posted August 10, 2003 10:03 PM              

I’ve been reading the various posts here for the last month or so and thought I’d finally post something. I enjoy all the interesting discussions.

I am somewhat new to astrology and have a few questions/observations about my chart. I guess I’m really writing because I want to know if anyone else with similar placements has the same experience. I’m Libra sun/scoprio moon/scorpio rising.

As I’ve begun learning more about it, I find that my scorpio moon keeps popping up in the strangest places. I think it’s quite powerful in my chart. I like my moon placement, although it can be difficult at times. My intuition seems to have really kicked in; I’ve always been that way but for some reason it seems much stronger recently. I sometimes feel that I can be so powerful and intense that its too much for people to bear, but I never let that happen because I don’t want to smother/hurt/offend etc. (maybe my libra sun and the need for balance).

I also feel that as I get older, the more rebellious I am. I know rebelliousness is part of a scorpio moon but it really never manifest itself with me while I was younger. Why is it happening as I get older? Perhaps those of you more knowledgeable than I could shed some light…

How do the rising sign and moon sign work together? Does one magnify the other? Is it all tempered by the Sun sign?

I guess what I’m really after is trying to figure out all the Scorpio energy in my chart. I have moon, rising, venus, jupiter and Neptune all in Scorpio, and the scorpio energy seems to have kicked in recently. I don’t know too much about transits but I wonder what’s up. Can anyone help?

If your interested my stats are October 4, 1970, Manhasset, NY 9:53am

Thanks for reading. I look forward to any comments/insights etc.

posted August 11, 2003 12:16 AM              

Well, the Scorpio moon energy is powerful I agree. I have an 8th house Cancer Moon and relate better to the Scorp descriptions. Lately I have been really rebellious. All through my teenage years I was super industrious but the past 3-4 years have seen a lot of shakeups.

A Scorpio friend of mine has made major life changes in the past 3 years. There is something different about Scorpios and Scorpio moons, my Grandmother didn't hit her stride until her 50's. Lately I have even been fiesty.

I do not think Scorp moons are so much smothering as intense. That intensity comes from fear, fear of the power that you have to make changes in your environment and in others. You pick up emotions from others easily so you could be picking up their fear, or anxiety and want to help by expressing yourself. I find expressing myself to the world through painting is a good way to burn off steam and help others to understand my feelings. I am more visual than verbal.

I think that Scorpio moons find it a challenge to express their feelings openly, and so that is why when you finally do express what you think and feel, you are intense and passionate. I like to visualize the moon as the heart.

Does that make sense to you?

posted August 11, 2003 12:55 AM              

I too have the Moon in Scorpio, and I understand your feelings. There are 2 threads on page 7 of this forum, titled "Calling All Lunar Scorpios" (pts. 1 and 2) that are brimming with exchanges between people with this Moon position as well as others who are curious about Scorpio in general. It's a lot of reading, but I think you may find it helpful as well as reassuring.

I'll try and post the links, but if it doesn't work, just go to page 7 and scroll. Happy reading!

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000767.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000915.html

posted August 11, 2003 02:13 AM              

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I also feel that as I get older, the more rebellious I am. I know rebelliousness is part of a scorpio moon but it really never manifest itself with me while I was younger. Why is it happening as I get older?

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Well, while I can see how with that much Scorp, rebellion might be strong (and I defer to the experiences of the people who also have that placement -- I'm an Aries with a CancerMoon), it is also possible that your _growing_ rebellion might be due to your coming into a fuller strength of your LibraSun. I know many Librans, and they do not turn a blind eye to offenses, as a Scorp may seem to do. A Scorp may just pick up on something intuitively, decide the person is not worth the conflict, and exercise silent private judgement, or store the incident. Librans, however, get in there and set it right. They may oppose you sweetly, reasonably, or passionately, but they do not let crap go by. Some of the biggest, most personable and verbal rebels I have encountered have been Librans. All credit to them, BTW!

I have often heard that one's Sun sign is what we are here to grow into, in our current life.

But it could well be a transit, too! Unpredictable, rebellious Uranus, and feisty, aggressive Mars have recently entered Pisces (water sign), and Saturn has entered Cancer (another water sign). It's possible that one of some of these are affecting some of your Scorp placements by angle, stimulating the usually fixed Scorp energy to be much more agitated, and yep, rebellious than usual. Scorp doesn't usually seek out conflicts -- conflicts 'seem' to come to them, but these transits could almost reverse that trend.

If a rising sign functions as one's facade, the filter through which other people view us, and how we appear to others, then the Moon represents the subconscious emotions in action -- the Inner Child, our emotional nature and reactions. How they work together depends on their positions in your chart, and what, if any, aspects (angles) they make to each other. Sometimes they are very independent of each other, sometimes very entwined. I think you might find the Free Astrology Course very interesting -- yuo can email Randall to request entry. Cat and Lanny and many other excellent astrologers at Lindaland have written up great descriptions.

I once swam at Manhasset Beach, and it was great!

posted August 11, 2003 03:23 AM              

Natasha – Your comment “That intensity comes from fear, fear of the power that you have to make changes in your environment and in others” is so right on. I definitely feel afraid of that power. I seem to know instantly whats needed in a given situation and I think my fear holds me back as well as my Libran need for balance.

Picking up other peoples emotions makes a lot of sense. I pick up on feelings so easily I don’t even know I’m doing it. And that in turn somehow internalizes itself in me. I am a musician so I know that helps blow off steam, and I think its important for me to find other ways to blow off steam because my Libran detachment can be strong if I let it.

Thanks so much for your insight, Natasha. And Seattle is good thanks J

Twin Lady – Thanks for the links. I’ve read a little of them so far and its nice to know I’m not alone!!

NikiSpeedy – Sex is always on my brain but that’s a whole other thread!!!

Lunargirl – I think your comments on libra are really interesting. They help me understand how the libra/scorpio work together in some ways. Injustice infuriates me and its definitely getting stronger the older I get. I think I’m beginning to understand that the intuition of the Scorpio moon helps me understand a situation and the deep need for harmony of Libra makes me rebel until I see it right. My only problem is I see it everywhere and at times I just want it all to stop. Does that make sense?

I’ll e-mail Randall about the free astrology course. It sounds really interesting.

Thanks again to you all. I’m so happy I found this website…

posted August 12, 2003 03:16 AM              

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I think your comments on libra are really interesting. They help me understand how the libra/scorpio work together in some ways. Injustice infuriates me and its definitely getting stronger the older I get. I think I’m beginning to understand that the intuition of the Scorpio moon helps me understand a situation and the deep need for harmony of Libra makes me rebel until I see it right.

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Thank you!

Libra's 'quality' is 'cardinal', which means that Libra initiates, instigates, suggests, innovates, and so on. I'm sure it's a challenge to have so many 'fixed' planets and placements in Scorpio whose quality puts the brakes on when your Sun/ego wants to get going! But as a Libra, no doubt you handle it gracefully, although sometimes you may appear to smoulder! I've got a lot of cardinal energy myself, so I don't have the same amount of brakes, and maybe it would be better if I did sometimes!

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My only problem is I see it everywhere and at times I just want it all to stop. Does that make sense?

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Sure -- I feel the same way every time I watch the news -- but in astrological terms, in your own case, no doubt that's the kernel of the Libra/Scorp blend. How does this fit your situation?

Scorp - power urges
Libra - justice urges
Scorp - intuitive knowledge, emotional expression
Libra - evaluating knowledge, intellectual expression

Libra and Scorpio are not so very different in their goals as one would think, given their common link to justice -- Libra equalizes, whereas Scorpio equalizes by making a person feel the same way they made them feel, good or bad.

I'll tell you a secret about becoming more intense, however -- you may just be claiming more parts of yourself, becoming whole and powerful, and some others may not be comfortable with your Light, or complain about its style. If you were a ScorpSun, perhaps you might sublimate your power, but Libra was born to lead, and as a Sun, it's telling you to get out there if you have not already done so. Be true to your whole self and you will meet a whole new group of equally intense people who accept who you are!

posted August 13, 2003 12:43 AM              

Scorp - power urges
Libra - justice urges
Scorp - intuitive knowledge, emotional expression
Libra - evaluating knowledge, intellectual expression

Bingo! Its all there I just have to figure out how to get the ball rolling. I find once I get past that step (starting something) things really start rolling. It reminds me of a quote by Goethe...

“Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it”

posted August 13, 2003 01:16 AM              

i am a libra sun as well, i have sag rising and aries moon. im a bit different from you in that respect, but i do have a strong scorpionic influence through mutual receptions and angles etc in my chart. i only have neptune in scorp, but its position etc is far more powerful in my chart than the average glance would suggest. ive had a lot of info from various astrologers about my predicament, i always wondered why someone like me would have so many 'water' qualities when i had barely any water. only the outer neptune, and my node (pisces) and the pars fortuna (cancer), the pars is not really relevant in this case, in any event. anyway, i wont go into detail about my chart, this is about *you*. i just wanted to tell you that i understand.

the whole intuition thing, do you find that you get an intuitive feeling, then your libra self weighs its validity over and over? i have that problem, at least i did more in the past. i have learned through MUCH trial and error that my intuition is to be trusted. most of the time i dont speak of it very much, i just use it to help me understand things, situations, people. it used to be that i would get an intuitive feeling about a person, and my libra self would 'talk' myself out of it, remaining optimistic and pooh poohing myself out of the intuition because i didnt want to unjustly... judge someone. do you find this too? i use those gifts now, in an internal way, it helps to keep me safe. as i grow older the intuitive feelings are stronger, and i have built a sort of 'psychic' (hate that term) wall around myself, to keep myself safe. i had to. my openness and equal treatment of people was not a safe way to be. i am more discerning now.

i also understand what you say about personal 'power', intensity. i can and have been VERY intense, and i had to sort of pull the reins back on that aspect of my personality. the aries moon makes it hard, because my emotions are sooo close to the surface, and my saggy asc only gives that strength. i have to take a deep breath. i use my libra core, i weigh things back and forth till i calm down a little. i am one *passionate* girl... ive downplayed it a lot in recent years. many people have commented, rather adversely, about that factor of my personality. im 'too much to handle', my emotions are so intense that they just 'overwhelm' people... etc, and more. i have wanted to find an outlet for that passion, in a way that it doesnt bother anyone. all i can think of is visual arts or singing, as even my writing can pack a punch. *shrugs* i dunno. i just feel really out of place in the world, and its a shame that i have to 'conform' to be of any use to anyone, but i guess theres a time and a place. its good you have music to channel that energy. at some point soon i am going to get back into painting/music. perhaps poetry, but even that is a little too intense for most.

uh whoops, sorry, i was rambling hope something in this post was useful to you. i just kinda... went free association there for a minute

take care!

~smoulderingfaery

ps lunar, you are soooo good at understanding libras! i LOVE you for it!! you just rock

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posted August 13, 2003 03:43 AM              

Free association is way cool…….

the whole intuition thing, do you find that you get an intuitive feeling, then your libra self weighs its validity over and over?

Yes. Yes and Yes. The intuition comes and I ponder it; how someone came to a particular point in their life, or made a particular decision, etc. It comes so easily to me and much more so in the last month or so. The other day I was at my job (I work in a hospital part time) and passed a family in the hallway discussing a medical decision for a loved one. I heard and watched them for maybe 30 seconds. I knew instantly the dynamics of the situation and who wanted to go which direction and why. Now, I realize I may or may not have been correct but that’s not what was important. It was the power of the “wave” (I don’t know how to describe it) that hit me. Does that happen to you?

I can see the difficulty of the Libra/Aires thing. Your emotions are right there and so want to express themselves but Libra despises that. Is that what you’re talking about?

“i have wanted to find an outlet for that passion, in a way that it doesn’t bother anyone”

This is so libra…. Don’t rock the boat…… please

I think we libras are a bit tricky to understand. That’s why we (I) feel no one gets us (me) what do you think?

Greg

posted August 13, 2003 04:41 AM              

yea, that good ole libra weighing. i get those types of intuitive feelings too, like what you described. i dont like to use the term 'psychic' as to me it invokes all these images of faker psychics telling people stuff they wanna hear to bleed them dry. the hotlines and stuff, y'know? i try to use the term 'intuition' whenever i can. but, by the legal definition i suppose i am what could be called psychic. i can tell in an instant what someones motives are (not everyones though, but most), their feelings, if i pass them in the street or spend any time with them. ive learned to just deal with them.

i used to point them out years ago to people, like i would meet someone and pick up on this vibe, and it would come out of nowhere. id talk about it, because thats how i dealt with things i didnt understand. back then i was quite innocent and used to get advice from others (now i mostly keep my own counsel for certain reasons). anyway id say to someone 'that person doesnt like me' for example, and the person i would tell just thought i was crazy. theyd say 'how can you think that? you are just really insecure' or whatever they would say. then later it would turn out that i was dead on. it was really hard to deal with, until i gained enough maturity to deal with it *myself* and not involve others who didnt, couldnt understand... or who were in denial of such a thing being real.

i still try to make sure that what im feeling really is 'real'. i will ever be the skeptic. its in my nature. i am terrified of making a mistake based on thinking something is 'intuition' when in fact its actually a subconscious feeling wholly my own. you know? that does pass with time though, but its still a consideration i have to make.

about the libra weighing though, as ive gone off on tangent again, i still do it but not as much at ALL. i used to get an intuitive response to someone, then spend so much time weighing its validity, if it was just me being silly and thinking ridiculous thoughts, or if it was intuition. back and forth weighing weighing weighing. i mean, i dont just blindly believe in 'psychic' powers, or new age stuff, or even astrology without testing it thoroughly. thats just me, its my sag rising. plus that i have a libra stellium in the 9th. after long enough, i accepted this intuition as what it is, nothing more, but nothing less. so, i do weigh it less now, but am more neutral towards the 'info' i 'receive'. i just add it to my collection of benign observations most times. i do use it as a guide though, if i get a bad 'vibe' off someone, i wont involve myself with them beyond what is necessary. it keeps me safe, and i could have avoided a lot of pain had i accepted it long ago. i suppose i needed the lessons though. i graciously accept them. i move on.

it does help me though too in other ways. i had a friend once who was very dear to me. we had a falling out a couple of years ago, and stopped talking. recently i sought him out, and said my apologies, and how i felt. i used my intuition to gauge how he might take my offerings and the wish to renew the friendship. its not steered me wrong yet. he is very hard to read with his words, but i feel confident that i know whats going on with him inside, what his words cant express. it helps me in my approach to him, helps me know when to back off and let him have his space. helps me know when i need to say certain things. does that make sense? if i didnt have this ability it would be very bad as its impossible to judge what hes feeling by his words. hes hiding a lot, and i know why. hmm... hate to sound so enigmatic, but i dont want to say too much for his sake of privacy. he doesnt come here, but this is hardly private. in the end i have an intuitive feeling that i am to help him in certain ways. we both suffered due to the circumstances in which we parted ways. mostly due to our supposed 'friends' at the time. i am happy to have his friendship back, and if i can help him heal, so much the better. i owe him that much.

i am going to quote you so i can respond in a more orderly fashion. ive rambled enough

good thing you dont mind free association

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I can see the difficulty of the Libra/Aires thing. Your emotions are right there and so want to express themselves but Libra despises that. Is that what you’re talking about?

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libra is so refined, and the sheer power of some of my emotions tends to tip the scales a bit. i am at my best when i am calm and can state my needs/emotions in a factual manner, rather than an emotional downpour. sometimes though, i hold it in, and my aries moon just cant do it anymore, and it comes out in a very passionate flood, if i dont have a different outlet. i then feel bad about rocking the boat.

i also have a grand earth trine so i do draw on that, and with age and having gone past my 1st saturn return (im 33) i do have the gift of saturn in taurus, which is a general calmness. my emotional responses dont get me into as much trouble in this sector of my life. the thing with emotions with an aries moon, is that we do feel things in a lightning strike flash, but often they are initial primal responses and they would do better to be pondered a bit (what more perfect way than with libra abilities) before reaching a conclusion. i guess in some ways i am lucky to have a moon opposed (by sign) sun.

yes, libra is very much dont rock the boat lol. i dont concern myself with that so much, i finally got the message of one graced with an aries moon, and that message is to get my self esteem from my *self* and not depend on others for it. i still dont like to make waves, and i will be honest, but there is a way to be honest with grace and tact rather than being cruelly blunt. i wish to hurt no one in this life. i cant prevent it all the time, as i have no control over what others think of me, but what i can control is how i treat others. that said, i no longer bend over backwards to please the world, although i did when i was young and insecure and wanting of love. i wont bend who i am and what i feel to get approval. if someone doesnt like me, what i say, what i believe... its really ok with me. i am only human though... sometimes i struggle.

i agree wholeheartedly about librans being hard to understand. i have for some time promised to compose a post, a treatise on the subject of libras. we are the only sign in the whole wheel that is signified by an inanimate object. i often dont feel understood. i dont blame people for it, id probably find myself hard to understand if i werent libra. who knows? i do think that we are the most underrated of signs insofar as people who 'get' us. even scorpios are fairly well understood, with all their enigmatic proclivities.

one day ill write that post i had planned. some things came up, notably this recent mars Rx period. perhaps you could write one, or help me? there are a few libras here, and the recurring theme seems to suggest that many of us feel a bit different. we should all explain what it means to *us*, to be libra.

if its any consolation, i believe i 'get' you, to some extent. i believe you probably 'get' me too, to the same extent or better. its so great to be understood. its a very rare thing, at least in my life.

take care

~abstractifaery

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posted August 13, 2003 05:43 AM              

we share the same sun saturn uranus neptune pluto node and chiron, which of course is logical seeing as how we are only a year apart. my moon is in aries as you know, merc in libra, venus is in virgo, mars in cap, and jupiter in libra.

i can see some interesting things looking at your chart. i wont go into detail here but if you are ever interested, lemme know. out of respect for your strong scorpio influence i wont delve into you in public. not that i see bad things lol. i just am careful with scorpios, and indeed any sign if they havent already okayed public information, if that makes sense.

i can say that i can see some healing ability there. ill discuss it further if you wish. if you wanna know what else i see, lemme know. you can email too, doesnt have to be out in public.

now i have to go see about a couple of other people i helped. i think im shaking off the mars Rx that was impeding me before. *realizes that sentence wont make sense to most, but its ok*

~absentmindedprofessorfaery

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posted August 13, 2003 03:03 PM              

This what I’m feeling is real thing is interesting. For me, I have to be really conscious of being in the present moment because I have a super strong ability to detach and not really give my feelings a chance. Know what I mean? My guess is that for you, you don’t have as much a problem with the detachment because your aires emotions will not be denied. Is that right? My knowledge of astrology is really only beginning so I’m never sure I’m right about particular influences. I’m not sure if my detachment is Libra or scorpio moon, I have a feeling it’s a mixture of both.

You wrote “i used my intuition to gauge how he might take my offerings and the wish to renew the friendship. its not steered me wrong yet. he is very hard to read with his words, but i feel confident that i know whats going on with him inside, what his words cant express. it helps me in my approach to him, helps me know when to back off and let him have his space. helps me know when i need to say certain things. does that make sense?”

This completely makes sense. They say that the actual words we speak are only 7% of the information we take in understanding someone. I sometimes don’t even need to hear whats being said, and can tell solely from body language, tone of voice, etc. I think that’s really where my intuition lies, in being able to read those types of signs more than what words are actually spoken. Does that make sense?

I can’t blindly follow something with out giving it some critical thought. But I think that’s the power of intuition. It gives me information to make a better decision.

I made an art of pleasing people when I was younger. It was easy for me because I knew exactly what they wanted, whether they told me or not. Now I don’t care so much about pleasing people. I’m not as worried how my actions are perceived. I think I learned this in the midst of my Saturn return. It seemed a hard lesson at the time but now I’m grateful for it. Not being worried so much about what others think allows me to claim more of my power. I think the scorpio moon has started to rear its head a bit more so to speak because in some circles I’m seen as an instigator or even radical. Is that a scorpio moonish type of thing? That said, you’re right, we are only human…. we all struggle.

What its like to be a libra is a great idea for a thread, though my knowledge of astrology is in its infancy I would be happy to make observations. I’m never one not to share an opinion

Being understood is rare in my life as well. And I think I get you too. As Libras I think we have the tools to deal with it. Which is some consolation, but that doesn’t make it easy…

You wrote” i can see some interesting things looking at your chart. i wont go into detail here but if you are ever interested, lemme know. out of respect for your strong scorpio influence i wont delve into you in public. not that i see bad things lol. i just am careful with scorpios, and indeed any sign if they havent already okayed public information, if that makes sense. “

I know what you mean, that scorpio secretiveness…. But DO TELL!!!! Im sooo curious. E-mail would be great my e-mail is greg@gregsinibaldi.com

Peace to you anafaery….

posted August 13, 2003 11:59 PM              

im gonna come back to this thread after i have a think about it, and take care of some pc maintenance. just wanted to mark it so it didnt go down too far.

ill be back later

~cleaninghousefaery

ps- i will have to have a good think about it, i got sidetracked so it will probably be tonight that i respond. not that its groundbreaking or anything, or even important. i just dont like to keep people in anticipation. er, if that makes sense.

~politefaery

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posted August 14, 2003 04:01 PM              

Thanks so much for time and thought, I really appreciate it. Hope you are well.

posted August 14, 2003 10:02 PM              

ill probably be back tonight, and will try to email you tonight as well. you have a nice chart btw, im happy to know you. anything i have to say about it wont be in depth as i kind of owe a couple of people some chart help, but offhand i saw some interesting things so ill try to write them up tonight.

anyway, whee! i cant wait for night to fall and the world to slow down so i have my peace and solitude to concentrate.

ill see you later

~faaaaaery!

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posted August 15, 2003 12:09 AM              

OK, let's hope I'm not going too technical for you... just say whoa, if so!

Here's another ingredient for your astro-pot: you have a Venus/Moon/Neptune stellium in Scorp, 1st House, very close to the Ascendant (a stellium is when three or more planets or lights form a tight group that affect each other). The close Moon/Neptune aspect would further contribute to a capacity to _detach_. As you probably know, Neptune is a 'higher" vibration of Venus -- relating to the arts, mysticism, escapism, music. So the Moon, which is the ultimate repository of personal emotions and emotional reactions (and being in Scorp, intuition), is also linked up with the most detached, dreamy planet of all. It would make an ability to detach from an emotion quite a natural function -- the emotion wouldn't go away, just be stored somewhere else, or esle co-exist side by side -- you feel, but also see how you feel at the same time. Or a way to easily transform your emotions and intuitions into dreams, if that makes sense.

Also -- only because I once knew someone with Neptune in the 1st house -- when it's close to the Ascendant like that, it lends a quality of glamour or romance to the individual's image -- people look into your face and they see their own dreams reflected back, and I bet you've had your share of people enamored of you, for reasons sometimes quite puzzling to you! A kind of Piscean glamour, mixed with a little of that er, smouldering Scorpiness... ... while your Libra occasionally wonders (afterward ) where the conversation went...

Further... now that I see that stellium in your 1st House, and as ana points out, this is your chart after your Saturn Return, your newer ability to "detach" and not worry so much about pleasing others becomes clear, plus the increased intuition and restlessness. You, my friend, are the proud possessor of a heavily-tenanted 1st House, which makes you something of an honourary Aries (the Lunargirl high-five-with-fellow-Rams-reflex is activated -- it's already silently whapped ana's Moon! ). It means that you often act like a Ram in some ways -- rebellious, ambitious, quick. Since your stellium is in opposition to your Saturn in your 7th House (forming an axis across your chart), until your Saturn Return, ol' Daddy Saturn restricted your Arien-like impulses. That, plus your LibraSun, kept you from speaking or acting on what you intuitively knew. Now all the strong Scorp power and intuition is freeeeeeee!! And I'm sure part of you exults in it, while your Libran self worries just a little. That's as it should be -- we all need inner checks and balances.

So when you look at your own chart, do also read about Aries and 1st House -- because you now have much more access to a freer self-expression than you likely did before, and these will help explain you to yourself.

Penultimately... (are you reeling yet? ) I have read that karmically, Aries and Libra have reincarnated largely to work on balancing relationships. It seems that you have chosen to be Libra, thus working as part of groups, yet with this big 1st House/Aries-like influence, you have also been given a way to balance that by using your Scorp power and intuition to pursue goals in an Aries-like way -- pioneer, leader, initiator. To my mind, it's a great balance.

Finally (yes! I reach the end!), nice web site!!!!!

posted August 15, 2003 12:21 AM              

his chart is lovely, isnt it?

haha i feel like such an idiot talking about you as if you were not here greg, im sorry

as i said ill be back later, gonna chill in front of the tv for a little bit, i need to relax and have some noncomputer time. ill be back in a couple of hours or so.

website? *goes and looks with perked up ears*

take care you guys

~relaxyfaery

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and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

posted August 15, 2003 12:24 AM              

i was disappointed to see that i couldnt find any of your music im anxious to hear!

ok, RELAXING NOW

~ faery

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posted August 15, 2003 11:25 AM              

the difference with you and me is yea, my emotions are more immediate, whereas yours are deep, like still water, you know? i can see how a scorp moon could detach from their feelings, especially with a libra sun. i can detach to some extent, but its hard work. as you said, they just wont be denied. i struggle with myself at times, but overall i think the aries moon is more of a blessing than a curse. but then, im an optimistic libra, no?

do you know of radiohead? i found it interesting that thom yorke (who writes the lyrics) is also a libra with aries moon. boy does that make sense to me. thats how he deals with it, through writing and composing. his emotions wont be denied either, and he does struggle at times like i do, in my opinion. having read most of his lyrics and a few interviews etc.

the detachment probably comes from your libra self, although like i said up there, your scorp self is very secretive about your own feelings, although they *do* run very deep. specially with moon (planet of emotions) being in scorp. so in a sense it is detaching by virtue of not giving any hint of what lies beneath the surface.

it does make sense what you said about words being 7% of the info we give. how like two libras to constantly ask if the other makes sense ah, i love it. i think that a lot of my intuition lies in that realm too, however i can and do pick up strongly on pure feelings, even contained within typed words on a page. such as with the internet. i dont think its quite as strong or easy to interpret, but i know its there. its not conjecture on my part, that much i know. hence appears the concept of 'psychic' abilities. but then, perhaps im just good at reading between the lines. how can i know for sure?

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I can’t blindly follow something with out giving it some critical thought. But I think that’s the power of intuition. It gives me information to make a better decision.

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i could not have said that better, nor agree more emphatically. that is so much like me its not funny, lol! yes, my 'scorpionic' influence is strong. even with only one planet in there, and a generational one to boot. my neptune is in scorp, which rules my 11th house. my neptune is square venus, semisquare jupiter, trine pisces (but thats generational anyway), and trine chiron. the ruler of the house, pluto, is conj sun, square mars, conj uranus, square ascendant, opposed chiron. that may be a bit of gibberish to you (it almost is to me ) but it goes to show the *heavy* 12th house/ water/ scorpio influences in my chart. they just arent obvious. the 12th house, the water planets, they affect almost everything in my chart.

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I made an art of pleasing people when I was younger. It was easy for me because I knew exactly what they wanted, whether they told me or not. Now I don’t care so much about pleasing people. I’m not as worried how my actions are perceived. I think I learned this in the midst of my Saturn return. It seemed a hard lesson at the time but now I’m grateful for it. Not being worried so much about what others think allows me to claim more of my power.

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ohhh i so relate. thats so libra, to please people. with the added punch of knowing what people really needed too... im glad you dont care so much about it anymore. i am very cautious about my words, as i dont want to hurt anyone or give a wrong impression but i no longer care that much whether people like me or not. i dont judge myself according to other peoples standards, cause i cant trust their motives. i just try to be as good a person as i can be, without being a martyr. that was something that my saturn return helped me learn, albeit in a very hard way. honestly though, it was necessary. i dont even *want* the whole world to 'like' me, as i would feel a tremendous amount of pressure, if that makes sense. im just blabbering now, lol. i do have more than my share (although i dont mind more!) of loving, wonderful friends so i must be doing something right anyway. a friend that *truly* understands you and loves you despite your faults is a holy thing, in my opinion. i adore my friends, and being that scorp rules my 11th house of friends, my friendship 'ties' with people are usually very deep.

server is angry with me so i have to post this in two parts.

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posted August 15, 2003 11:26 AM              

its funny what you say about a rebel attitude, instigator, radical... i used to be very much that way when i was growing up. i was heavily into the 1980's punk scene, lol. theres a pic in the LL msn group of me with black liberty spikes, haha! but i dunno... my rebellions are quieter and more internal now. the attitude is still there, theres just less sound and fury. i think a lot of that is because i am more cohesive of a personality than i once was, and i no longer need to challenge others to help define who i am. i am quite secure in who i am and what i 'stand' for. i also know that most of the time nothing i say will change someones opinion, especially on political issues. im not saying thats what your case is, its quite different. thats my own experience though. our moons are *quite* different after all. so are our risings, and a couple of others. the first house rules ones identity, if im not mistaken from braindeadness, and our first houses are very different.

phew. im sadly not at my best today for some reason. i will email you soon, i have emailaphobia right now, i dont know why i *will* do it soon. im just reticent to open my email as i owe like, 6 to people that i havent responded to for a couple of weeks. i feel guilty cant avoid it though, so i better just do it, and you're on that list.

anyway talk to you soon! hope any of that made sense. i spose i could have just said 'i concur' and left it at that, but then i wouldnt be me if i did something easy

~soooooodamnfaery

oh ps i had some questions about your music. i do like some jazz but i know *nothing* about it. i dont know the kind you speak of, multitonal? i do know of fusion, that real chaotic stuff, and my venus in virgo sensibilities just dont enjoy it too much. i asked a friend and he said that they were different though. just curious i am currently listening to madlib- shades of blue, do you know of it? i really like it.

bleah enough babbling faery, sheesh *chastises self*

have a great day

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posted August 15, 2003 02:24 PM              

You two are just plain bitchin!!! I’m so grateful that you take the time to share your insights. I feel so lucky…..

“wow, did you ever come into this life with a purpose!! I wonder if you always knew what you would be doing, or whether you fell into it so easily that you never really had to wonder about what was right for you.”

I’ve always known, or felt, that I’m here to do something. I came into music quite easily and continued with it. I think that’s where my contribution lies though how it will come to fruition is beyond me. When I was younger and beginning to show some aptitude toward music, I had a stepmother (whos no longer in my life) and she said an interesting thing to me. She said “Are you good at music because you like it or do you like music because you’re good at it” I was 16 or 17 at the time and didn’t give it much thought but it stuck with me. I often still ponder this question. I think its probably a little of both. Why did I bring that up? I’m a ramblin….

But this feeling of claiming more of what I want, my power, whatever you want to call it, effects my relationships with people too. I’m not the go along with anything, do what I’m supposed too guy as much. I still have it of course (I am a libra!) but I find that my relationships, particularly with my family, are a bit strained. They’re like "what’s got into greg"

""""Now all the strong Scorp power and intuition is freeeeeeee!!""""

I think I’m beginning to feel this. I feel quite able to anything lately and am a little giddy about it! It feels good and at the same time is a bit scary because it’s a new way of being for me. The aires insight is a good one… I can be quick, rebellious, etc. and I’m feeling its power so much more.

"""its so much healthier when we get our self esteem from our*selves* and not others. dont you think?"""

You’re right on ana. I cant stand depending on other people for my own confidence. I gotta do it myself ya know.

Ana I don’t want to stress you out about e-mail, I’m in no hurry. I’m just grateful for you’re time.

And my music, oy I like to talk about it. (I like radiohead too) Its always kind of difficult to explain my music. In a nutshell, its jazz based in that there is a lot of improvisation, but the harmony is more based in modern classical music. I compose pieces made of different ideas, and improvise on those ideas. Is this making sense? We can talk lots more about it. I haven’t heard of madlib, I’ll look them up…..

Now I’m gonna have to update my website and get the music links to work

I’m a little embarssed that this is all about me

Peace,

Greg

By the way, how do you do that little pull the quote from the previous post thingy?

posted August 15, 2003 03:11 PM              

ok, to get it out of the way, its ubb code for the quotes. it looks like this [ quote]put your stuff here[ /quote] and it will show up like that, BUT you have to remove the spaces... theres are no spaces in ubb code but i had to put them because otherwise it wouldnt show up as code, but as um, a quote. yea.

dont feel bad about it being all about you either, heck people fascinate me, i love to hear about peoples lives, and their self evaluations, their philosophies, all sorts of things. 'cause i love peeeeeple. ^_^ i just finished reading a friend of mines blog that spanned two YEARS. its the friend that i hadnt spoken too, i had a lot of catching up. it was a lot to read, but i loved every minute of it.

ah you like radiohead. *monty burns voice* excellent...

ok, the jazz you describe sounds like stuff id like. i just can not stand the chaotic whiny soprano sax stuff, yecch, im sure you know what im talking about? its just not my bag. classical i love, as well as anything classically influenced. i had some classical voice training at one time. i likes me my classical. havent listened to any in awhile though. bleah. should change that.

madlib is really great. i only just started listening to it a couple of days ago. its really sublime, it puts me in a great state of mind. i think (but am not sure) that its old stuff from blue note, covers? as i said i pretty much know squat about jazz at this point in life, jazz and i have had a rather torrid yet often interrupted love affair. like the proverbial two ships in the night, only they'd be hydrofoils. or something. uh, anyway, i really enjoy it. i would love to hear what you've got! so yea, get those links fixed

ah... this is what i love about message boards. they end up totally on tangent, and its beautiful and flowing.

i shall email soon ^_^ btw if you use aim look me up there. id love to ask you a couple of things about music. theres a couple of things i wish i remembered, and you might be able to help me. there was this cd collection a friend lent me once, and i LOVED it, and i wanna know what it was so i can find it from somewhere. also, i remembered a band i saw at the dumaurier jazz fest a few years ago, and its killing me that i cant remember their name. if i gave you some clues, you might know, hey?

phew anyway dont want another long post

sorry this message is stilted, im just getting very tired so im not at my most flowing.

take care!

~fuuuuhry

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
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posted August 15, 2003 03:23 PM              

it makes perfect sense

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin