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Topic: This forum is not meant to be your "Will he marry me?" forum!
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astro junkie
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posted April 16, 2004 05:43 PM
 
Pixel -I'd forgotten that you have Mercury in Libra. GURRRL! You, me, and my Libra in Merc guy.... we'd paint the town red!! ------------------
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PlayfulPonderingFishMoon
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posted April 16, 2004 06:55 PM
Please don't worry about anything, lioneye. I just wanted to clear things up between us before any of it got too far out of hand too fast, especially with our dear friend in charge of communications named Mercury being in Retrograde and all right now too, lol.
So, please have a nice day on Playful's behalf! Lol
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ariestiger
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posted April 17, 2004 07:32 AM
Maybe, and I think this is a valid point, the reason why topics being posted tend to be of a particular type is because of the, dare I say it, unbalanced male/female ratio on the site. I don't believe that's something that can be changed; "men", like it or not, have always been a favourite topic of women, from time immemorial.
I guess, from what I can observe, that this particular environment is simply a typical female-dominated one, where everyone gets fed up with everyone else from time to time, and then the implicit bitchiness starts, and the cumulative effects of too much oestrogen start to become apparent...But that is perfectly normal, and to be expected!
*goes off in search of male-dominated site*I have been doing a lot of thinking lately, and am even questioning whether I "believe" in astrology at all. Alsezion's earlier post springs to mind here. To believe or not to believe? There has been a lot of talk here on this thread of taking astrology seriously, but not so much that it becomes a religion that dictates to one.
So, then, why should one believe at all? Astrology, like the bases of any religion, isn't something you can look at, touch or feel. What, then, prompts us to believe in it? Is it because we need a "comfort blanket", something to make us feel safe? If we choose to be involved in it, can we only be half-involved in it, taking it "semi-seriously"? If we do this, are we wasting our time being interested in it? It's theoretical - right? But just how valid is it as a theory? How can it be proved right or wrong, enough to stand up on its own? (Predictions, as far as I can see, don't work.)
How do we appear to someone from the outside looking in? Are we seriously divulging the answers to the problems that life throws at us? (Do whe NEED astrology to explain to us why and wherefore?)Or are we just a bunch of self-referential lunatics?
*goes off into wilderness*
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trillian
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posted April 17, 2004 07:43 AM
How can you prove anything, really?Do you love your mother?
Prove it. Does your mother love you?
How does she prove it?
Does she say so? There is no standard for proving you love anyone. There are only indications. Everything you believe is a choice. Always question authority. Peace love and instant karma.  IP: Logged |
soulsista
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posted April 17, 2004 12:17 PM
AriestigerWell done you, I agree wholeheartedly with all that you have said on your postings on this thread. And to everyone else, its been said before by many but PLEASE, I dont believe this is meant to be a select club. We are all different, we all have our individual style, we can all bring something to the forum. I dont think its up to anyone to say people should disclose more about themselves or how a question should be worded. Frankly, I find it amazing that what is criticised is a simple request for information and yet Ive read a fair amount of serious man obsessing, bad language and sexual reference (dont get me wrong Im really not a prude Im just comparing - Libra!). Lioneye - I understand your point about putting alot of work into fulfilling someones request and yes this must be very frustrating but sometimes a simple request requires a simple answer. I have been referred by helpful people on this site to other links which has given me more information reading material and knowledge. Great, thanks! I cannot put my thoughts and feelings on this subject any better than Ariestiger who mentioned that the 'young' deserve as much respect if not more from the more experienced and knowledgeable visitors to the site. How else can they 'give more of themselves' without being first made to feel equal, valued and WELCOME. Something that I notice Randall is always keen to do. Plus, it would seem that there will always be threads running here that would appeal to a more mature mind. It seems that these 'young' cannot win. At the end of the day, this is the internet. People come people go, I feel I know some of you yet am aware that I may have a completely wrong perspective, so I try not to judge. Some people are in these rooms for hours a day, some for a fleeting 10 minutes on a lunch hour, some of us are 70 some 7, male, female, rich, poor, professional, home bods..and so it goes on and on AND its global. And therein lies its beauty, lets just accept all that WE all have to offer. xxxxxxxxx IP: Logged |
PlayfulPonderingFishMoon
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posted April 17, 2004 01:31 PM
Once again, I have to post in and offer applause to yet another person in this thread.
soulsista,
I feel that you hit the nail on the head with your comments as well. Good going for you!
Maybe I should really think about moving to England sometime in the future?
I seem to be all agog for the views on these questions which I hear coming from that part of our planet, don't I? Lol
Truly, I would love to visit over there one day. I really do hope that I can make it happen.
lioneye,
As always, please do know that there's absolutely no offense intended to you from me just because I am agreeing with some other points of view that you probably don't share about this same topic.
I hope we are still clear on all of that!
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astro junkie
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posted April 17, 2004 02:52 PM
As for "proof" of astrology, sometimes things become more clear when we don't look directly at it...Case in point. You are in a brand new relationship and you find out his/her birth info and get started. You find the astrological scenario for this budding relationship to be rather positive, although as in every relationship, there are some pitfalls to watch out for. So you go back into the real world cognizant of what could potentially go right or wrong. You are having a good time, you want the relationship to work, so you try to focus on all the good features. Between this and how good you feel, you can hardly imagine how the astrological forecast could ever be so wrong as to say anything negative. A few months go by, and the relationship starts to go sour. Suddenly, all those negative astrological potential's are crystal clear, and you kick yourself for not paying enough attention to them. Moral of the story::: It's not important to believe or not believe in astrology. Again, if you look at it head-on it doesn't make as much sense as when you look at it indirectly, after real life experiences have taken their natural course. ------------------
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lioneye68
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posted April 17, 2004 05:12 PM
Astrology proves itself to me daily. What you cannot tell from astrology is how any given person is going to react to any given stimuli. Every second of our lives we're faced with choices...do we take the low road, or do we take the high road? Two people with near identical charts can choose differently at the same fork in the road, depending on where they are in their own path of evolution, and you can't see that from a chart. (except in rare cases...like a Stellium in Pisces in the 12th would indicate a very old soul, who's likely here as a teacher/role model)As for transits and astrology...it's always crystal clear in retrospect, but it's hard to know how a transit will play out before hand ...the options are so numerous. You can look for indicators to an event, like marriage or health problems, but one indicator does not an event make. I think the rule of thumb is 3 hits = manifestation. (what the manifestation will be is usually only clear afterwards...I truly admire any astrologer who can pin point future events with any level of accuracy) Wish I could change the title of this thread. I'm not annoyed anymore. Over it. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted April 17, 2004 05:38 PM
Thanks Natasha, I am glad that you understand. I do wish I could have helped out on North Node.... By the way, when I was talking about Pluto and Jupiter in retro, I didn't mean your natal planets, I meant the influence of the transiting planets in retro. I can really feel the effects of Jupiter in retro. I can't wait for my ruling planet to go direct, even if it is in a tense sign to my Sun, Venus and Mars....I just want it to WAKE UP!!!  IP: Logged |
soulsista
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posted April 17, 2004 06:45 PM
PlayfulThanks for your nice words...and please visit the British Isles, it has a beautiful landscape and rich heritage and I have a feeling that you would love it. xxxxxxxx
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tahariel
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posted April 17, 2004 08:38 PM
I was struck by ariestiger's post, to believe or not to believe. I haven't been here long and I've seen something that I find interesting in you all. You all love astrology, yet I think some allow it in a little too much. As far as i can tell people have been blaming mercury for communication problems. If no one knew about Mercury, would there be as many communication problems ? Your beliefs create your reality.
So many put conditions on how they do things. Like the rules for the aura diet. It sounds very interesting but what's the difference between drinking solarised water and drinking water you believe to be solarised ?
I think many here underestimate their power over their own lives, hence which is probably why there are these 'will he marry me' posts. We are in 100% control no matter what planet is where. All we need is to walk with love :0)Just my observations :0) IP: Logged |
PlayfulPonderingFishMoon
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posted April 17, 2004 09:12 PM
tahariel,
Yes, I actually see your points too.
I have been wondering about some of the same things lately as well. I think that for me personally, I try to apply balance to all of it in every way that I possibly can. I admit that I do take pains to learn about my own natal chart, and that I also take the same pains to learn about the chart of someone else if they intrigue me in ANY way, be they a potential crush OR whatever, lol.... but, I do also keep in mind that a natal chart in and of itself CANNOT clearly DEFINE a person in their totality at all in the least though. Nor does any chart of a synastry or of a composite in anyway clearly spell any couple's relationship out for them in a way that is 'as easy as ABC' either, at least in my opinion, neither of them do anyhow.
I have no idea about the Merc in Retro being a self fulfilling prophecy for all of us etc....
I just think that each person is an individual who will obviously handle that prospective communication block in their very own, personal, individual way.
But I do think that it has the POTENTIAL to effect each and every one of us though.
But YOU might have a very DIFFERENT experience with it than what I have with it though, merely because WE are each DIFFERENT people to begin with.
Well, I don't know if any of that made any sense to anyone at all, but I do hope that at least some of it did make a little bit of sense to someone out there.
And if nobody got any of what I was trying to get at by it all, well then, we all know it's not really my fault then, right?
Blame it all on that damn Merc in Retro again, you know.
Lol, hehehe
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pixelpixie
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posted April 18, 2004 03:12 AM
Tahariel~I see what you say about having free will and the power of the mind, and manifesting our reality. I realize what you are saying when you speak that way.
But I honestly don't think you give enough credit where credit is due. We are not all unknowing unseeing naive sheep following the rules and believing all we see. The questions are for our own enlightenment, nothing is gospel, and I believe we say things like~
"Mercury is retrograde, and it's causing all kinds of havok in the following ways.... etc etc"
Point is, If I were at a Monster Truck show, I'd be talking about engines/Decals/RPM's or whatever. If I were talking to my girlfriends in a lingerie store, I'd be talking about that cute butterfly thong.
It is a common point of reference. A way for all to unite on common ground, a connection....
"You see that? Oh my gosh, I see that too!!" "Wow, we are SO bonding" It is personal connection, and sharing observations.
I am an individual as you are. I have to say, I have found you quite condescending on other threads, and that tone in the above post felt the same to me....
Thanks for pointing out that you see so much more in the error of our sheepishness than we do.... but realize when you say that, your point of reference is only the way you see things, and doesn't make it everyone's reality.
I'm not saying that to start anything, maybe you don't realize you come across that way... or maybe it is just me....( I have been known to champion silly causes that offend my sensibilities, I am sensitive, and loud too....) But I am honest and I call it like I see it. I wouldn't say anything I didn't feel. THAT is how I feel. On the other hand... Mercury is retrograde right now, so maybe communication is awry.  IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted April 18, 2004 12:49 PM
"Always remember that astrology is not fatalistic. The stars incline, they do not compel. Most of us are carried along in blind obedience to the influence of the planets and our electromangetic birth patterns, as well as to our environment, our heredity and the willis of those stronger than us. We show no perception, therefore no resistance; and our horoscopes fit us like a fingerprint. We're moved like pawns on a chess board in the game of life, even while some of us scoff at or ignore the very powers which are moving us. But anyone can rise above the afflictions of his nativity. By using free will, or the power of the soul, anyone can dominate his moods, change his character, control his environment and the attitudes of those close to him. When we do this, we become movers in the chess game, instead of the pawns." -- Linda Goodman's Sun Signs, Afterword, pg 482-3 in the paperback edition.
When I read tahariel's post, this is immediately what came to my mind. I don't think she meant to imply that anyone here is necessarily a sheep or following anyone/anything blindly ... I think she was just tuning in to the possibilities available to each of us in regards to "controlling" our own destinies, if we choose to do so. Perhaps she did this with an attitude urging us toward achieving our potentials, but I think her intent was positive.
Also, don't forget that communication is a two-way street. Certainly, someone's words may be inappropriately phrased and thus lead to confusion, but our ability to understand and receive messages clearly is also challenged under a Mercury retrograde. Perhaps considering why someone's words gave you the impression they did is as fruitful a venture as considering what that person actually meant to say. 
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pixelpixie
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posted April 18, 2004 01:05 PM
Yep. Hence the disclaimer.Also I was drunk.
But I agree with you,. Eleanore. I actually kinda said that, but in a more aggressive way. OOOOPS!!!! IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted April 18, 2004 03:42 PM
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ariestiger
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posted April 18, 2004 04:54 PM
Okay, Lioneye.
Pax?Good. Now - fresh start, everyone! (It's my 30th birthday today, so I'm in an EXCEPTIONALLY good mood!) IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted April 18, 2004 05:51 PM
Ah... free will and the power of the Placebo Effect...IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 18, 2004 06:08 PM
If I could re-title this thread, it would be to:"Venting, counter-venting, and other miscellaneous ramblings..." IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted April 18, 2004 07:00 PM
Hee hee!!
Happy 30th Birthday!!!!!!!!IP: Logged |
tahariel
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posted April 18, 2004 07:36 PM
pixelpixie,
Funny that you find me condescending since one of the first posts I wrote was highly in your defense when you had a post deleted. I feel that you see the negative in some posts, where sometimes all that is, is love. If you want to lash at me with your tail, fine, it doesn't bother me one inch. You spoke on behalf of everyone, when I wasn't even addressing everyone. I was addressing those who feel my post may apply to them, if it struck a cord, then it clearly struck a cord for a reason. If, on behalf of everyone you want me out, then great, I would prefer to spend my time doing other things than coming across as condescending to others, cause I know no one needs that. Maybe one reason I do sound condescending is due to me knowing I can be blunt, it takes me ages to write a post trying to word it tactfully. If I wrote how I speak I'd probably have all my posts deleted. Curse me for trying to help :0) IP: Logged |
PlayfulPonderingFishMoon
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posted April 18, 2004 07:38 PM
Damn it pixel, you beat me to the first official Happy Birthday wish for ariestiger on account of the snafu I had trying to send my own wish earlier but not having it go through over my Internet connection, lol.
Well, here is my official birthday tune being sent to you again right now, ariestiger....
Happy Birthday To You
Happy Birthday To You Happy Birthday, ariestiger Happy Birthday To You
Have a great and festive 30th anniversary of lifehood! Lol
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tahariel
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posted April 18, 2004 07:48 PM
PlayfulPonderingFishMoon,
I completely understand what you mean, I am in the battle of trying to decide whether I believe in a planet's influences or not. I think the Moon has a massive influence so I guess they all do, on the other hand I hate thinking that any external forces influence me !Sorry, I have re-read PixelPixies post and have more to say.
I didn't give credit because I didn't think I needed to. I assumed everyone knew how wonderful they all are, if they don't then they should !
I constantly compliment DistantDrummer as I see he/she is in touch with their personal power and it makes me happy. I have been studying this issue for years now.
As for this being my reality, I know that more than you can imagine. Which is why I called it my observations, I see what I see. I don't know anyone well enough to empathise from their point of view. I know my reality can never be anyone elses. Which is why I discuss what I see, to see what they see in relation.
I don't appriciate being called condescending when I don't believe I was. But if that's not only your reality, but others too, then I will gladly go.
Thank you for your version of your reality :0) IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted April 18, 2004 07:51 PM
Happy birthday, ariestiger! For what it's worth, tahariel, I've never found you to be condescending towards anyone. I also have really enjoyed pixlepixie's posts and have never been offended by her(?) either.
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pixelpixie
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posted April 18, 2004 09:09 PM
~~~~~~Tahariel~~~~~Omigosh....
I am sorry if I put it out there that I wanted you to go.. how do I say this tactfully....
No No nonOnononono
I don't want you to leave!! I only spoke from the defensive perspective of the moment. I actually agreed with your take on things, but see, I have a problem with 'authority'. Not in the sense of police officers or principals or bosses or some such thing, but that someone could look at an entire thread and delegate the common points as being very 'follow the leader'. It seemed to me (at the moment) to be very um.... put-downish.... as in..
"These are my observations, and they are final, you are a bunch of followers, and you are wrong, and this is the way it ACTUALLY is..."
I think I took it like that... I tend to do that... like one positive is equal to about ten negativs in my brain.... so while the post was meant to be an observation of yours, and a mostly positive, or maybe 'enlightening' one for some, I took the negatives I read and amplified them. You have to understand that my perspective in this world is not as fixed as you'd think, but I am very centred around freedom from stereotypes and such.. I just bought a pair of red ballet type slippers, and I would wear them with any other colour I own.
This is a major part of me... I am very~ "Yes, so what, this is me, and I like it." But I also seee things from others' perspectives, and mostly see past the bulsh!t people throw out there. But maybe in my quest for bull, I end up putting a poop-stained shoe in my mouth. (ewww) I doubt I have clarified, but please, I don't have that much power for one comment, made while I was a sensitive drunk, to overthrow all the positive contributions you have made out to pasture. I am sorry for that.
Thank you for defending me in the past.. Please understand that I have a forceful way, as do you, of putting things out there. The Beauty (?) of being Aries and Scorpio, respectively. I found the ONE thing you said to be condescending. And something did 'ping' in my brain, that you'd said in the past, but you know, it was possibly the thing about Distant Drummer.....
But, c'mon, I probably offend people all the time. I am sorry to have hurt you, or created a rift. I am truly sorry for that. I think though, that after this, once the air is clarified, things'll be cool.
I truly love Aries as a sign..... I know, that's a generalization, but I always (now) seem to jive with their strength, I respect it.
So there... I respect your strength. Howz about that? *****just slap me and tell me to shut up***** IP: Logged | |
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