posted August 18, 2003 02:21 PM              

I've been wondering about that lately...

I've been noticing a mission-in-life/perverse joy I receive, by breaking down the hotter-than-hell, gorgeous-yet-conceited, stuck-up, self-absorbed women in the world...

whew... that came out harsh...

But no one else breaks them down... so somebody has to do it...
Now that the tables have turned, I have the upper-hand and influence... and use it quite often to socially/mentally destroy the superficial, conceited, stuck-up, what-can-you-do-for-me women...

Been wondering lately if that relates to all the "ultra-cool super-hot" girls I liked thru gradeschool that didn't show me the time of day...

posted August 18, 2003 02:53 PM              

Leo: That's what I'm talking about. It's good to let that **** out sometimes

posted August 18, 2003 04:48 PM              

Relationships are meant to be challenging, there is always going to be a little distrust of the other's mindset. There has to be a balance, so that there is always some harmony and some challenge at the same time, it's never one or the other.

I think when my emotions are challenged if there isn't that basic harmony and trust underneath it's not a healthy relationship anymore. Same if it's too easy, it's too easy if at the exact moment I am talking to person and getting along I don't also feel a spark.

When we repress our emotions in a relationship they become more extreme and sometimes it's not always easy to feel forgiven for what you are about to say or do. There has to be that basic trust that you can forgive yourself, your friend and be forgiven for the expression of feeling, otherwise the feelings become repressed and then they become emotions that go from one end to the other. It's almost like a set of scales that can be tipped out of balance.

I like to think that a healthy relationship doesn't cause my emotions to tip from one end to the other, because then I know I am not allowing myself to express what I feel. For me I just can't allow that because I get too angry at myself for feeling negative. When I'm positive I can always express my feelings. When I feel I can't suddenly it becomes very negative and I never want to talk about it again.

I tell my friends to not get angry at themselves or me past one day, I prefer to hear the small stuff so it doesn't become a repressed emotion. I can't love anyone who allows a fight to continue past one day. Otherwise we will both be PO'd inside.

So you don't have to apologize, around friends you are always forgiven for expressing yourself. It doesn't hurt if you do it often enough.

As for challenging women, I think I went through this when I was younger. It's what you have to go through. Eventually you will know yourself better, but for now I would remember that it won't be forever, eventually what you need will change.

If a woman is a little challenging great, but if she is not challenging you right off the bat, you will just find things to aggravate you, to deal with. Everyone sees people differently Lost Leo, and these women may look completely different to someone else.

Best thing to do is ask a friend if this woman friend does anything for you when he or she sees you two together? Do you look happy, excited? Are you learning about yourself? An outside opinion is hard to ignore.
Eventually you will learn to love people because they love you for yourself, but that doesn't happen overnight even with a great mindset.

It takes years, especially if you are a caring person, everyone has to do the same, just remember to accept yourself. It's your life, don't forget that your opinion of YOU is important.

posted August 18, 2003 05:16 PM              

If it twas a "normal" lady... who I respect and admire... then this would never occur...

I'm simply acting as a vessel dealing out Karmic debt...

Plus, half my friends don't have any cajones around these type of women... they fall weak and become "slave-like"

I'm in a great state right now... just feel bad (guilty) for having this sadistic streak... needed to get that out...

(I just put one down last Friday, on her birthday coincidentally. I dropped her so hard she waited outside my friend's house for hours until he came home from work, just to tell him what I did)

Now she's trying to get my other homie... hmmm, trying to make me jealous? Well, you go girl!

posted August 19, 2003 02:26 AM              

Revenge is sort of like getting over on yourself because it's you who is wasting your time. Eventually you will see that. I think there is article I was reading the other day about revenge love. It's a whole phenomenon. As for Karmic debt, you can't really think you are not trying to change these women a little tiny bit? Even if you do, you are just teaching yourself unhealthy relationships are okay and they go on to do more of the same. Trust me when I say you that girl will go back to the way she was, it's not changing anything.

You are doing it for yourself but that's because we all need love, but make sure you are getting it from friends before you get into the give and take otherwise you may find yourself on the short end of the stick one day.

Don't let pride let you think you can handle anything, make sure you protect yourself with your self respect, think of self respect as armor. If this girl doesn't have it you don't have to test it, otherwise she may lash out. Keep your self respect intact. It takes work to keep it in place.

I like to think of self respect as a sort of invisible guardian angel, the more you have, and the more you stay away from those who don't have it, the better your life goes. Pride tells you to go ahead, self respect tells you, hey I know better.

But again, you will get there eventually, it's tough if you are in the dating world, but there are always options. For every woman like you described, there are 10 pretty nice women who you can be friends too. Once you put your energy into making someone your friend, it's hard to go back to being someone elses friend especially a woman. Think of reaching into a cookie jar and not getting the cookie, time and time again. Eventually you get used to the reaching and never getting. It's an empty feeling that you get slowly used to.

It's just a matter of time and energy, it's so much more fun to be around someone who is positive.
If you meet another woman like that, why not instead of dating her, just tell her outright you do not date women who have no self respect? That will be sure to get to her and make her think. Or suggest she gets a pet for a while and move up to people, then get away and stay away.

We don't have to like people, but we don't have to teach them lessons either, unless you are a teacher. There's a little self absorbed person in all of us-Forgive us and yourself for being imperfect. Lost Leo, what you are doing is sort of punishment, are you punishing yourself?
(Pisces Moon)

posted August 19, 2003 03:38 AM              

I mean, it sounds Scorpionic in style, methodology, and especially enjoyment of that power and effect -- what _do_ you have simmering in your 8th House? ---- you are busting these womens' arrogance -- but it also sounds very Leonine in a totally different way...

...who better to recognize the pride and drama, especially if it's exaggerated, and be able to put it in its proper place? Most Leos I know like drama, but if the line from scene to extreme is crossed, they're among the first to bust the person.

So Scorp energy and deeds... hmmmmm.

posted August 19, 2003 09:21 AM              

The guilt came back in the end.
Funny but reminds me of another piscean moon I know who sorts her Christmas card list like this.
"This person gets a Christmas Card", This person DOES NOT". I always listen in case I am on the "bad" list. I think we all want to be on the good list, and try to compete with how much meaner we can be. It's gets funny when we try to wrong perceived injustices to ourselves.

It's so much easier to hand out justice in someone else's world than our own.

Pisces is the sign of personas, you will find it easy to put on and take off different masks. As your reputation grows you will have to learn how to manage all these different masks and not lose yourself in another person's identity.
We are combination of ourselves and the people around us with the values we admire.

Yes that Pisces moon is really complex, it's not a weak spot Lost Leo. Look at Martin Luther King, who had trouble with women, one hand he was a leader, and the other a womanizer. He obviously was trying to make up for his "soft image" by being as macho as possible. There is the power of a persona there, you already know it's a lot of responsibility.

I like to try and keep the lid on anything that could make me sound bad just because it always comes back on me. Plus I find that that the more I hang around values I don't want, the more I pick them up by watching.

Aim High Lost Leo, there are lots of injustices out there you can fight. I have a Leo/Pisces Moon friend who has turned her life into a fight for disadvantaged children. It's a good thing too because she was very concerned about social injustice most of the time.

posted August 19, 2003 01:06 PM              

I don't really remember why he said we analysis the wrongness of people...

But the "Analyzing the wrongness" was such a perfect description of how we analyze injustice and human nature... and I think we do it to get at the heart of people's character, to see if they're basically good... or bad...

(or I'm a Leo that's a gossip)

I dunno I guess I'm just a little too deep today...

posted August 20, 2003 12:07 AM              

It's over in Health and Healing, and called "Signs of Spiritual Awakening": http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000456.html

posted August 20, 2003 09:27 PM              

I know a Leo woman, Scorpio man couple who are happily? married, the marriage was the result of the Leo pursuing the Scorpio for ten long years in order to get a commitment. I am not judging but I think the Leo wanted to be pursued. It's strange to me because just about everyone in the state was pursuing her except for him.

That must be the nature of a challenge. I can't tell if it's happy because Leos and Scorpios are so discreet about their real feelings that even if it wasn't working out, the Leo would never admit it. I somehow do not believe it is working when I do not see open flirting with couples.

I do think that there is a lot to be said for a harmonious partnership too, it's just as sexy. I have no regrets. It's like another level of catch and chase.

I do not know if Scorpios are into a challenge or not. They are challenging to know, but romantically I could never get the chase part.

Take Care Natasha

posted August 21, 2003 01:07 PM              

Thanks so much for that link. I was shocked at how many of those things resonate with me. Kinda cool....

BTW my website is getting closer to being all updated and some of the music is working now too.

hope you are well