posted April 15, 2004 04:32 PM              

Wow! You said it WAY better than I did in this thread. Thanks for your response!

I agree with you, as you know. I see that there are people that come here expecting easy answers and such, and I understand that maybe some thoughtful advice needs to be given to them on account of their hastiness in expecting astrology to solve their problems, but....

I am one for delivering a message like that one in a more constructive way than what I saw in this thread earlier too.

I don't think that anyone has the right to belittle someone on a public message board for any reason either.

So, Cheers to you over there in 'Jolly Old England!' Lol

By the way, how are things going between you and your, who is it again, an Aqua male, right?

I hope that your situation together can become clearer and clearer for the both of you as time goes by.

posted April 15, 2004 04:37 PM            

I understand your feelings and you are entitled to your opinions. I have found some of the replies by moderators in general here, at Northnode, at TSP to be snappy at times -but they are HUMAN. Humans say and do stupid things. I mean come on - look at some of the drivel we post here - we are all guilty of it.

I had a run in with a moderator that called someone's theory of only children "thera puke". So I jumped in - in a very astro way - and slapped it right back. He didn't answer back - he didn't call me any names - but I am sure that we both acknowledged the rights and wrong..But I ALSO have Pluto on the Ascendant and maybe it takes one to know one.

I find North Node to be refreshing - although not as busy at times. Maybe I just Mesh with it better as it is more in tune with my own Birthchart being that it's a Sag Sun, Leo Moon and Aries rising. It also has alot of planets in Aquarius, Gemini, Sag and Leo.

What is good for me - may not be ideal for you - that is life. I am sorry you felt slighted and I wish I would have seen the "mean post" to the lady - I would have either jumped in on her behalf or I would have messaged her behind the scenes.

It is no different than what people say here. Or when someone posts on Global Unity and some other says "Oh you are just an evil - person that wants to kill women and make the poor go hungry".

As for the Mercury Retrograde - I never said anything about speeding tickets or barfing cats.

As far as bank loans - that falls under communcations - records - written words what ever:
Communication is Mercury's main domain. Therefore, communication is greatly affected by this planet's pull. During the period Mercury is in retrograde motion, individuals may find their message is better conveyed through another less familiar medium. Messages may be misunderstood; whispers may be overheard and mail or email may be misdirected. Those who are usually constrained by public speaking may have moments of clarity, while those giving a public address may be dramatically misquoted. This is a good time to explore new outlets of communication. Choose your words carefully.

Maybe what some people are feeling is a combination of Merc in retro, Pluto in Retro and Jupiter in Retro, which I think someone pointed out on the thread.

According to Susan Miller (www.astrologyzone.com) she says the following concerning a Mercury Retrograde:

Speaking of retrograde planets, Mercury will be retrograde almost all month, from April 6 to April 30. With the planet of communication, commerce, transportation and negotiation out of phase, all these areas will go into a temporary shutdown. This month will simply not be a good time to start new ventures or to agree to new deals. Try not to sign any contracts in April. Resist the temptation to buy electronics of any kind or any items with moving parts, like a car. If equipment or appliances you already own are wearing down, you will find out this month with a trip to the repair shop. Back up your computer! (It is not a question of "if" you will ever lose data — it's "when." During Mercury retrograde that probability increases enormously.) Try not to insert new software, either — you could have problems.

Hmmm, I see the big words TRANSPORTATION , COMMERCE....COMMUNICATION

Maybe just maybe...speeding tickets, flights, delays...oh I don't know freaking "traffic" and even the bank loans / contracts would fall under that don't ya think? Or do you have some special information on Mercury and astrology that we all need to know about.

Sorry Natasha, but for some reason, the more I write and the more I think of how you addressed this issue with such an offensive tone - the more pi$$ed off it makes me. I have always respected you and your decisions, but I don't quite know what your deal is.

posted April 15, 2004 06:01 PM              

Firstly, I don't think Mercury retro is letting us understand each other properly, and I'm starting to think that some people are just having fun being pissy here. I started this thread in a bit of state of annoyence, and I'm not entirely sure why. Well, yeah I do. I use to help out just about everybody that popped in out of the blue offering us nothing but a request for someone to do their astrology chart for them and explain it all, (most often wanting a synastry/relationship chart)...while nobody else would respond to them at all. Each day, or every couple of days there'd be a new one, then another, then another...And I'd help them as much I could, considering how much time it takes, and how much thinking you have to do write it all out for them. It's a ton of work! Then, some of them wouldn't ever come back and reply, some would come back, and say "thanks but...GIMME MORE"...Only the minority would actually stick around and become part of our community, offering their insights and experiences to others, or their opinions about astrology, or life in general...whatever. Well, it started to get a little old for me, so I stopped doing all that work for them shortly thereafter. And NOBODY ELSE was doing it either. I realize why now. They don't respect the fact that it's work to that for them, and asking a complete stranger for that big of a favor...well, perhaps it's the niavity. But, the thing is...and I think most of us agree, you don't really mind doing it, but you'd like someone to share more, introduce themselves, give us some back ground about themselves, whatever they want to share. Make an effort for goodness sakes! Make an effort to learn something for themselves - make an effort to be friendly - make an effort to be gratefull -

I'm just as happy as you are to let people ponder life however they feel inclined to. But not everybody is a sweetheart just searching for some answers. Some people are just trolls, or forum jumpers, and many of them have attention spans that are to too short to wait for a response, so they just never return. It's all par for the course with public forums. I'm just tired of caring about utter stranger's when they don't care about anyone back.

Some people use programs that just spit out canned interpretations for them, all they have to do is copy and paste it, but I'm not one of them. It all comes from my head. (well, mostly)

posted April 15, 2004 06:21 PM              

I agree. It's like going to a university and feeling like everyone knows everything except you. You're at the university TO LEARN.

Lioneye -

Whenever you are not able to help someone for whatever reason, someone will probably come along when they can and help too. If you've gotten to the point where this is "work" then you just need to stop and think about why your paradigm has changed so.

posted April 15, 2004 08:23 PM              

Hi Pidua, no I was talking about a thread right now on North Node about mercury retrogade the personal issues the moderator was facing with it, that is clearly a personal post started by her, and I was told personal posts were off limits, as well as any posts that got personal. That was directed at me as I mixed in personal with astrology. But her post is about her house loan, so I fail to see how that's not personal-it's about her life, not anyone elses. Something she told me not to do.

So anyway, it's their forum they can do what they like, but I was not criticizing anything you said about mercury in retrogade. Yes I do have natal Mercury, Pluto and Jupiter in retrogade but I do feel it's a little bit of an over reaction to say, don't buy a car, maybe it's just for me.

I bought a car and a house when mercury was in retrograde once and both are fine:>

Sometimes you have to get the car repaired, there is no choice and it' s during mercury retrogade. So it's a little different for everyone.

Maybe it's just that I handle those things very carefully anyway, checking every thing and dotting every i with my mercury the way it is. I tend to be very cautious about what I write and agree to do anyway.

But I don't know why you would be upset at my post since it was not directed at your view? I agree it's different for everyone but I it's hard to understand why it's not okay for some to mix in personal experience? I mean on North Node the philosophy is set, you can't argue or ever state your opinion. If I say that natal mercury in retrogade does not cause a person to have speech problems or to be shy, I am immediately criticized as not knowing what I am talking about.

I have almost ALL my planets in retrogade and I'm not shy at all thanks to many planets at the top of the chart. But I was told not to post that, in a pissy way. I have had my id revoked twice for stating the obvious to newbies.

I don't post there but I respect your opinions Pidua, but I reserve the right to respect qualified opinions individually, not a mindset.

posted April 15, 2004 08:37 PM              

It's more than pissy to delete posts because you don't like them, without an explanation, it's rude. I was never rude and I didn't get off topic, so at some point the mods just took a dislike to me. That's fine. But it was frustrating not to know why anyone with such a temper could be a mod! After all tolerance is as important in a teacher as knowledge, othewise it's all about Ego!

In any case, if you do post anything there in the least bit personal-such as I have noticed-personally- that mercury in retrogade natally does NOT make you shy and tongue tied, your post may be deleted without warning,
so now you know.

Natasha

posted April 16, 2004 03:11 AM              

Just proves what I already knew. Women are just as guilty of perpetuating the traditional, unequal norms of acceptable social behavior as men are. Possibly more so.

posted April 16, 2004 05:22 AM              

"...Women are just as guilty of perpetuating the traditional, unequal norms of acceptable social behavior as men are. Possibly more so..."

I totally agree with that. Just today I was walking outside and thought about how maybe it just seems/ed so important to me because of all the Virgo in me. My natural affinity is in mothering and "taking care" of others.

All this time, it was like a part of me had died.

posted April 16, 2004 10:34 AM              

I really like upfront speaking, 'difficult' women, who assert their individuality and say what they mean.

But personally, where the subject of these less insightful posts are concerned, I still don't feel that that is a subject where such a big deal has to be made by you or any of the other people in this thread that agree with you about it.

My philosophy is that if you don't want to read a post, just SKIP IT AND MOVE ON most of the time, but....

if it does get to a point where you want to offer advice to someone to not put so much stock into astrology, then say it to them in a way that won't put them off so much from coming back to this Forum, which I am not sure that your first post did as well as it could do.

And, if you were a man, I would still have the EXACT same thoughts about this thread as I do right now.

To me, posting etiquette is NOT gender biased or effected for me in the least.

Ok, sorry if this post is considered causing trouble to anyone.

But I did feel compelled to set everyone straight on where I, at least, am coming from in this thread, you know, and....

my thoughts really have NOTHING to do with thinking that a 'woman can't be as this or as that as a man can be.'

I am the LAST person you will hear a sentiment like that one from, believe me.

posted April 16, 2004 01:31 PM            

I love irony!

Sorry if that's not PC, but I never did care for the thought police.

I love ya all loads.

posted April 16, 2004 04:00 PM              

I never used the words of either saint OR sinner anywhere in this thread at all, so I am not sure where you are actually getting the notion from that I personally think that you OR I are really one or the other....

especially since I am the kind of person who doesn't even use blanket statements like those ones are in my life anyway, lol.

I don't think I've been rude or disrespectful to you or to anyone else in the least in this thread.

I wrote my last post because I wanted to clarify my position on the man vs. woman thing, because male and female dynamics are sort of a big issue with me in my own life right now, so I wanted to speak up about what my views are where that stuff is concerned, as I try to do at all times if / when that particular subject comes up.

No offense intended to you at all, but I will continue to post in this thread for as long as I see something in it which I'd like to indeed reply to in it.

I am really sorry if my doing that bothers you for any reason though.

Citing you out to specifically berate you as a person is certainly not my intention here.

By continuing to speak out as I see fit to, I guess I am sort of proving my point by what I meant in my last post about embracing the fact of myself hopefully indeed being one of those women who speaks her mind if she wants to do so.

But again, I am sorry if my remarks are actually causing you so much annoyance and things.

That is truly simply not the intention of my remarks.

With my words, I am only trying to express my opinion on certain ideas.

I am really not trying to express my opinion on ANY PERSON here, and that includes YOU.

I don't think we have to start name calling on any level or anything just because we happen to see this issue or any other one in a different light from one another.

So once again....

Love And Light To You And To Everyone!

BTW, is Mercury out of Retrograde yet????

Please, pretty pretty please, if it isn't yet, tell me that it will be soon so that things can get back to normal around here again, lol.

posted April 16, 2004 04:29 PM            

I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I didn't mean to come across as angry..Sometimes that Sag Sun / Aries moon combo gets me fired up....anyway - I understand what you mean and I do feel it was absolutely rude for your posts to be deleted on NN.

Happyone,

I second what Lioneye said....it's too hard to simply answer your question. It is nice to see a dude around here though.

So - what kind of Scientist are you?

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted April 16, 2004 04:30 PM              

And I was quoting YOU from your previous post when I said the part about "skip it and move on"

I am entitled to my opinion, and you are entitled to disagree. I think you just don't care for the manner in which I express myself. God knows, you wouldn't be the first, probably won't be the last.

posted April 16, 2004 04:39 PM              

I know you are quality and so my pride is undamaged:>

Happy mercury retrogade everyone.