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gsinibaldi
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posted August 15, 2003 04:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooohh i like puzzles. give me some clues and i'll see what i can do. dumariuer is a great festival btw....

whats aim?

Greg

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N_wEvil
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posted August 15, 2003 04:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aol Instant Messenger
www.aol.com

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anafaery
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posted August 15, 2003 04:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aims an instant messenger. you can download it at www.aim.com. its an aol product, but you dont have to have stinky aol to use it. its a decent messenger, ive been using it for years.

i would love your help with my puzzles, they will probably be interesting because the hints i have are very odd

wheeee! im in a mood today *sigh*

anyway if you get aim, my aim name is anafeary, like fear not faer. i screwed up my password for anafaery, lol.

i think i should take a rest... im getting tired and cranky, damn aries moon

~anafaery

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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anafaery
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posted August 15, 2003 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ack whoops, sorry andy didnt see your post

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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Lunargirl
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posted August 16, 2003 04:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice to be appreciated -- and by two Librans yet, in the same thread! Aren't I the lucky one!

Glad some of what I said may have helped. We can all use a little self-understanding. Although Greg, if you're reeeeeeeaally grateful, and if it ever inspires you, you can name songs after anafaery and me -- we could handle that, right, faery? <a VERY big wink, nudge to Greg, say no more, say No more!>

A shortcut to the UBB code can be found once you hit the Reply button -- click the Smilies legend link at left, and at the top of the next page you'll find a subsequent link that explains the UBB code for quoting. It's case-sensitive, BTW.

I hear you on the family thang. Often family are last in acceptance when a family member starts trying out a new dance-step -- it breaks up the old line-dancing family pattern, ya know!

I should be asleep now folks, bye the bye! But I will check out the website again soon and hopefully hear some of this music we're talking about!

cheers,
Lunargirl

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Lunargirl
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posted August 16, 2003 04:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS go on about your music all you like, one of my good friends is an electroacoustic composer, and not only did I sing in her experimental choir and do performance art with her, I did other singing, too, so improvise away. Although singers are sorta like drummers... yeah I've heard the jokes.

Lunargirl

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Lunargirl
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posted August 16, 2003 04:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I'm yawning my head off, but it occurred to me that Greg's 1st House (self, being like an Aries) Scorp Stellium opposes his 7th House (others, being like a Libra) Taurus Saturn. Maybe someone can comment on the see-saw action of this kind of opposition.

N_wEvil has a stellium, don't you wEvil (and he's a musician too)

yawwwwwwwwwwwwn,
Lunargirl

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anafaery
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posted August 16, 2003 05:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im sure we could handle that just fine, lunar

is that a good thing to be appreciated by two libras? apparently we are always trying to please, and want everyone to like us, and not always honest about it

you know its true though, i mean, that you are appreciated not that we lie, lol. you know i dont.

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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sthenri
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posted August 16, 2003 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is off topic right now, but I had to say that when I think of Scorpios, I am always confused by the description given by astrologers. I do not know any Scorpios that do not make my heart bleed, they are not natural born aggressors either. Sags are much more aggressive and tough. I feel manipulated sometimes by Scorpios but only if they are touching me in some way and I can't refuse to feel that emotion.

I think that Scorpios only ending up hurting those who can't be alone. Scorpios focus on emotional independence, and Sags physical independence.

But I have not way to defend myself from Sags as I grow older, we can always emotionally detach from someone if they draw away eventually. I have known so many more Scorpios who get their feelings hurt because they are misunderstood.

I find it hard to be angry at someone who is protective of their feelings and shows it. I find it hard to be scared once I have seen the truth, and the need to confuse.

So I just never agreed with that definition. Scorpios are sort of a blend of Libra, loving and sweet, and Sag, fiesty and independent. They are so used to being misunderstood they can give up trying. Sags and Libras scare me much more, especially in arguments because they I know I can end the argument with a kiss with a Scorpio, but the Libra or Sag will feel manipulated into losing the competition. To Scorpios being a good kisser seems more important than winning an argument which is a lot more confusing but predictable and so not scary.

Since it's predictable I prefer Scorpios as friends only because I know how much they need approval from their lover. I like to be the kisser not the kissee because I like to know what this means. I feel I understand Scorpios more than any other. I think the message is figure me out or not but let me confuse you into loving me. It's a never ending journey.

As for dangerous, they are the safest people around as long as you don't want to hurt them in your heart. Since I always have doubts I prefer Scorpio friends. I am happy with that and so are my Scorpio friends. They are the most faithful loving people, but more predictable than people think. Scorpios are not naturally self protective.

Those are my thoughts,

Natasha

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DayDreamer
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posted August 17, 2003 03:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just dont get some Scorpios. My cousin, for instance, drives me up the wall with her constant emotional and psychological problems. She CONSTANTLY HARASSES me for advice and help, BUT NO AMOUNT OF HELP COULD EVER SUFFICE. She ONLY thinks of herself, always feeling sorry for herself. She's caused me serious distress, so much so that i cannot talk to her without getting heart palpitations. And she always makes me feel guilty when i don't respond to her problems or even if i respond late. I feel like she manipulates me. Not sure of my cousin's birth time so I cant really assess her placements.

On the flip side, my best friend is a Scorpio. This girl completely has her head on straight, and we have SOOOOOO much in common.

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Lunargirl
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posted August 17, 2003 12:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that Scorp energy is often misunderstood. Thanks Natasha for touching on that point; you always have something interesting to add.

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Scorpios focus on emotional independence, and Sags physical independence.

I see what you mean, but in my experience, it's been that Scorps focus on emotional responsibility. For others and self. Their relationship needs are private and serious, and they expect you to treat them that way too. Their loyalty, once given, is absolute, no matter how they treat one, or respond to one's sensitivities (or not!). They are hardliners that way, but only under many layers of sensitivities that are hidden by a tough or seemingly unconcerned facade. I see Sags as needing an intellectual independence first, with the body following, but I know Natasha that we are basically talking about the same things, just our different expression.

Daydreamer, yours is a good example of how that Scorp energy can be evolved, or unevolved. The first example needs power over people; the second does not. I think that's why having two symbols for Scorpio is useful -- scorpion, and eagle. Personally, were it held to a vote, I would nominate Phoenix as the Scorp symbol!

faery, isn't is great to have no shame? I like myself best that way, and try for that always! And hey -- one of my dearest friends is a Libra, so I've had some practice at learning to take a compliment.

Lunargirl

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anafaery
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posted August 17, 2003 01:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thats one of the things i love about this aries moon lunar some people dont understand how one can say things that most keep inside, like when i tell my friends how much i love them, stuff like that, but its just something i enjoy. if you love someone, or think they are smart, or admire one of their qualities, why not let them know?

i think some wonder what my motives are though, when its only to be honest and let people know i appreciate them. scorps are more dubious of my intentions

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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lioneye68
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posted August 17, 2003 01:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I'm with you on that, Ana. It never does any harm to pay a sincere compliment to someone. Many people feel vulnerable doing that, though. I'm not sure what the thought dynamics are behind that though. I guess they think, "well if she knew how great I really think she is, then she could use that to torment me...better just keep quiet and let her think she's not all that" or something insane like that. This could have been my Virgo ex's theme song. Loser. (not because he's a Virgo..I love Virgos.)

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sthenri
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posted August 17, 2003 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lunargirl yes you are right,
by emotional independence I think I mean maturity, they are so close in my mind.
I don't like the word responsibility so much because usually it has financial associations.
It's a fine point but important in my mind. Scorpios do like to manage (or give advice) other people's resources, financial and otherwise and that is still tricky for me. I love my Scorps but I can't share the power that way. That is my only problem with Scorps.

Natasha

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sthenri
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posted August 17, 2003 01:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioneye I know what you mean. Once you get it you get it.
Remembering a song,
"I'm not in your book of losers, oh no!"

Compliments are positive energy.

Natasha

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Lost Leo
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posted August 17, 2003 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*chimes in*

First... In all my expereinces w/ Scorps/Tauruses... they conflict... and have a difficult time achieving harmony... as friends/lovers/whatever... I guess the same could be said for Leo & Scorps/Tauruses... but I haven't found one Scorp that works well with a Taurus or a Taurus that actually likes a Scorp...?

One of my bestfriend's lady is a Taurus, and they are PUBLICLY RENOWNED for they perpetual fighting within their relationship... although I must say it's my homie's fault most of the time...

Scorpio men and their power complexes...talk about "totally possession" of their mate... borderlines on obsession...

In my experience with Scorps as Lovers and as Close Friends...
Once you have crossed the boundary into acceptance into their world... a large amount of dependence IS PUT ON YOU, as their friend, lover, whatever...

I'm constantly dealing with two of my Scorp's bestfriends' problems for them... of course I don't really give advice (they never listen) but I'm there to listen to them and support them NO MATTER WHAT, Scorps NEED that NO-MATTER-WHAT support... even when they have been evil. They need SOMEONE to hear their demons confessed and still stand by them... same with my lady Scorpion lovers... at least that's just my meandering experience

But on the other hand... I've met a couple Eagles... they seem quieter than Scorpions... more reserved...

I've chosen a (different) Scorp friend of mine to be my roommate for the next year, he very reserved and well-mannered and I haven't seen the tinyest shred of obsession in his dealings with his Cancer Moon Maiden... who is a close friend of mine.

And the Lady Eagle at my work... she has her sh*t together so tight she puts me to shame... I give her MAD props!!! I go to her more often then she comes to me...amazing!

I guess they come in all sorts of varieties...

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ally
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posted August 17, 2003 06:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is this about scorpios being possessive? I've always thought they were supposed to be pretty detached.

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sthenri
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posted August 18, 2003 01:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost Leo, I think it's my Cancer 8th house moon that helps me, but only a little. My Scorp friend really trusts me than anyone else so I am her best friend. It's been that way for so long I don't think it will change now. I am always cranky with my friends at some point or another, it's usually because one of us is tired or hungry. Luckily I notice that. (Scorps like to eat and drink just as much as Taureans)!

Scorps are quick to point out when they are in a cranky mood but that can be a relief because others can be so reluctant to express any emotions at all. It's like hello what do you really want? I don't have all day. She's blunt, and it saves time. She's a wicked smartass.

But fighting, yes Taurus does bicker, but so do Libras and Aries. I did know a Libra and Aries that were married for 50+ years and never left eachother's side. They were very happy. But then he was partially deaf too. The Libra liked to talk a lot. (The Aries-actually he just had his hearing aid turned down but she didn't know). So there you go, no relationship is perfect, but we can make do with happy imperfection.

Scorps are like that, not perfect but predictable imperfection. At least I know what to expect. I don't get too close to my Scop friend anyway because I usually end up doing more in the relationship it's true. But I can be a good friend without being too close.

Everything you said is so true Lost Leo. The trick is to put a boundary around yourself, as loving and good as you are, we all have separate lives. Scorps like boundaries, so do I, that seems to be the one thing we always have in common.

Natasha

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sthenri
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posted August 18, 2003 01:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost Leo and everyone, I think it's so important to remember those other placements besides the Sun. The reason my friend and I get along is because her Sun is in the 6th, same as me.
If you know a Scorp, look at the entire chart. (seriously) I get along better with Venus in Libra than Venus in Scorp normally, and this friend has Venus in Scorp, but it works because we have so many similar placements. That Venus placement makes a big difference in your life.

Natasha

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DayDreamer
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posted August 18, 2003 02:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lunargirl, i never heard of that, but it does explain alot!!

Haha Natasha, he turns down his hearing aids...how convenient...one of my sisters is that fortunate. My best friend has 4 planets in Sag, and 3 planets in Air, which are probably more compatible with my chart. My cousin has 4 planets in Scorpio (sun, mars, mercury all conjunct + uranus), and only 1 in air (pluto in libra) but i have no clue what houses her planets are in. I'm gonna have to investigate esp since I have an extremely hard time figuring her out.

LostLeo...i completely know what u mean by some Scorpions that never listen. Ive tried to help my cousin for years and always gave her a shoulder to cry on but she only seems to get worse each year, and just recently it got out of hand...she was asking me to do crazy things for her and began harassing a lot of people besides me to help her in her pursuits...she even threatened suicide a number of times...so I told her older sibs cuz i didnt know what else to do, and ever since ties between us have been cut off. I’ve tried calling her, but she always seems to be busy, her email accounts are full and visiting would be a 1500$ plane ride. Her sibs say that they’re keeping her busy. I hope she’s alright.

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anafaery
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posted August 18, 2003 06:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi lioneye (and everyone)

its so funny, it nothing to me to spurt out a compliment when i think its justified, i just like people to know how valued they are, because life is TOO SHORT. honestly though, it really makes some people uncomfortable! i guess i can understand why, but still. its like for example, if i tell a friend 'you know, i just have to let you know this, but i really love you! you are such a great person and im so glad we are friends!' it makes them uncomfortable. sometimes they misinterpret and think i said i'm IN love with you which is just silly, you can love people and not be *in* love with them, or other times they just feel bad cause it puts them on the spot and they think they have to return the sentiment but maybe they just dont feel that way. it honestly doesnt bother me, i dont give compliments to get something back, im quite independant that way (and i actually much rather prefer giving to recieving). i dont need or require anyone to laud my praises, im just happy enough if it makes them feel good to know they are appreciated. sure, once ever 5 years or so i might have a low point and need a friend to let me know im cared about, but its rare.

i just hope people can just accept my comments and know that absolutely nothing is expected in return, its just a gift for them with no ulterior motives at all.

btw i think you're pretty cool you knew that, but doesnt hurt to say it again

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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1scorp
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posted August 18, 2003 09:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<---- venus in scorpio.

I think the possessive thing gets a little twisted around. Actually... believe it or not... I'm just a little detached really.

I can't remember exactly what chapter it was in Linda Goodman's Love Signs. It said that a Scorpio will not lose themselves.

How can someone be so possessive about something or someone when we can just kill them off? Not literally!! Meaning, if we've had enough ... they just don't exist for us anymore.

We must really be intense to cause such confusion I don't see it as easy as the rest of you... I guess because I live it.

The possessive is actually me being protective. I'm very protective of myself and others that I care about. I don't want to see them hurt... unless... (knew there was going to be a catch) it's something that would benefit them as a learning experience.

The confessing our "dark deeds" ... well yeah. I mean, doesn't everyone have them? I may make comments on yours... yet, I really don't think any less of you. Unless... (again) it's causing emotional pain in someone else that didn't deserve it.

I don't understand why people try to hide... acting as if they're perfect. I "know" that isn't true. Who wants to be perfect? That sounds pretty boring to me.

My mom is a Taurus (cancer moon) it was always a battle of the wills Still can be at times. I live my life the way I choose. Her and I see many, many things differently. Still love her... she's my mom

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Lost Leo
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posted August 18, 2003 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So very true Natasha... I've been stung a couple times by not keeping boundaries in place... must always stay detached to a point... no matter how close THEY get to YOU... I still can't let myself try to get close to them...

I dunno if that made sense.. but read it again... maybe it will

Maybe it's the air predominance in your chart 1Scorp... that allows you to be detached...
Or maybe you're more confident in your relationships then my two buddies... they have insecurities... they don't think they can find another woman... or they fear being alone SO MUCH... that's why they over-compensate on the possession, or whatever... I dunno

I found the quote btw,
"To Scorpio, if "self" is lost, ALL is lost"
Totally would agree with that one... if they are in a relationship/situation/whatever where perhaps they don't feel they're being true to themselves... they have to break free of this injustice to their character...

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1scorp
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posted August 18, 2003 01:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could be the Libra... yet, 5 planets in scorpio ?? I mean... ya know what I'm saying

I don't need a relationship, and that's suppose to be very Libran to need one.

I get attached... yet, I'm never puddy in anyones hands.

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sthenri
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posted August 18, 2003 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost Leo, some people are raised that way, they are insecure and some aren't. I have noticed that if a person is insecure in childhood they don't grow up with a strong sense of self, of purpose, self determination, or ego.

I try to spend more time around those who are secure because my ego requires it. I get too down without it. If a person has a dream that is their own, I can feel it.

Natasha

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