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pixelpixie
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posted July 29, 2004 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

There you go, Lioneye.

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pixelpixie
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posted August 01, 2004 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also said I would find the section on bobmarks which talks about dssecting the chart through harmonics.. there is some interesting write ups about criminals. See? I follow through every once and a while.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

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posted August 02, 2004 08:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank god, i don't have any of those aspect nothing in my 12th house, nothing conjut with pluto and venus isn't conjut with any sign, but tarrus.

my only bad in mars in cancer and moon in aries.

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pidaua
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posted August 02, 2004 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL...moon in Aries is not bad. It is a blessing at times...

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 04, 2004 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pixie -

You said "rape isnt about sex, its about control and power".

I would say that sex is also about control and power; give and take, etc. I think thats why rape is such a "popular" expression of powerlessness and aggression.

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posted August 04, 2004 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I know is, I'm hiding my snake if I ever see Juniper with a hoe in her hand...

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posted August 04, 2004 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some would say sex and rape are the same thing, it's simply a matter of perception/positioning

some say that when a person is raped, everyone in the universe can feel it, on some level. and so we are all being raped.

My neptune in scorpio conjunct ascendant,
opposite my sun is speaking,

I have no other aspects to neptune so it's a little rough on me, I spend a lot of time on that planet:>

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pixelpixie
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posted August 04, 2004 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hear shaped Cross... If I didn't already know you were a Sun Scorpio, I would know now, based upon that statement.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 04, 2004 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a really great movie, directed by Richard Linklater (Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Waking Life, Dazed and Confused, etc.), called Tape, which is, more or less, about rape - or, what constitutes rape (i.e. is it in the eye of the rapist, the raped, both?). One of my favorite actors (I'm sort of a film buff), Ethan Hawk, gives a pretty incredible performance.
Ps. He was born on the same day as me.

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pixelpixie
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posted August 04, 2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if he is the same director of a fil called "Slacker"
I saw it in the nineties.. it was basically a videocamera following each person it 'interacted' with, and the evolving and ever changing story. Interesting concept. Talky-Talky, without the wierd tangents that Tarantino gets into.. though I enjoy those monologues too.
I mean, I have heard of him, and love his movies, but I can't remember if it is him who did that one... maybe it's that guy who directed "Kids" -Harmony or something?

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posted August 04, 2004 06:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Slacker! I love that movie.

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posted August 27, 2004 06:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well there are some signs that are likely to be criminals actually, well its diffrent areas of crimnials the ones that I know best is diffrent types of serial killers. But some normal statistics you hear is that Libra's are over represented in prison, but I have to add that the crimes they have comitted is ofthen (very ofthen) burglary or assault on a spouse or something of the same nature.
However I know more about serial killer statistics actually. Aquarius, Pisces and Virgos are over represented in general among serial killers. and Taurus is close to be in that list as well. Then there are diffrent areas.
I know stattistics for some of them. Well Actually most of them, but I will not write an essay on them

Cannibals: Virgos and Taurus.

Serial Rapists/Usual Serial Killers/sadists: Aquarius and Pisces.

Child Molesting serial killers: Aquarius.

One Time Killers/Spree Killers/Other Desperados: Mostly Aries and Cancer. But also Pisces and Leo.

And in Child Moslesting areas, not serial killers: Almost always Cancer and Aquarius.

Most people think that Criminals are brain damaged, well serial killers I'm talking about then. But the truth is that most prison inmates (all kinds of criminals then) are actually not psychopaths or have other brain damgaes. the statistics for serial killers is the same actually. Thats why I think we have to understand there horoscopes to understand them. I have found when I have studied very much serial killings is that it's easy to see common trades among serial killers with the same sun sign. Off course I know it's about other planets as well as the sun. but actually the the sun and the moon together make the most diffrence. As I said before if we talk bout the usual sexual predator serial killer. The most commong among them are Aquarius Pisces and Virgo..all right. The single most common of them is Aquarius. But not just Aquarius. Aquarius with moon in scorpio. I can mention the names that most people will recognize. Gary Leon Ridgaway, Ray Lewis Norris, Andrew Kehoe....they are just some of them. Virgos have no common moon sign when it comes to all Virgo seria killers. Pisces with Leo in Moon is a very common combination.

What mean with this is that it's not as easy to say like that all prison mates are this and that because normal prison statistics ofthen don't bring up maximum security prisons, private prisons and the ones that are already executed. So I cants say that there are some sign singled out from the rest that all are criminals, there are some signs more common within diffrent areas. And I think that within criminology Astrology should be included much more and should be taken more seriously, becuse astrolgy is the thing that will tell the truth about a person when all the other "good" things fail, which they always do, as we see people comong out of mental institutions such as places for the criminally insane all the time without being cured. Most can never be cured but thos who can, could be cured if the doctors knew there true feelings and true thoughts, not the things they have learned to say in order to manipulate the doctors.

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KarenSD
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posted September 17, 2004 03:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YIKES! I am Pisces with Leo moon.

There was a "man" who was given the death penalty here in SoCal two years ago for the kidnapping and killing of a young girl. I remember how overly disturbed *i* was in finding out he - David Westerfield - is a Pisces.

I can't remember where i read it, it wasn't in one of Linda's writings, that there was some study done that showed there are more Pisceans locked up in psycho wards than any others...

I know i was with a Libra for three years who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, but i stayed with him for, well, three years too long, so not sure if that qualifies *me* for placement in a mental hospital.

*grins*

This is a very interesting thread though...

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DepTaurus
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posted July 24, 2009 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lmao who would want to know this

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Capriquarius
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posted December 19, 2011 08:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to bump up an ancient thread!

http://www.amazon.com/Zodiac-Death-Don-Lasseter/dp/0425171469/ref=sr_1_1 ?ie=UTF8&qid=1324300606&sr=8-1

Here's a little light reading (that's meant to be tongue-in-cheek...this is actually heavy reading for me, ok?) about serial killers. I'm not sure why it got 3/5 stars on Amazon but it's probably because the interpretations were too dramatic lol. I read this book when I was going thru my Pluto conj Mercury transit and scaring myself silly lol.

Here's a quick run-down of what I remember...

A dominant theme seems to be Mutable influence in male charts. Examples:

John Wayne Gacy: Sag Rising, Pisces Sun/Moon
Richard Ramirez: Sag Rising, Pisces Sun/Moon also! (This is my personal favorite case.....equal opportunity killer hea, with that Pisces foot fetish)

Ted Bundy: Leo Rising, Sag Sun/Moon (and someone mentioned he has that Saturn-Pluto thing going in Leo?)

Jeffrey Dahmer: Libra Rising, Gemini Sun, Aries Moon

Um....that's all I can remember.

Female serial killers who employ the use of outright violence seem to have a dominant Aries theme. And when this was the case, they usually killed for material gains, such as collecting life insurance.

I'm not sure about the common astrological themes present in the charts of female serial killers of the emotionally-driven "caretaker" variety. (e.g. nurses who quench their thirst for power by slowly poisoning their patients who need them) I'm guessing it's some kinda affliction from Neptune or Pluto.

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BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 19, 2011 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The signs I've seen mentioned the most in terms of violent criminal activity are Gemini and Cancer.

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Capriquarius
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posted December 20, 2011 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
The signs I've seen mentioned the most in terms of violent criminal activity are Gemini and Cancer.

Will keep that observation in mind.

Thanks for recommending "The Astrologer's Handbook"... finally got my copy in the mail. Whenever I get done reading it I'm gonna start posting at astro.com or tribe.com. See ya!

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posted December 20, 2011 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't agree with the premis of the question because I think "criminal" can be subjective. I know lots of people who commit crimes but I don't consider them criminals.
If you confine it to simply murders, rapist, and violent criminals, I think Pisces is the most common. Strange but true. They seem so vascillating and weak and don't like to take responsibility for anything but then they commit the ultimate act of defiance. Wierd.
I can see how SOME scorpios, certain decante, are more likely to rape. I've seen that but I think most Scorpios are very disciplined and it keeps them out of a lot trouble. I think Libra tends to be violent and explode. Cancerians are stalkers by nature so I can see that factoring too.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 22, 2011 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I think of con artists, jewel thieves, hackers, and people who need a lot of charm and intelligence to commit crimes, I can't help but picture Gemini, maybe Libra. When I think of rape and sex crimes, I could see Scorpio being a common sign, as well as Leo and maybe Aries, but, then again, I could also see Scorpio being a common sign for the police who investigate such crimes and bring those people to justice. A lot of serial killers are Pisces, which is odd to me. However, I also notice that a lot of those Pisces killers also have had horrible childhoods and pasts, like Aileen Wournos. I could also see religious fanatics who kill being Pisces. Perhaps a bad upbringing or extremist beliefs can twist and distort the normally gentle and kind Piscean nature.

While I do believe that people with horrific pasts do have to make the choice at some point to rise above it, and have seen people do exactly that, I also can't help but feel that the people who abused them are just as guilty as they are of their crimes. They're the ones who created those monsters, in a lot of cases. Some people might just be born bad, or might have good parents but still choose evil, but I can't help but notice how many criminals had horrible upbringings. It doesn't excuse at all what they did, and they should pay for their crimes, but it does go to show how one type of evil begets even worse evil.

I wonder, too, if signs that commit the same crimes do so for different reasons. Like some signs might be more likely to commit crimes for fame, some out of desperation, some out of jealousy, etc.

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posted December 22, 2011 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm jealous of how Libra Mercury draws out all these sides/subtleties of an issue. Those are interesting questions and from what I know, yeah, Sun sign does seem to affect the motivation and modus operandi (e.g. Charles Manson was a Scorpio so he employed emotional manipulation; Al Capone was a Capricorn, so he was status-driven....Richard Ramirez's Pisces energy absorbed the violence his uncle introduced him to).

Studies show that killers are often wired differently (enlarged amygdala, I think?). I wonder if astrology can pinpoint something as specific as that.

I felt horrible for Aileen Wuornos. If I was raped as a kid and then had wh0re to survive and be treated inhumanly then I'd probably wanna murder the Johns too. None of the other killers were put in a position to have their bodies violated every day.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 22, 2011 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
I felt horrible for Aileen Wuornos. If I was raped as a kid and then had wh0re to survive and be treated inhumanly then I'd probably wanna murder the Johns too. None of the other killers were put in a position to have their bodies violated every day.


To be honest, I do too. I saw a story on her not long ago and I just wanted to cry (and Platero does NOT cry at TV!)

I know that what she did was wrong, but in all honesty, I feel that what they did to her was worse. She was routinely violated, never got to have a childhood, never got to be young and innocent and carefree. She may have taken lives from others, but she had hers taken away too. I only wish that she had been able to get the help and support that she needed to have her life turn out differently.

I cannot tell you how strongly I feel that more needs to be done to punish the monsters who commit those crimes. They should be locked up and NEVER allowed any hope of parole, no matter what. Sex criminals need to be off the streets and away from society and decent people.

/end soapbox


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posted December 22, 2011 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I felt her punishment was too harsh when her position seemed worse than the other killers'. I'm kinda relieved to find somebody who feels the same, that I'm not totally crazy for empathizing with a killer.

Anyways, I'll be stalking your posts from time to time, RP. Don't let that creep you out toooo much muahaha. I'm not gonna be posting on Astrology 2.0... there seems to be a bit of a drama going on there, not sure what it's over exactly and don't care to know more. Merry Holidays!

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 23, 2011 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Yeah, I felt her punishment was too harsh when her position seemed worse than the other killers'. I'm kinda relieved to find somebody who feels the same, that I'm not totally crazy for empathizing with a killer.

Anyways, I'll be stalking your posts from time to time, RP. Don't let that creep you out toooo much muahaha. I'm not gonna be posting on Astrology 2.0... there seems to be a bit of a drama going on there, not sure what it's over exactly and don't care to know more. Merry Holidays!


hmm...I'm not sure what's going on there, but I hope you come back at some point!

Really like your posts!

And Merry Holidays to you too! :-)

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posted December 23, 2011 07:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank ya, glad to hear you do because I enjoy and learn from yours. Always intelligent.

I'm gonna stick to posting on Astrology 1.0 where new topics aren't allowed. Also, it's rather fun to spy on what's been said in the past. hehe, j/k (mostly)

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posted December 24, 2011 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Serial killer Sun: Gemini, Sagittarius, Capricorn

Mass Murderer: often Libra, Sagittarius Suns

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