is in a cerebral house (3H) and it sesquisquares neptune and does not aspect Pluto or Venus I don't feel sex is super important to him so I don't see him going out of his way to cheat bc his wife is not having sex with him at home enough.... I hope this helped!
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 12, 2017 12:38 PM
I will add that he has cancer intercepted in the 7H so he probably has a hard time expressing his feelings one on one to his significant other.It may be easier to express his feelings to his friends since he has Moon falling in the 11H. With moon conjunct Northnode part of why he is here is to learn to be more in touch with his emotions and express them better since moon is also intercepted. Do you guys come from different cultural backgrounds? IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 12, 2017 02:22 PM
Ok there is one RED FLAG.The Ruler of his 5H is Venus which conjuncts Widely his Jupiter, so this could either manifest by him having a lot of children, him having many hobbies, him having his own business which he takes care of like his baby or if none of that is happening he may be prone at times to channel that energy by having romances on the side if the romance in his marriage is not kept alive but having VENUS in LIBRA I feel he would rather not go there and would want to be true to his marriage. IP: Logged |
rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 13, 2017 05:16 AM
No, we were both born in California, same race, both of Irish/Scottish descent. Differences include me being orphaned and on my own by age 13, with all that entails. He was from a semi-strict Catholic home and was a virgin until age 19. However, he was obsessed with sexual images at the tender age of 6 and never lost it. Actually, he's obsessed with sex period, though that might have something to do with substance use (as ii typically enhances what is already there). Some of the signs that led me to this conclusion are so obviously suspicious that it's almost textbook. As an example, leaves at 10 pm to go to the store for some milk, comes back 5 hours later after not answering his phone the entire time. His excuse? "I read every label." Yes, he does come home with some items but hardly enough to fill a 5-hour slot. This hasn't only happened once, by the way. More like once a week, or at the very least, bi-weekly. That is one example - I have probably 50 more. IP: Logged |
rayofnight Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted June 13, 2017 05:22 AM
I really want to thank you both for helping me on this. I have no one to talk to at all so it's been a very isolating experience for me. He has basically closed me off to everything and I'm fighting my way out as we speak. I'm 1800 miles away from my hometown, don't know anyone here and he has had my driver's license and vehicle taken from me. Trapped, indeed.IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 13, 2017 07:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: She must have added it and did not let me know, thanks for bringing it to my attention love. He actually has mars in pisces opposite jupiter in virgo... I will check now with tob rulers and house placements..
oh god! I just inverted the month with the day. will need to check the chart again. thanks for bringing this up. will delete my original post as it is misleading... ups! are you sure? i checked again the chart and it is in capricorn... love IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 13, 2017 07:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Ok there is one RED FLAG.The Ruler of his 5H is Venus which conjuncts Widely his Jupiter, so this could either manifest by him having a lot of children, him having many hobbies, him having his own business which he takes care of like his baby or if none of that is happening he may be prone at times to channel that energy by having romances on the side if the romance in his marriage is not kept alive but having VENUS in LIBRA I feel he would rather not go there and would want to be true to his marriage.
and his venus in libra sextile exact saturn, which is a sign of stability in relationships IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1686 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 13, 2017 07:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by rayofnight: No, we were both born in California, same race, both of Irish/Scottish descent. Differences include me being orphaned and on my own by age 13, with all that entails. He was from a semi-strict Catholic home and was a virgin until age 19. However, he was obsessed with sexual images at the tender age of 6 and never lost it. Actually, he's obsessed with sex period, though that might have something to do with substance use (as ii typically enhances what is already there). Some of the signs that led me to this conclusion are so obviously suspicious that it's almost textbook. As an example, leaves at 10 pm to go to the store for some milk, comes back 5 hours later after not answering his phone the entire time. His excuse? "I read every label." Yes, he does come home with some items but hardly enough to fill a 5-hour slot. This hasn't only happened once, by the way. More like once a week, or at the very least, bi-weekly. That is one example - I have probably 50 more.
that would be a more accurate sign of cheating... the chart give more his personality inclinations, but the action of cheating may or may not occur... his mars in piscis oppose jupiter is a red flag, as it indicates a person who has conflict with his moral principles. he wants to do something (mars) that oppose his principles (jupiter) having a mars in piscis (where all boundaries are dissolved and people go about what they want in ways which are not straightforward) added to the ruler of mars (neptune) conjunct mercury and sesquasre mars. he definetely has the "talent" for lying or giving misleading information. mars aflicted by his ruler neptune & by jupiter mercury conjunct neptune: talent for misleading and lying + non straighforward communication. that is why you do not see the scorpio side in his communication. neptune conjunct mercury is stronger than the sign mercury is placed. so his communication style is more piscean than scorpionic. besides, mars is corruler of mercury and we already discussed mars affliction. the final dispositor of mercury is neptune-jupiter mercury in scorpio disposed by mars, mars in piscis disposed by jupiter& neptune. neptune. jupiter in leo disposed by sun in scorpio disposed by mars.. you get the idea! Saturn here in Sagittarius does not help as the sense of duty and compliance with society rules are very much influenced by his moral values and vision of what is good and bad. he tend to create his own rules to obey. provided they are sound, that would not be a problem. however, if a person has Jupiter in leo (sense of god-like and entitlement is enhanced) in opposition to mars. he will feel he "deserve" and "takes" what he needs. and will self-justify. please notice that in his chart mars is stronger than Jupiter as coruler of the sun in scorpio which is depositor of Jupiter. so in the conflicting situation betweein mars (want to do) and Jupiter (morals) mars wins. so his wants has prevalence on his morals.
the helping aspect is the venus sextile Saturn, but we need to keep in mind that Saturn is very much influenced by his moral values as per the explanation above... bottom line: he has lying talent and he can cheat and he is not straightforward. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 13, 2017 11:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by nordicsoul: oh god! I just inverted the month with the day. will need to check the chart again. thanks for bringing this up. will delete my original post as it is misleading... ups! are you sure? i checked again the chart and it is in capricorn... love
His birthday is NOVEMBER 3 1956 born at 10:10 am in the morning. This is his chart according to astro.com, notice how I put in the correct birth information including the right city and state: IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 13, 2017 11:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by rayofnight:
Some of the signs that led me to this conclusion are so obviously suspicious that it's almost textbook. As an example, leaves at 10 pm to go to the store for some milk, comes back 5 hours later after not answering his phone the entire time. His excuse? "I read every label." Yes, he does come home with some items but hardly enough to fill a 5-hour slot. This hasn't only happened once, by the way. More like once a week, or at the very least, bi-weekly. That is one example - I have probably 50 more.
OK he is definitely cheating! and so yes then venus ruling his 5H which is a house I associate more with casual sex conjunct Jupiter must be doing it especially when you factor in his mars opposes Jupiter (he likes a challenge) and that he has mars in Pisces, it must explain the cheating behavior... IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7174 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted June 13, 2017 11:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by nordicsoul: and his venus in libra sextile exact saturn, which is a sign of stability in relationships
I guess the conjunction to Jupiter from ruler of his 5H is more powerful than the sextile to Saturn, must be overriding it specially when you factor in that Jupiter is also opposing his mars in pisces. IP: Logged |