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LibraSparkle
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posted August 29, 2004 01:31 PM
 
Punisment is necessary, capitol punishment is unnecessary. Euthanasia is ok... some people's brains are hopelessly sick. I don't think it's right to take another life with out consent. I'm sure some of the people in prison would like a visit from Dr. Kevorkian, others might like a chance to better themselves. I think it's wrong to make that choice for them. The power is too easily abused and we find our government putting women to death for losing their minds and killing their abusive husbands because they can't take it anymore. Someone like this could be rehabilitated... there was no need for her to die.  IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted August 29, 2004 02:00 PM
 Karma is the law of cause and effect
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libraman
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posted August 29, 2004 02:23 PM
libra sparkle,
There is no need for "her" to die, you're right, but if the punishment for a murder is "rehabilitation",it will make it could be a motive for other people suffering from abuse. They can kill more easily knowing that all what's gonna happen is "rehabilitation".
Sometimes when you live in a society, decisions should be made on a "society benefit" level, not on a "personal" level.
A few people have to pay the price, but I think of them as martyrs for a better society. Just hope they were not innocents.
Of course, one's conscience can sometimes be the harshest punishment, but we can't rely on a criminal's conscience to be awake everytime. Some people killed their conscience before they killed anybody else.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted August 29, 2004 02:42 PM
I can agree that we can't always count on the criminal's consience to awaken, but my example was really not that of a criminal, but an example of an emotionally distressed individual who's fight or flight reaction finally kicked in. The criminal in this example is the person who was murdered.And the innocents... that is another reason I am against capitol punishment. There are too many variables for this to be an option, IMO. Many cases on death row aren't necessarily serial killers, or professional killers... but people who reacted without thinking, and were very young when the crime was committed. We don't know if they can be rehabilitated unless we try it. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted August 29, 2004 02:54 PM
I know this is awfully cliché, but:An eye for an eye will make the world go blind. You can't spank a kid for hitting and get him to understand why it's wrong to hit. You can't murder for murdering... where is the learning process?
I just had another thought...
Karmically speaking, if a person were here and part of their plan was killing another individual for whatever learning process... wouldn't capitol punishment just be sending them to be reborn to do it all over again? It's not really solving the problem. Just putting it off until later.
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astro junkie
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posted August 29, 2004 05:08 PM
We may not be able to understand the ramifications, or what they may be like. We might have an idea, but I don't think we know for sure.IP: Logged |
Archer
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posted August 29, 2004 11:21 PM
law shopuld be based on psychology and each case studied accordingly.------------------
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astro junkie
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posted August 29, 2004 11:36 PM
... make it happen Archer ...IP: Logged |
Archer
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posted August 30, 2004 01:34 AM
me? how?------------------
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LibraSparkle
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posted August 30, 2004 02:10 AM
why not? ... get to work  IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted August 30, 2004 09:03 PM
Any progress, Archer?IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted August 30, 2004 10:21 PM
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Gemini Nymph
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posted August 30, 2004 10:35 PM
Ahhhhhhh....RTOFLMAO Thanks AJ - I needed that tonight.  BTW - where do you guys get these greamlins/smilies that aren't in the LL smilie legend? I'm just not hip enought o knwo these things. IP: Logged |
aqua
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posted August 31, 2004 02:32 AM
listen people is'nt that true that is good has to exist evil should also be there??as we say that slaping someone is not good or in other words it is evil then we know that loving is good. how did we exactly differentiate between the two??we could make out good only when we have evil.if only and only evil persists or only good persists then there is no difference betweet the two.or atleast we we'll not be able to make out difference. IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted August 31, 2004 02:35 AM
Think of God, and in His hands is clay. He molds the clay into a ball, and throws it into the sky, going into space. Something about that ball stayed together, was it the hand of God?IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted August 31, 2004 02:46 AM
Those are excellent thougths, guys  Aqua, you make a very good point. So, by using this theory (which I totally agree with) applied to capital punishment, capital punishment is still wrong. If we killed off all the evil, it wouldjust have to be reborn to balance things out, would it not? AJ, good question. I have to figure out how to formulate my ideas into words... but I want to get back to this question (given I don't forget  ) I love that graphic. Very cute. Gemini Nymph, When you go to the Smiles Legend, at the top of the page you will see: FOR AN EXPLANATION OF UBB CODE, CLICK HERE From there you will find an explanation on how to do fun stuff
Archer, I hope you know I'm just being silly and playing around
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Archer
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posted August 31, 2004 03:04 AM
its ok libra sparkel.ur right aqwua. my religion (jainism) says its god that created satan and evil so that epople remember god! it kind of sounds crazy but has certain logic...if there is no evil why would people remember or have god? besides now science says evil is a state of the mind. the person commiting sin just doesnot know it. he just ahs to do what his mind commands. the fact that we can educate our minds is a different thing... ------------------
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LibraSparkle
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posted August 31, 2004 03:09 AM
Exactly Archer! Many of the people who have suffered the death penalty could have been educated and received psychological help. If we were only to help these dark souls to turn light again, execution would be eradicated.IP: Logged |
aqua
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posted August 31, 2004 02:38 PM
archer u said its a state of mind but if its the other way even good can be a state of mind.AJ- a beautiful thought.it says the same thing as the story footsteps.have u heard it?? IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted August 31, 2004 02:57 PM
Ah!! I say it to myself ALL THE TIME ... when I ask WHY!!!!!!!!!!!Why are there only one set of footprints? Because the Lord was carrying me. IP: Logged |
libraman
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posted August 31, 2004 06:14 PM
Fine, capitol punishment is bad.
But has anybody thought about the family of the victimes? those who might seek revenge?
If they found out that the murderer of the man's wife, or the raper of the father's child, or whoever, has been set free after psycho-therapy, then the victim's relative will become the evil, and will seek revenge by hand, not by law, and a new series of murders will begin.
The historical idea about capitol punishment was to calm the victim's relatives and friends, and not only revenge or punishment. Otherwise crime would spread in the name of justice.
Before you speak your mind about capitol punishment, you should decide on which side you should be, Justice? or Good? these are 2 different concepts.IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted August 31, 2004 07:22 PM
And people who've had loved ones murdered brutally should be the MOST listened to people.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted September 01, 2004 02:46 AM
Libraman,I have to respecttully disagree with you here. I am of the opinion that only seeing things in black and white (or justice vs. good) is a closed minded perception. I also think it to be quite emtionally immature. Revnege? Well, revenge is unhealthy anyhow. The families? Well, yes, they need healing as well.... but killing the offender of the crime doesn't bring about any healing for the affected family. That healing process is on them. The healing family, for their own good, must learn to forgive. If the don't forgive, it doesn't affect anyone but them. The offending person isn't affected by their anger or need for revenge... nor is he/she affected by their forgiveness. Those feelings affect the person with the feelings only. No one else. IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted September 01, 2004 02:55 AM
One way you "get back" as a victim is by not letting evil get away with doing any more damage.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted September 01, 2004 03:40 AM
... or yet another way is to not be a victim at all, but be a survivor  IP: Logged |
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