posted January 09, 2005 04:02 PM              

Chiron in Pisces or the Twelfth House: It's a little hard to describe Chiron in Pisces, because the crisis it creates is on a level of "Universal Consciousness". There are often religious or spiritual crises related to this placement, because the native feels more connected to the spiritual or "God" level than to the physical or material plane. The native can be drawn to angelic imagery, and they are often psychic, empathic or exhibit healing ability. Depression and drug usage are a risk, because these individuals are so psychically sensitive. Working to help or heal others can be healing to this placement, but it can also be harmful if they are not sufficiently mature to handle dealing with the stress. The native can benefit from the study of psychic protection.

posted January 09, 2005 04:22 PM              

I also have Chiron in Taurus, in the fifth and its Rx. I just turned 26, thats odd how we are all around the same age. I was also very close to my maternal grandma, loved her more than anybody in the world. I dreamt of her passing the same night it happened, it was/is really sad for me. Sparkles, I also feel she is watching over me from wherever she may be.

posted January 09, 2005 06:00 PM            

My Fiance, Mr. Taurus has Chiron in Aries conjuncting his Jupiter in the 12th house.

Basically, his Chiron / jupiter conjunction falls in my 7th house and forms a conjunction with my Chiron and Moon (which falls in his 12th house).

posted January 09, 2005 07:21 PM            

I actually keep pitying myself because I never fulfilled my dreams of greatness... I fight hard but it never comes out quite the way I wanted. No achievement is ever good enough... I should be working in the NASA right now, or being a high executive of a multinational doing business all over the world... I always dreamt of success of the first class... but at the end of the day I´m just another mediocre person struggling with a boring life... I suffer from lack of admiration... But after my last failure, I´m starting to consider that people admire you more for your failures, because you appear human, because you fight and survive, you become strong and wise, brave... Pure success only inspires envy, a kind of detatchment...

Maybe all that pain is just beneficial because it keeps me fighting, growing... Maybe this Chiron position makes me aware of the human limitation, of the mediocrity of human life and the glorious glow of falling and standing up again. You only can learn from failure...

posted January 09, 2005 07:54 PM              

Mine is Aries, in the 4th, I never feel at home and I'm always wandering,

posted January 10, 2005 10:47 AM            

Apparently, according to that article, Chiron in Taurus affects the 5th chakra (the throat). This is about self-expression and talking. I have it open according to the test... But I do remember a time when I used to repress my feelings and not talk much... I was afraid of being disliked... People used to point out my silence... I was always so quiet... Fortunately, my throat has opened up since I went abroad to live... Over there I didn´t care much of what others thought of me and as a foreigner, I felt entitled to be different and speak up my difference...

Curiously, I used to be always ill with throat diseases... I often had tonsillitis, infections and high fever. That propension disappeared when I moved abroad, even when it was a colder and more humid place and I have never suffered from it again... I wonder if a blocked 5th chakra was physically making me ill...

Now that I´m back, I´m going back to my quiet days, not as much though... I wonder if I will start having problems with my throat again...

Chiron in the 5th house, house of Leo, will affect the 4th chakra (the heart)... Actually I have it quite under-active... That makes me cold and distant... And yes, I appear that way to the outside world... I have been badly wounded there over the years and emotionally speaking I don´t trust anyone... I feel a complete lack of love around me. With Chiron in Taurus there, I live permanently heartbroken... My romantic life (the 5th house rules romance) has been a complete disaster and the wound keeps growing deeper... Any idea of how to heal that?

Another chakra I have very under-active is the 1st (the root)... What is that related to?

I suppose:

1st chakra – The root – Genitals – Scorpio/8th house?
2nd chakra – The sacral – Lower back – Sagittarius/9th house?
3rd chakra – The navel – Solar plexus area – Virgo/6th house?
4th chakra – The heart – Heart – Leo/5th house?
5th chakra – The throat – Throat – Taurus/2nd house?
6th chakra – The Third Eye – between the eyes – Aries/1st house?
7th chakra – The crown – top of the head - ???

posted January 10, 2005 11:38 AM            

Go to the box with a red banner called “ Astrodienst Free Horoscopes” and click on “More Free Horoscopes”. Then you will be forwarded to another page where there is a list of all the free options.

Click on “Chart drawing, Ascendant”, quite at the bottom of the list...

You will have to enter your data.

Close to the chart drawing, there is a yellow box with the position of all planets and luminaries, included Chiron...

This is the way I did it...

posted January 10, 2005 11:59 AM              

'Chiron
One of the most recently discovered heavenly bodies is a planetoid named Chiron. Although there are differences of opinion over the actual classification of this body (some claim it's a comet or an asteroid), its power is widely acknowledged. It was first sighted in 1977 on its trek between Saturn and Uranus.
The Planet was named after Chiron, the Centaur (see Sagittarius). In Greek Mythology, Chiron's mother was a water-nymph who, while trying to run from Zeus' amorous overtures, turned herself into a horse. She did not escape, however, and Zeus impregnated her. When she gave birth, she was shocked to see that her newborn was half horse, half boy. The mother was so terrified that she prayed to the gods to be changed into a tree. Her wish was granted. Thus, both of Chiron's parents abandoned him. Instead of dwelling on that, though, he became a skilled teacher and healer. One day, while he was handing a poisoned arrow to a student, it dropped and pierced his leg. Since his father was a god, he was immortal, so he could not die. In terrible pain, he prayed to the gods to let him die. They, in gratitude for his teachings, let him out of his misery and placed him in the sky.

Chiron is the wounded healer. This Planetoid is for everyone who, rather than giving in to despair amid their own suffering, reaches out so others will not have to experience the pain they've felt. Many people who have had a painful childhood grow up to be psychiatrists or therapists so that they can help other people get through the same things that hurt them. Parents who have lost children to drunk drivers go on to form support groups so that other parents know they are not alone. These people feel the influence of charitable Chiron. It can be healing for a person to help others cope with a pain that they themselves have lived through.' http://www.astrology.com/aboutastrology/interpreting/planets/chiron.html?arrivalSA=1&cobrandRef=0&arrival_freqCap=2

'C H I R O N
Chiron is here to help us evolve and spread our wings, to make us realize we are all part of the whole as well as an individual self with sovereignty and autonomy. We are at the point in our evolution where we must comprehend humanity as an ocean of spiritual individuals without losing our identity. This is not a new idea even though we have not been able to comprehend it before. Spirit is the intangible space which forms matter according to its ability to make use of consciousness. Saturn wants boundaries to maintain individuality and tangible identity while Uranus wants to break through these walls to freedom and an expanded universe. Chiron encompasses both of them, indicating that we do not loose our identity or our freedom in a wider context. It gives access to ways out and beyond whatever the body it transits represents. It enlarges your options by pointing in directions you have been unable to recognize without also cutting you off completely from where you have been and whatever security you feel is necessary to your survival.

This may vary with different individuals and different times. It is related to time in ways that also makes time irrelevant when it would otherwise be limiting. It increases our ability to exercise some control over forces moving either toward or away with scientific knowledge and hidden power even though the scientific knowledge has not been scientifically checked out but is nevertheless verifiable. Chiron is here to make us more aware of the part "the other" plays in our lives.' http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/chiron.htm
This site is excellant, but about transits! It has descriptions for Chiron in the signs/houses.

WOW! This is alot of info!!

'Chiron --- Symbolically Speaking

Chiron is an asteroid 'out there' in our solar system. From Greek myths, he was a centaur, half man and half horse (the same glyph that is used for Sagittarius constellation as well as the zodiac sign). He is symbolically seen as a shaman, the wounded healer. And, as a shape-shifter; being able to change shape from man to animal, to bird, reptile, or whatever was needed for the occasion. Chiron was a master healer and master teacher. He underlies the shamanic experience completely; being wounded and then working/walking through our woundedness experience and come out (survive) the other side of it and being able to heal ourselves. This is a powerful way for a person to learn and experience a certain wounding (example: being raped, low self-esteem, being abused spiritually, mentally, emotionally and/or physically, coming out of a dysfunctional family, being an alcoholic, a drug user, etc, etc.)

Whatever Chiron gives us, we have already
agreed to take it on before we ever came into
this earthly existence, into this body, this life-
time, to work with and through.

Chiron can also "give" us a wound; and it can come in the form of any of the above or it can be a chronic or acute disease. It can be a car accident where we are badly injured or have a near-death experience, or become paralyzed or in some way, limited in range of movements or motion. Whatever Chiron gives us, we have already agreed to take it on before we ever came into this earthly existence, into this body, this lifetime, to work with and through. The beauty of such a wound is that once it is worked through, the rewards and new level of comprehension and the wealth of compassion that yeilds out from it, are incalcuable and priceless.

For example, a person who was born into an alcoholic family will, more than likely set themselves up to "attract" alcoholic mates/spouse(s). At some point, this person will (either in this life or many lives) work through this type of wounding and come out the other side of it. The soul has learned through the process of doing and experiencing. It has also garnered the self-knowledge, understanding and experience of "been there, done that." And this is a crucial element of Chiron: in order for us to have compassion for others, having been there, done that, affords us a precious perspective that is gained in no other way. If you were alcoholic, only you can understand the depth and parameters of such a wound. You can, after being successful with this wound and healing yourself, turn around and help others through this same process. You will, in essence, be giving them the gift of your own experience, lessons, mistakes and good choices you made that got you through it alive and in a more healthy position than you were previously.

Chiron was a master healer. He trained the elite of Greek god/goddess-dom in how to use herbs, use first aid, how to tend a wound and to incorporate a wholistic approach to the field of healing in general. Chiron bestows upon us, either consciously or unconsciously, our ability to know intuitively what will heal us. There are many "tools" out there--but only certain ones that will catalyze us and help us to take the step toward health that is correct for us and our vibration. Chiron points the way and yields out information, a person, a magazine article, an Internet post, or knowledge for this person in a way that can help them proceed forward with their healing.

On another level, Liz Greene who wrote The Mythic Tarot, places Chiron as the Heirophant who is everyone's inner teacher and healer. I have said for a long time that we all have the ability to heal ourselves if we will begin the inner journey into ourselves. And this is Chiron's turf. If you will take the plunge into yourself (and not keep going to outer/external teachers) but TRUST yourself in your own knowing, then Chiron will assist you in this journey. This is a very shamanic perspective, too, because shamans, when they journey into non ordinary landscape are not doing an astral out-of-body flight or experience. They are doing an inner journey; opening themselves up (this implies a high level of trust within themselves as well as trusting their inner spirit guides completely) and they do this on TRUST and FAITH. Chiron, if we initiate our inner journey, will teach us to trust and have faith in ourselves--and this is one of the biggest keys to healing that is so often over looked in the healing process. To heal, we must go deep into ourselves, into the uncharted psyche of our unconscious landscape, connect and work with those symbols and archetypes that yield out in our dream state or in our meditative or shamanic journey states. THOSE are the real keys and answers to our wellness and our becoming a more spiritually "whole" (more in balance/harmony) with ourselves.

... most of us defer to people or "experts" outside of us to give us the answers we're desperately seeking. Chiron tells us that, no, the answers you seek aren't in the outer world--they are in your inner world of yourself.
Chiron also instills, with this inner journey work, a KNOWING. How many of you "know without knowing" how you know? So many of you, for sure. Yet, do you TRUST what you know? Probably not. Chiron is here to put you in touch with your inner knowing and to begin the process of TRUSTING yourself to move on this knowing. Yes, it is what I call "blind-faith-knowing"--you can't see where you're going or why...you're like a bloodhound on a scent you can only smell, but can't see or know the end of where the trail leads. And like the dog, you instinctively and on a PRIMAL level, follow it. If you do, only positive and healthy things will come of it. The trick is getting YOU to trust YOU.

No one knows more about you than you. Yet, most of us defer to people or "experts" outside of us to give us the answers we're desperately seeking. Chiron tells us that, no, the answers you seek aren't in the outer world--they are in your inner world of yourself. If a person puts too much of their power and energy into an outer teacher; they will inevitably be disappointed by them and they will never measure up; nor will they give you all that you expect them to give to you. Such is the nature of an outer teacher. They may try their best, but they will always fail or fall short for you. Why? Because all humans are imperfect. We all have our own wounds that we're working through and where there is a wound(s) there is darkness that light is not going to penetrate cleanly and accurately.

Chiron asks us, this December and January, to being our inner journey within ourselves. Those who have the most opportunity to do this are Sagittarian and Gemini folks. But if Chiron conjuncts your Ascendant, you will draw people into you who will some how assist, catalyze or give you permission to begin your inner journey. If you have Chiron on your Midheaven, then those in your career field will take on this part of a teacher/catalyst for you.

The Weak Side of Chiron --- the "Heavy" energy expression

If the person chooses not to use the light energy expression of Chiron, then they will experience the heavy energy side. If we refuse to change, grow, or heal with Chiron's pressuring us, then we can become scattered, spacy/ungrounded and diffused to the point where we stand and feel nothing but confusion. You will not be able to fight your way out of a paper bag, so to speak. Chiron is not going to let you go anywhere if you don't want to move forward into your own, personal inner journey work. Instead, you'll feel like someone put you in a bank of fog and you can't even see your hand in front of your face. If you choose this direction, expect December of 1999 and January of 2000 to be a 'holding pattern' for you where nothing works and nothing goes right. Just remember: you're at the controls of this process. You can stop at any time, start getting honest and blunt with yourself and make the changes--then, the "fog" will lift and you can move forward.' http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/CHIRPLUT.HTM
Great site!! Packed with info.. including Chiron and Pluto info.

posted January 10, 2005 12:03 PM              

'Chiron was discovered in 1977. It has a strange orbit that lies between Saturn and Uranus, strange because it actually crosses over the orbits of those planets. For that reason astronomers concluded that Chiron could not have been there for more than two million years because it would have either crashed into one of them, or been caught by their gravitational pull and become a moon.
Some astrologers think that Chiron has an affinity for the sign of Virgo because, in Greek mythology, Chiron was a healer. Well Virgo doesn't rule healing. Scorpio does. According to legend, Chiron also taught the martial arts. Would that give an affinity for Aries? Of course not. Let's face it folks. The method of using mythological metaphors to do scientific research does have its limitations, to say the least. For one thing, many asteroids and planetoids have numbers, not names. Did you ever hear about any mythology for asteroid number D573N?

There are no shortcuts for doing the hard work of research, but the payoff is that our conclusions are on solid ground. For instance, the late Joanna Shannon told me that she had noticed the presence of stressful aspects to Chiron (both natally and by transit) in the horoscopes of rape victims. I also came across two cases. Check out all of the legends. Chiron was not a rapist.

The house and sign position of Chiron show several things:

~It is an indicator of where we have problems that tend to keep recurring, in one form or another, throughout our lives. Amateur astrologers frequently upset people by telling them something like, "Oh, this is where you're wounded and it will never go away!" It is important to remember that every indicator in the horoscope, including this one, has a positive (as well of a negative) side, and the first thing to remember when giving a reading is: Don't make things worse by scaring people to death! As with any other horoscope factor, Chiron has a positive as well as a negative side. For one thing, it shows where we may teach and help others. And, yes, Chiron problems can be dealt with and solved.
It shows where we can do things better for others than we can for ourselves.
Chiron shows where we can have an affinity for teaching, but, ironically, that is where we can teach others how to do things better than we can do them ourselves. This can be maddening if that happens to be an area in which we want to excel.
The descriptions of Chiron placements and aspect sometimes look suspiciously like those for Saturn. Both seem to indicate problems and obstacles that need to be overcome.

Why should this be, and what, if anything, is the difference between the two?

~ Saturn shows our fears. It is the area where we tend to suffer what is called "bad luck." As a result, this is the area where our defenses are up, where we feel cautious, and where we can get stuck. Frequently, we can get to work here and make the area that was our weak point a tower of strength instead. Chiron's orbit actually crosses the orbit of Saturn, so it should come as no surprise that are some similarities in the effect it has on us. But Chiron's orbit crosses the orbit as Uranus as well. Wherever Saturn is, we have to work long and hard to solve the problems. With Chiron, the problems must also be dealt with by insight (Uranus). The catch is that if we don't follow up these insights with more work (Saturn) the problems come back.

The house position shows the particular area of our life where these things will manifest. The sign position shows how they tend to work out. What follows is a brief introduction to Chiron in the horoscope. If you would like to see an in depth analysis, the best book on the subject (in my opinion) is Chiron and the Healing Journey by Melanie Reinhart. The Real Key to Dealing With Chiron Problems:

~ The only way to get the benefits of the sign and house that Chiron is in, or those of the planets that Chiron aspects, is to confront and deal with your own inner wounds.

Chiron in the 1st house: Chiron here can make you like a knight in shining armor, always ready to fight for the underdog. Usually, while you are doing this, you are neglecting yourself. You could also be a wise councilor (especially in health matters) but you seem to have trouble taking your own advice. A 1st house Chiron can be a gifted teacher, and, of course, you can teach others how to do something better than you can do it yourself. A neat trick to get around this: Give yourself advice as if you were someone else. Then maybe you will take it.

Chiron in the 2nd house: Chiron teaches and gives advise. The 2nd house is money, possessions, and values. You can show other people how to take care of their money better than you take care of your own. In fact, your own finances could be a mess. Sometimes, this placement can make for a miser, but the money collected never brings any pleasure or get rid of the inner fear that there will be no resources. Most likely, this is because the person has a low sense of self-worth and feels that they don't really deserve any money or possessions. In other cases, they may squander or give away what they have for the same reason. It is important to remember that if there are problems with money or possessions, that these are most likely not the real issue. The sense of self-worth is the key here.

Chiron in the 3rd house: If you don't have any brothers or sisters, you may experience this Chiron placement as a lack, a hole in your life. If you do, then there could be continual problems with at least one sibling. This is a good placement for a voice coach or speech therapist. It is likely that you will be able to teach others to speak better than you do. This placement tends to increase the chance of communication problems of one sort or another. No, it does not guarantee a speech defect. Instead, there could be problems with making oneself understood. In some cases, this could indicate that one wasn't listened to as a child. That could trigger a lifelong quest to "make others listen to me." However, no matter how much they do, there is frequently a feeling that "they are still not listening." The problem is that no matter how much they listen to you now, it doesn't get rid of the pain you felt in childhood when they didn't. Mercury/Chiron stress aspects are likely to produce the same result. Recognizing this is a first step to leaving the pain behind.

Chiron in the 4th house: Well, just about everyone had some trouble or other in childhood with their parents. Chiron in the 4th house will just make it a little more noticeable. The home itself would tend to be an issue here. Perhaps one is so busy outside the home that they cannot spend much time there, or their work forces them to travel and be away frequently. The father is more likely to have been chronically ill, away from home, or emotionally unavailable. Perhaps there could be a "don't feel at home anywhere" attitude. Chiron in the 4th house might work out in other ways as well. This placement could conceivably show a person who can help everyone else with their home, while their own place is a wreck.

Chiron in the 5th house: If you need romantic advice, go to someone who has Chiron in the 5th house. Please don't ask them about their own love life, as that would embarrass them. You can also go to people who have this placement for advise on children, sports and games, gambling, and the stock market. Realistically, one does have to look at the rest of the chart because, after all, about one out of twelve people have this Chiron. And you wouldn't, of course, ask a five-year old who had it for advise. But this placement is generally good for counseling in those areas. Just remember to do as they say, but don't do as they do. Chiron in the 5th house can make for folks who are great coaches, helping players to perform better than they themselves could. It could also show people who are great with kids, but either have chronic troubles with their own, or have none of their own. This can be an indicator that you can train your children to be happier and more successful than you ever could. Watch out though. If Chiron is afflicted, you will drive your kids to succeed in the areas that you would have liked to succeed in but that they don't really like at all. The most frustrating one is the great lover who can always satisfy their partner better than they themselves could be satisfied.

Chiron in the 6th house: You can always help (or teach) co-workers do the job better than you can do it. Perhaps you are a whiz at helping everyone else get healthy (the 6th house rules health) while you still smoke and eat junk food. Learn to take care of yourself every now and then. Sometimes it works out in the opposite fashion. Someone with a 6th house Chiron might demand that everyone else serve them, and they are usually never satisfied. Of course, obviously, this causes problems too. And oh yes, let us not forget the tendency toward eating disorders. This can also manifest as strange likes and dislikes in the food department.

Chiron in the 7th house: This one might spend all of their time taking care of a partner who has some debility. It is also someone who gives great advise on marriage, while their own marriage is on the rocks (or they might not even be married). This can work for business partnerships as well. You can take great care of a partner and teach them how to do the business better than you ever could. Watch out that they don't dump you as soon as they learn all that they can from you.

Chiron in the 8th house: What a great sex therapist you can be. A more likely scenario is that you have the ability to bring out the sexual best in a romantic partner, while giving yourself the short end of the stick (no pun intended). But the 8th house rules more than sex. You could also get stuck with taking care of partnership resources because "you're so good at it," or, conversely, keep getting partners who want to "take care" of it and do you out of your fair share. Perhaps you become too dependent on money from others for support, or too much of what you earn goes to support others. You might tend to accept other people's values (your family, group or society) too readily. One other thing. The myth of Chiron can actually come alive with this placement. You could have a talent for healing or rehabilitating others, but not yourself.

Chiron in the 9th house: Perfect for a travel agent who sends everyone else on fantastic trips while they are stuck in the office doing the booking, or a publisher or writing teacher who gets everyone else's books before the public, while secretly longing to write and publish their own. Parents with this placement of Chiron frequently tend to push their children to pursue the higher education that they themselves never had a chance to get. Negatively, this could mean forcing them into studying what the parents wished that they had studied, and not what the kids really want. There could also be jealousy here (Saturn) and the parents could actually take steps to deprive their children of higher education.
The 9th house also rules religion. Sometimes this leads to thinking that the fanatic pursuit of some religious doctrine will cure all of one's inner wounds. This could also manifest as obsessive travel or study.

Chiron in the 10th house: Career and public prestige are the battlegrounds with this placement of Chiron. Yes, this is a great placement for running an organization in the medical or healing field, but frequently, no matter what the career, someone with a 10th house Chiron will feel that they are taking care of everybody and everything else except themselves. As usual, there will frequently be an uncanny ability to help everyone else succeed better than they could ever have done themselves. It could also work out the other way. There may be a total rejection of any sort of ambition or responsibility, most likely due to fear of failure. Perhaps the parents pushed you too hard to succeed and really got on your case when you slipped up (or even when you didn't). The other side of the coin is that some parents don't want their children to succeed and always put them down. You can get either reaction to an upbringing of that nature: a compulsive need to achieve or a rejection of any success or responsibility.

Chiron in the 11th house: The problem areas are friends, hopes, and wishes. On the one hand, there could be difficulty having or holding on to friends, or a fear of crowds or groups. On the other hand, one may compulsively seek out friends (or join groups, especially groups that want to change society) in order to compensate for inner fears of loneliness. You might get more than your share of "friends" who take advantage and drain you. More often, you give to friends whether they want it or not because this gives you a feeling of control (Saturn). But you could be the drainer here, always asking things of friends in order to compensate for a psychological neediness that never seems to be filled.

Chiron in the 12th house: As always, Chiron shows where we can do more for others than ourselves. A 12th house Chiron may compulsively try to take care of the poor the sick, and the unfortunate while neglecting their own needs and those of their own family. Conversely, there may be malingering and the person with this placement may themselves always seem in "need" because of one (frequently self-caused) "problem" after another. This placement tends to make a person feel tired and fatigued. If you have this one, be sure to get plenty of rest.

Chiron in the Signs:

Chiron in Aries: Aries is the sign of selfhood and with Chiron here the sense of self may be weakened. Melanie Reinhart in Chiron and the Healing Journey says that sometimes the person feels as if they don't exist and have to take their sense of identity from others. I mentioned this to a friend who had Chiron in Aries opposing her Ascendant, and she said that it was true for her. She frequently felt that way. At the time, she was on her third marriage (there was also one live-in relationship), as she couldn't bear to be alone. Having a partner (opposition to the Ascendant) was the way she dealt with that feeling of non-being.

Chiron in Taurus: Taurus is the sign of money and resources and it shows our ability to possess things. It also shows what we instinctively value, including ourselves. This is the sign that gives us our gut level sense of self-worth. Chiron here can give us a miser's urge to hold on to every penny while denying ourselves any of life's pleasures, or a rejection of "those low, materialistic values" and, consequently, a life of poverty. And guess what? Deep down inside, both are the same. They both deny themselves pleasure and enjoyment because they don't value themselves. Of course, as always with Chiron, there is the ability to give good advise to everyone else concerning their material needs and sense of self worth. People with Chiron in Taurus have to learn how to enjoy the basic physical pleasures of life. They won't be able to do this, however, until they deal with their damaged sense of self-worth.

Chiron in Gemini: Gemini is communications. Those with Chiron here may talk compulsively, or, on the other hand, seldom speak. Both were, most likely, never listened to as children. The only difference is one keeps trying while the other gave up. This sounds something like Chiron in the third house, and, of course, there are similarities. Remember though, that the sign position shows how something acts while the house position shows where in your life it will manifest. Let's take a look at an example. Suppose you have two horoscopes in front of you. One has Chiron in Taurus in the 3rd house. The other has Chiron in Gemini in the 2nd house. Yes, there are similarities. You could say that both will spend a lot of time talking about money, possessions, and values. Both could be quite good at giving financial advice. What's the difference? The one with the Taurus Chiron in the 3rd house will tend to talk in a slower, methodical, and more practical way because that's how Taurus influences function. They would also tend to give financial advice that is conservative and rock solid. The person with Chiron in Gemini in the 2nd house, by contrast, could just as easily talk about trivial financial matters. Or they may constantly shift from one financial topic to another. They would be more likely to give financial advice that is based on the latest up to date information (or the latest fad). It is always good to keep in mind the difference between where a planet works and how.

Chiron in Cancer: The superficial interpretation would be that there were childhood troubles with the mother. Brilliant deduction. Hey, who didn't have some childhood problems with both parents? The real key here is how we dealt with it. The positive part of Chiron in Cancer is that you can be very nurturing. This is a very good position for therapists and caregivers of any sort. The negative side is that you find it difficult to nurture yourself or let others nurture you. Everybody has some degree of difficulty in growing up and severing that psychological umbilical cord with mama. Chiron in Cancer people tend to take a longer time than most to do the job. Once you do this, though, and learn to accept as well as give nurturing, you should be fine. So stop whining and complaining.

Chiron in Leo: Chiron in Leo people have the ability to help others with their creativity. They could make good art teachers or art therapists. On the negative side, it could be an indicator that, as children, their creativity was either stifled or over stimulated. Some were blocked or ridiculed, ("Are you kidding? You'll never be a professional baseball player, or musician, or artist") while others were pushed by ambitious parents who liked to live through the child ("Hey, come to the Little League game and watch my kid play third base" or "My child is starring in the school play today"). Children may react by either trying extra hard to please Mommy and Daddy (even if they don't like their particular creative field) or they will shut down and stifle their own creative urge. The treatment for these Chiron problems is to get in touch with your own inner creative child again and relearn how to create for fun.

Chiron in Virgo: Virgo in our horoscope shows where we can best deal with details, and how we deal with matters of health and general well being. Chiron placed here can produce a person who is excessively critical, obsessed with insignificant details, and cleanliness. Conversely, they may simply give up the struggle and be absolutely horrible when it comes to organizing, doing a decent job, or keeping clean. Hypochondria is also a possibility, but you could also get a person who neglects their own health while giving excellent advise about it to everyone else. Perhaps there was excessive criticism in their childhood.

Chiron in Libra: Relationships are affected by this placement. Libra shows the place in our life where we need (and usually want) to cooperate. With Chiron placed here, one possibility is that we could shun any cooperation and isolate ourselves (shades of the opposite sign, Aries). Another possibility is a partner who manages to open up our old psychological wounds (or causes some new ones). Conversely, the person with this placement could be the one to open other people's old wounds. Lots of times, Chiron in Libra people will desperately want a partner, but once they get one, they will drive them away.

Chiron in Scorpio: The issue here is power. Those with Chiron in Scorpio may fear their own power and try to suppress it. Conversely, they may feel powerless and try to cover this up by acting strong (even to the point of being a bully). Sex is only one way this may work out, and yes, having compulsive sex is one possibility. Another is an avoidance of sex because it's too "dangerous" (they may try to dominate me). This would be a perfect placement for a sex therapist who can help everyone else with their sexual problems but cannot help themselves. Inheritance matters may also be a sore point. Problems and upsets would tend to come with it.

Chiron in Sagittarius: Sagittarius has to do with our ability to get the "big picture" and our ability to judge. The negative side of the sign is that it may show where we do not listen to anyone else because we already "understand" it all. For instance, if Chiron is in Sagittarius in the 2nd house (money) we may not listen to financial advice from others. We would be too busy giving our own. Always double-check any advice given to you by someone with Chiron in Sagittarius, especially if they claim to be an expert on the subject. Those with this Chiron placement who seem to be more modest and don't try to push their views on you are more likely to be the ones who give good advice.

Chiron in Capricorn: Capricorn has to do with our ability to control and organize. Chiron here can make you over organized and compulsively controlling. Conversely, there could be rebellion against being organized at all. As always, Chiron seems to do best when aimed outward, toward others. This is a good placement for an efficiency expert, or for someone whose career involves helping others organize things.

Chiron in Aquarius: This can be a sort of Svengali placement. You may have a genius for helping other people express their genius. Aquarius (being an air sign) rules ideas. Its specialty is new, far-out, revolutionary, shocking, and bizarre ideas, the ones that society hasn't caught up with yet. As always with Chiron, someone with this placement may be devoted totally to radical, new systems of thought, or reject them entirely. In both cases, they may not even consider other points of view. The solution lies in remembering that Chiron serves as a bridge between Saturn (everything old and conservative) and Uranus (out with the old, in with the new, and do it damn fast). Don't stick blindly with the old, but don't throw it out before you think about it first. Look for a way to blend the old with the new and you will make a start to dealing with your Chiron in Aquarius.

Chiron in Pisces: If you have this placement, make an extra effort to get rid of your unearned guilt. And please don't wander the world looking for people to "save," at least not until you have saved yourself first. Be careful of a tendency to play the "victim" yourself (or, more likely, to BE the victim). You do have the ability, however, to help everyone else be more imaginative and creative. In fact, doing that could be an excellent antidote for dealing with the negative side of this placement.

Chiron in Aspect:

Chiron and the Sun: The effects can be similar to Chiron in Leo (which is ruled by the Sun). Chiron aspects to the Sun can make you feel "special." There is frequently a strong sense of being here for some grand "purpose" or other. There is an ability to help others with their creativity and self-expression, but if you have this aspect, make sure not to neglect your own. Negatively, there could be an increased sensitivity to criticism of any sort. Learn to take it without feeling like you are being attacked or that they all hate you.

Chiron and the Moon: When you were a kid, did you have the feeling that your mother wanted to be doing something else instead of take care of you? One of the negative effects of Chiron in aspect to the Sun (mentioned above) is difficulty in accepting criticism. By contrast, with Chiron aspecting the Moon, you can think you are being criticized you even when you are not, and then you react to this imaginary "attack." Of course there will also be the tendency to "mother" others and help them with their emotional expression. Be careful not to smother while you mother.

Chiron and Mercury: The positive side of this combination is increased ability to communicate and teach, to stir the minds of others. These aspects can really be inspirational. But, you could feel that you have just communicated brilliantly when you actually didn't. Conversely, you might feel that your communication bombed when it was really right on target.

Chiron and Venus: Please try to get some pleasure for yourself in a relationship instead of always helping your partner to open up. Chiron/Venus aspects can make for a great art teacher who (as always with Chiron) can teach their students to create art better than they themselves could ever do. These aspects are also good for giving great financial advice (Venus rules Taurus, the money sign) while one's own handling of money matters is a disaster area.

Chiron and Mars: The difficulties here involve aggression and assertiveness. People with these aspects could be ultra aggressive as a cover for feelings of inadequacy, or, conversely, behave passively to conceal inner rage and hostility. To resolve Chiron/Mars problems, the trick is to find a balance point between the two (shades of Libra, the sign opposite Mars-ruled Aries). This is a perfect position for a coach who can teach (Chiron) others how to perform athletic feats that they themselves could never do.

Chiron and Jupiter: The stressful aspects (square, opposition, and sometimes the conjunction) can produce a person who has all the answers. Just ask them. The problem is that the crusading tendencies are usually a cover to keep from facing up to one's own inner problems. Conversely, there may be a total lack of faith or optimism. The cure in both cases is to confront the inner wounds that are really underlying the outward behavior. A big danger with this placement is that one can become a guru groupie or a seer sucker. People with Chiron/Jupiter aspects can also have the ability to inspire others more than they can inspire themselves. Indeed, they can fill others with optimism even when they themselves feel pessimistic and depressed.

Chiron and Saturn: Saturn organizes and controls. The person with a Chiron/Saturn aspect will tend to be compulsively controlling and over organized. The reason could a fear of letting go, or perhaps they are still trying to please an over restrictive parent. The other side of the coin would be someone who is highly disorganized and sloppy, or seems too fearful or depressed to make a move. A high colonic would be helpful here to remove that lead pipe (Saturn) from their rear end.

Chiron and Uranus: This type of person is the one who can say things like: "Be for peace, or I'll kill you!" The tendency is to love people in the abstract, but not in the flesh. They love the ideal of brotherhood and sisterhood of all people. It's relating to actual, live, real human beings that turns them off. This is because relating requires them to show some feelings, a concept they find alien and icky. But feelings and emotions are exactly what have to be worked on here. The Chiron/Uranus individual may produce brilliant works of genius while all the time feeling stupid. More often, they will come up with off the wall ideas that they claim are works of genius. Chiron/Uranus people may be completely "Uranian," constantly mouthing shocking opinions, or they may go to the opposite extreme and be against anything that is new in any way. If they manage to keep themselves grounded, in contact with reality and their own emotions, their true genius can flow freely.

Chiron and Neptune: Neptune rules dreams, imagination, and intuition. On the negative side, it shows where we try to avoid any reality that we find unpleasant. Sometimes this can manifest as a rejection of anything "mystical." Or the other extreme could come out and produce someone who can't make a move without consulting a psychic. The intuitive powers may feel blocked. Conversely, they may be active with a vengeance and constantly contradict the "logical" conclusions that are reached. Chiron/Neptune could make for someone who constantly "malingers" and avoids all unpleasant situations (anything requiring work or contact with reality). The alternative is a person who is hard working, "responsible" in a very conventional way, and suppresses their imaginative-creative side. Then, all of a sudden, they become an alcoholic, drug addict, or have a mental breakdown of some sort. They could also fall in "love" with someone who has these problems (or who is a con artist) and get completely drained, even ruined. A perfect example of this comes from the world of literature: the professor that Marlene Dietrich's character ruined in "The Blue Angel." The way to deal with Chiron/Neptune is to strike a balance, to let the Neptune genie out of the bottle in a constructive way, to give vent to the sympathy and imagination without giving up reality. If you've been repressing the Neptune, take a class in art (or better yet, dance). Do some volunteer charity work. If you happen to be the malingering type of Chiron/Neptune, your cover is blown. The malingering is not the real problem. It is the smokescreen you put up to hide your real problems. Wake up and deal with them.

Chiron and Pluto: Pluto is like a super version of Mars. One of the main differences is that Mars is usually open and overt, while Pluto rules hidden, subconscious forces that build unseen and then explode with volcanic power. On the negative side, Chiron/Pluto aspects can (like Chiron/Mars) cause one to be an aggressive bully. But Mars will just push others around; Pluto wants to totally dominate. A highly negative example is Francisco Assis, the Brazilian serial killer, who has the opposition of Chiron to his 5th house placement of Pluto. The 5th house rules romance. Let me remind you again that one aspect by itself does not make for a mass murderer. There are very few serial killers in the world, but because Chiron and Pluto both move slowly, almost everyone born in that same year had this aspect, and that could mean over a million people. The reason Chiron/Pluto can cause one to act in a domineering manner is to compensate for subconscious fear of being weak and helpless. The cure for this Chiron Pluto type is to confront their own inner feelings of weakness. Conversely, the Pluto power could be suppressed. The result could be someone who is always getting picked on by bullies, or coming out on the wrong end of power struggles. They are afraid of letting their power out. Most likely, when they were children, any release of that tremendous Pluto force caused their parents to come down hard, and Pluto was pushed underground. The cure here is to recognize and take responsibility for one's own power, and to find ways to let it out constructively. A more positive example of Pluto/Chiron is Jonas Salk, the inventor of the first effective anti-polio vaccine. He did not have an aspect between Chiron and Pluto, but he had the Sun opposite the Chiron/Pluto midpoint. In his case, the positive, healing side of both Chiron and Pluto came out dramatically. Another positive example is George Bernard Shaw, who had Chiron in the 9th house (philosophy, publishing, "higher" mental functions) making a square aspect with Pluto in the 12th house (restrictions, "hidden" things). His Chiron was also opposite the Sun and Venus, so the power came out mostly in intellectual matters.

Chiron and the Ascendant: Since the Ascendant is always exactly opposite the Descendant, an aspect to one is also an aspect to the other. This means if you have a Chiron/Ascendant aspect, you must have a Chiron/Descendant aspect as well. As a result, this combination affects the way we start things, our initial approach to the world, and the way people see us (Ascendant). But it also affects the way we relate to others (Descendant). People with Chiron/Ascendant aspects can be great teachers or healers, but there is a wild side that can come to the surface. It becomes easier to "wound" others or be wounded by them. A positive way to use this would be to help others work through their problems.

Rona Barrett, the gossip columnist, is a perfect example. She has Chiron in her 10th house (career) in the sign of Gemini (communications) and it is square her Ascendant. She has made a career out of making the wounds of others (Descendant) public (10th house).

Chiron and the Mid-Heaven: The Mid-Heaven and the Nadir are exactly opposite each other and have to be considered as one axis. Something aspecting one of them will also aspect the other. A Chiron aspect here could affect the career and public image (Mid-Heaven) and the domestic environment as well (Nadir). Relations with both parents are also affected. If there is a conjunction with the MC, the effect is similar to Chiron in the 10th house, and the career could be in a Chiron related field, such as education. If Chiron makes the conjunction from the 9th house side, then any potential Chiron problems would tend to be suppressed and driven into the subconscious. The result could be success in a career that one thinks they like, but is not really satisfying. A similar situation could occur with the opposition to the Mid-Heaven from the 3rd house. In this case, there could be something about the domestic environment that makes one uneasy. The cure for both of these situations is a constant effort to bring the hidden problems to the surface.

Any Chiron aspect to the Mid-Heaven/Nadir axis will affect relations with both parents, but hey, what else is new? Who doesn't have a bone to pick with their parents at one time or another? The real lesson here is to leave the past in the past and get on with our lives. Rona Barrett, the gossip columnist, is a good example here as well. She has Chiron in conjunction with the Mid-Heaven and has become famous by talking about the famous and their problems.' http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html
Really brilliant site!!

posted January 10, 2005 01:02 PM              

Just to say, most ppls charts that Ive seen actually have planet 'clusters' in various houses, altho my Mums is pretty way out, theres almost a star shape in hers!!
I have 3 planets in the 1st house, 3 in 2nd, and then 1 in each 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th. (Just major planets tho, not chiron ect.)

posted January 10, 2005 01:09 PM              

'Left and Right Side of the Chart
If there is a majority of planets on the left side of the horoscope, this is an indication that the person is better able to take initiative. Little is handed to these people on a silver platter, but that doesn’t make any difference. They can go out and get their own platter.
Remember that this is only an indication. If the person happens to have the planet Jupiter very strong, for instance, then they will have both initiative and "good luck". Don’t you just hate people like that?

If there is a majority of planets on the right side of the horoscope, we have what has been facetiously called a Royal Chart. It got this name because these folks can’t seem to get anything going without having someone else involved. And, oh yes, these people do have things handed to them on that proverbial silver platter.
Naturally, the more planets you have on any one side, the stronger the effect will be.
An example of a left sided horoscope (also known as an eastern or oriental horoscope) is the chart of Oprah Winfrey, who has a total of seven planets on the left side of her chart. The planet Jupiter is also strong in her horoscope giving her extra "luck" to go along with the initiative that that the left sided emphasis provides.
An example of a right sided chart is the horoscope of Woodrow Wilson. Sure he got to be President of the United States, but look at how he did it. First, he became governor of New Jersey.
There was a reform movement at the time, and the party big wigs needed a Mr. Clean.
Wilson didn’t start that reform movement. He got the Democratic nomination because the convention was deadlocked. That had nothing to do with him. He won the 1912 election only because Teddy Roosevelt ran as an independent that year and split the Republican vote. That too had nothing to do with Wilson.
He was re-elected in 1916 partly because California came in for him at the last minute because of a local issue. Of course, that had nothing to do with him either.
He tried to do one thing totally on his own. He tried to get America into the League of Nations. He fell flat on his face.
So the moral of the story is, if you have a right handed horoscope, your motto should be: "Why should I do it myself? What did God create other people for?"'

'Top or Bottom

The top half of the horoscope (also called the southern half) represents the part of us that is easily visible. The bottom half (the northern section) shows the part of us that tends to be less visible.

People with top heavy charts tend to be more public, to be more visible out there in the world, Bill Bradley for instance. He was a basketball star and then a U.S. Senator putting his life under constant scrutiny.

People with the majority of planets on the bottom half tend to be more private, but this doesn’t mean that they don’t ever have public lives They are what used to be called "inner directed". Every now and then, they notice that there is a world "out there" and then they can make a terrific impact because nothing anyone else says can make any real impact on their decisions. J. Edgar Hoover is an example of this type. Mel Gibson is another example of a bottom heavy horoscope. Yes, he is a movie star and has a very public life. But he always goes his own way and does his own thin, a good example of inner direction.. He has done everything from action-adventure flicks to Hamlet.'

posted January 10, 2005 02:30 PM              

this is sooo funny/weird. there is a definite TAUREAN (aka self-worth) focus in my life.. i have:

moon in taurus (rather afflicted), north node in the 8th, taurus IC, chiron in taurus.. and, my bf's moon is in taurus conjunct my own, our composite moon is conjunct our chiron, AND in the 2nd.

and it's totally true.. whenever we hurt/argue, we realize that it's related to our own self-worth, and nothing else.. and we reassure the other how much we love eachother, and everything is better and it is so healing and nice!