posted February 17, 2005 12:32 PM              

you are basically correct in your interpretation of the juno-venus synastry aspect...if it gets confusing, just remember that people are like permanent transits, so pretend you have transiting venus on your juno, all the time you are around him. pretend he has transiting juno on his venus, all the time he is around you. this means that first and foremost he wakes up your juno, and you wake up his venus. he gets all lovey-dovey and thinks of pretty, pleasurable things when he's around you (if he's comfortable with his venus, that is) and when you're around him, your feelings of commitment are activated. it works both ways, though! because of the mechanism of projection (attributing aspects of ourselves onto others and experiencing them vicariously) this conjunction crosses over. he may get a strong feeling of juno in himself, a kick or push to commit and settle down with you. you may feel more venusian because of him, boosting your longings for pleasure - with him. this conjunction in taurus is probably very sexy. also, taurus is a fixed sign so consider that when evaluating an aspect. also, his venus is in taurus, right? that's exalted, heightening the position of his venus, so consider that, too. what house is his venus in? look to that, and the condition of the house. what planet rules the house and what house is IT in? are there any other planets in the house venus is in? that's kind of stuff to analyze when trying to determine what kind of response he's having or experiencing. see what i mean? hope this helps ya!

posted February 17, 2005 12:53 PM              

Dear Pixel-Wow. THAT is what I was feeling with this Juno aspect. Thanks for sharing! Congratulations on 7 years...I know that when you are in the right marriage, it gets better each year (yes, even though there are a few days sprinkled here and there that you could do without him!! Ha,ha). When I first met him, I left his office (I was in sales) and called a friend and told her that I had just met someone who was going to be VERY important in my life. That is why I went back the second day. Magical is a great way to describe my feelings...just like you said. For both people at that!! It was something that had never happened like it before...ever. And you are right, it is like knowing someone in a way that you have never met before-and likewise. Did you meet in an unusual way per chance? How do you feel that Uranus affects this contact?

posted February 17, 2005 01:18 PM              

I am ALWAYS amazed when I hear people talk/gush about their union! If more people would wait for that special someone, that special 'knowing', I think so many more people would be happier! I do believe it is about following your intution..and the messages you receive (from wherever it comes from) and really believing your inner voice. The more I tap into it, the more I am guided in the direction of my best interests. Maybe many people are not introspective or intuitive enough to understand and trust their instincts!

I am happy for your stellar week-mine has been excellent as well...just 'lovely'!!

posted February 17, 2005 01:40 PM              

yes, look closely at the condition of his venus - house, aspects, et al.

i am in a listy mood today:

• we know his venus is in taurus and that it is exalted, because venus rules taurus (in addition to libra, of course). this makes venus more important in his nativity.

• consider all of the aspects his venus makes, like the ones you mentioned - venus square pluto (he's intense and possessive in love, may have internal struggles involving venus issues vs. pluto issues); venus sextile jupiter (he's expansive about what he loves); venus sextile uranus (likes excitement and intrigue). in order to simplify the aspects and make them easier to understand, just consider the signs ruled by the planets involved - pluto (scorpio), jupiter (sag), uranus (aqua). then look to the actual aspect - squares indicate possible struggle, sextiles are more harmonious in expression. the square is of a lower harmonic (squares = division of the circle by 4, and sextiles = division of the circle by 6) however, so it's more intensely felt and the allowable orb is a bit wider (i use about 5 for squares generally, and 3 for sextiles). also look at which aspect is tightest, which is applying/separating, et cetera. it will all help to clarify the picture.

(when you say his venus is sextile his jupiter and his uranus, do you mean jupiter and uranus are conjunct? if that's so, that's something to consider...venus sextile jupiter/uranus...the energies of the planets then work together - evoking one evokes all 3...hopefully that makes sense.)

• his venus is in his 3rd house, correct? this is kind of interesting, since i take it you are a gemini sun, right? the 3rd house rules gemini. his venus being in his 3rd house is kind of like having venus in gemini. no wonder he digs you. what sign is on the cusp? is it taurus? if it is, then i'll reiterate here to check all aspects venus makes. venus in the 3rd means communication is very important to him. he'll think nice thoughts of anyone who comes along and values that part of him.

• fixed signs in general are less likely to fluctuate and with venus and juno in fixed signs i would just apply those characteristics to the planetary bodies. venus in taurus can probably be very stubborn - not likely to budge on what he/she finds attractive and/or pleasurable. venus is the pleasure principle and juno is the commitment principle. with juno in a fixed sign like taurus, the native is probably apt to be very adamant about what he/she wants in a commitment.

here's something more on juno that i dont know if youve seen:
http://members.tripod.com/astrology_2000/planets_juno.htm

and here is an awesome article on asteroids:
http://members.aol.com/ladyofclearlake/beginners.html

anyway, hope this helps ya. one thing i've learned, the synastry between 2 people is best understood when you really study each person's natal chart in depth. it's so much fun, and you never stop learning!

posted February 17, 2005 02:53 PM              

Chrissy-This must be my lucky day-you feeling listy!LOL Lucky Me!

Thank you for the lesson. Yes, his jupiter is conjunct his uranus as well! OK-So all three are evoked. Hmmm...do I read this as three separate planets conjuncting each other...as contacts in general? I have read this but am not sure how to apply the three together...because there are sextiles, conjuncts etc..involved. Am I making sense??

His Venus in Taurus, 3rd house is in the last degree of Taurus, cusping Gemini. He is also a Gemini as well. (Pisc Rising and Moon)

An interesting point, the intimacy really began with me writing letters to him. Very deep letters-for some reason I was really compelled to touch him through this mode of communication.

The first note I wrote to him was basic..but he kept it on his desk for several weeks..showing it to me as proof he paid great attention to it! Because he can be shy, he comes across to many people as having a huge wall that no one is let past. I ignored the wall and began writing to him as my way of 'getting through'. These letters I have written seem to be a huge part of how this relationship developed...slowly, yet with great respect and 'knowing'. I have never written such deep and intimate letters like this before-almost like he brings it out in me. (Yes, I do write notes a lot and have written many intense love letters to my husband (ex-now) but not at this level).

Because many people with Pisces influences (Asc, moon) feel misunderstood, I think he likes the communication and understanding I have with him. He had commented during the 9/11-time about a woman who had left a love note on her husband's pillow before she left on her trip to Washington (she was on one of the planes which crashed). He thought that was the neatest thing. He was amazed by it. Of course I then followed my intuition and sensed how important that might be to him. I had already begun my written letters to him at the time and felt warmed that it would mean so much to him. So thank you-it just confirms all that I do as a natural inclination with him. (AND, I was not into astrology then as I am now BTW). **Although my Pluto(Virgo) opposing his moon(Pisces) probably knocks him off his feet emotionally with my intensity of thought within these letters. Hmm...

Further, his Eros is in his third house in Gemini (yes, conjunct Venus as well!)...so the letters mean even more to him as a form of love. Interesting....

Thank you also for the article links!

Lastly, regarding the fixed nature of our Taurus's, we had a deep discussion yesterday about what we both thought was important in a marriage. And we both have definite thoughts on the subject, which thankfully are pretty much the same. (Same expectations and wishes). So that makes sense!

Thank you again...

Warmest regards-

GemStar

posted February 17, 2005 03:40 PM              

wow, so his venus is conjunct eros! that's a pretty intense aspect. the guy i'm dating has his sun conjunct eros in virgo (in the 11th house). i think it adds a charismatic intensity to the personality, don't you agree? and you must realize, your juno isn't just on his venus, it's on his venus/eros conjunction!

do you read kim falconer's stuff? i think she's fabulous. http://www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Eros.htm

here's what she says about eros in gemini:

Eros in Gemini

…and the most beautiful words ever spoken, I have not yet said to you.

--Nazim Hikmet

Eros in Gemini says, "If you want me, talk to me!" Here Eros thrives on the interaction of ideas, and the intellectual stimulation found in sharing observations, data and little understood facts. He likes it known how well he comprehends a subject and how much he could teach about it. Eros in Gemini wants to hear the words, or receive little cards with messages of love, much more than he wants to get a box of chocolates or even a massage!

Gemini governs the realm of the mind, the known universe, its facts and fancies. When Eros dresses in this outfit, he seeks intimacy first through intellectual rapport and that usually means talking. The mere act of communication can stimulate this position of Eros into desires for deeper intimacy and union, provided one listens to the discourse. The beloved’s inattention to detail or loss of concentration on the subject kills a genuine pursuit faster here than in any other sign.

Curiosity about how things work, why people behave in a certain way, or where some tradition began all contribute to the stimulating mental atmosphere where Eros in Gemini likes to live. He uses knowledge as a lure, his mind as bait and his wit as reward. He also uses these intellectual instruments as a bastion against the pain and suffering of the emotional world.

The first of the AIR signs, Eros in Gemini has a sense of mental objectivity and a distinct need for space. Although drawn irrefutably to the depths of intimacy by the nature of Eros itself, in this sign he may at times do more talking or reading about emotional closeness than going out and experiencing it.

and here is what she says about eros in the 3rd house:

Eros in the Third House

I'm skilled at introducing new ideas every time out, each one different from the other and all of them good.

--Aristophanes

The third house traditionally deals with ideas, communication, learning, short journeys and siblings. It describes the early environment and local community, left brain activity or the rational mind, and our attitude to leaning and knowledge in general. If consciousness is, as Richard Idemon used to say, "what we think and what we think we think," the third house is the arena of that consciousness. It is the way in which we think we perceive the environment.

When Eros resides in the third house, communication itself can become an erotic experience. The written and expressed word, the transmission of information and the act of learning or teaching may all create an experience of erotic transformation for those involved. These can be people who really enjoy writing letters, keeping a diary or journal or getting up and making a speech.

here is what she says about eros in aspect to other planets:

Eros in Aspect to the Planets

The madness of being in love clearly shows many characteristics of soul activity: interference with plans and projects, long periods of time spent in daydream and reverie, projection of ideal fantasies onto the loved person confusion about personal goals and values, a weakening of willpower all of these reveal an activation of the deeper strata of the soul.

--Thomas Moore

The aspects link the planets, points and angles in the natal chart creating an indivisible bond between them. They consist of the angular division of a circle, 360 degrees, into different sized pieces of pie. Some of the divisions form stronger or more harmonious links than others, although the vital point is that they are linked at all.

One way of viewing the aspects between Eros and the other bodies in the chart is to consider that Eros is holding a festivity and the other planets the guests. How would Venus enjoy a feast with Eros? How would Saturn? Would he dive in or nibble the edges? Would he simply lose his appetite altogether? Each planet has a different orientation towards the experience of Eros. Each will taste, digest, assimilate or reject that experience in different ways. Whether it inspires arousal or repulsion, a connection by aspect to Eros will have its effect.

Aspects between planets bond them for better or worse. Usually it is a unique combination of both. If we have a grand cross between Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter, we only have to evoke one of the planets to activate them all. If we assert ourselves against a threatening situation (mars) we will automatically evoke the containment or authority of Saturn, the expansive enthusiasm of Jupiter and Venus’s desire to create harmony or extract value. We can not do one without the others when they link by aspect.

This sheds light on the effects of any unaspected planets in the chart. If Mars is unaspected, the act of assertion may evoke nothing but the aggression itself. It may function in isolation because it has no links with the other bodies. Once awakened, it may be hard to integrate any self or external control (Saturn), any arbitration or diplomacy (Venus), or any sense of meaning or purpose (Jupiter). The pure and possibly raw aggression may be one big event all to itself with nothing to modify the energy in any way.

The nature of the aspect, whether it be a trine, square, inconjunct or opposition, holds some significance yet it is more important to first established if there is a connection of any kind, and what that connection may represent. If the Moon aspects Mars, their will be an ignition of the feeling nature quite different from the Moon in aspects to Neptune. It matters little if the aspect is so called soft or hard, good or bad. There are differences certainly, yet the primary signification of the planets being connected to each other remains unchanged. This holds especially true with the transits of the outer planets. A sextile from transiting Pluto can coincide with every bit as profound an emotional experience as a square or opposition. It matters more that one is being touched by the god and less from what angle that god is doing the touching.

With that in mind for Eros, the conjunction and opposition are the most consequential in the natal chart, although the ‘lesser’ aspects should be considered and evaluated as well. As far as orbs go, use what works best and what brings the most consistent and reliable results. A larger orb may be preferable for the conjunctions and oppositions, perhaps up to 10 or even 12 degrees when involving the Sun or Moon, with progressively tighter orbs for the square, trine, and tighter still for the sextile and inconjuncts. The minor aspects would want orbs of no less than 1.5 to 2 degrees, the parallel being 1.5 degrees to exact. The most important consideration to keep in mind is that if Eros, or any planet, acts like it is in aspect to another planet, even if the orb is wide, then it probably is. Results speak louder than rules.

i don't know if you'd seen any of that before, but i copied and pasted for you anyway. be sure to check out her site - she's got a wealth of information there.

the letter-writing is interesting...have you checked how 80 sappho links up between you?

about venus sextile jupiter/uranus...
Sextile: A supportive aspect that may relate to how one thinks, communicates, or connects with people. Subtly evocative of 3rd and 11th house matters. A constructive,
"builder" aspect that helps to create a perfect manifestion in life. May get stronger and deeper as the person gets
older, and affect their ability to manifest their dreams and goals. (Esoteric hint: study the dreaming body, and other traditional vedic koshas in connection with the sextile aspect, also the quintile.)

basically, i'd read up on a jupiter/uranus conjunction in whatever sign it is in and house it is in, and then i'd analyze the relation of that conjunction's sextile to venus. does that make sense? we already know he has venus/eros in the 3rd house, conjunct but dissociate in the signs of taurus/gemini...what house/sign is jupiter/uranus in? his venus/eros energies are forever linked to his jupiter/uranus energies in a harmonious way...does this help? hope so!

and i KNOW about those pluto contacts! those can be pretty intense when by a degree or 2. in my current relationship, my pluto (which is part of a major t-square involving the sun, moon & pluto) directly conjuncts my partner's sun by about half a degree. there's a really good book i have on astrological mythology which has an AWESOME chapter on pluto...if you want, ill dig that info up and give it to you later. the book also has great chapters on the big 4 (juno, ceres, vesta, pallas). it's based more on the mythology and doesn't giver specific info on aspects, but that's not a problem, because understanding the myths sometimes helps us to apply these aspects and configurations to our own lives and come up with our own conclusions as to what they mean, as opposed to following cookie-cutter interps which never give the whole picture. we're more complex than that!

anyway, i'm sorry for the length....i got on a roll. it's my sag moon/3rd house, i guess! or my mercury in aries. i can be a real chatterbox.

sincerely,
c

posted February 17, 2005 04:23 PM              

Thanks chrissy!

OK- GET THIS...involved with the now known My Juno conjunct his Venus, His Venus conjuct his Eros, my Sappho is right in there in the mix!! It sits right next to my Juno! and is conjunct his Venus 2.44 degrees! WHAT does that mean???...I felt excited for some reason when you pointed out that my Juno is conjuncting his Venus/Eros conjunction...and not sure what that means...and now that addition. I hope this is a good one!! Please help me decipher-I am getting excited about I don't know what??!! Ha,ha, ha...what does this mean?
Oh, and ONE MORE THING...My Ceres is right in there as well! Conjunct 0. to his Venus EXACT!!! It is like an asteroid explosion right there! So all of mine mix into his Venus-Eros conjunction...what to make of this???? How does this affect him? Me?

I would LOVE the info on the Pluto-Moon opposition between us (0.27)...it intrigues me! Nearly exact again! Only the Juno-Venus contact is more exact in our synastry!! So if you have the time, please tell me what you find! Thanks!

His Jupiter and Uranus are in Cancer-5th house. So this ties into his Venus in 3rd? How do I read that?

Thanks for the additional pasted articles-they were very interesting!

Whew....lots of excitement we have uncovered!! I greatly appreciate your input and ideas...I like your depth of knowledge-especially with the asteroids...they are fairly new to me and I am learning so much! Thanks chrissy...I can't wait to hear your thoughts again!
Take care-

GemStar

posted February 17, 2005 05:37 PM              

well, i'm happy that you're so excited - doesn't astrology just rock? i love it, i don't know why i didn't start studying it sooner. it's just an extension to me of all the things i've always been interested in: art, math, astronomy, physics.

and that sounds like a pretty explosive combo you have going on there! so let's get this straight: your juno/ceres/sappho conjunction (in taurus/gem, right?) conjuncts his venus/eros conjunction (again, in taurus/gem, right?). that's a potent mix. consider all those energies blended - your attitude to commitment (juno) is inextricably linked with sappho’s love of art, poetry, sexual longing and expression, and also linked with the desire to mother, nurture (ceres). he evokes ALL of these energies in you with his venus/eros in the 3rd house. see how that works?

now with his venus (tau)/eros (gem) in the 3rd sextile jupiter/uranus in cancer in the 5th, remember what is most important (because i know this gets confusing) is that these 4 planetary/asteroid bodies are LINKED in his natal. "doing" one evokes the other. think of that sexy, potent energy of venus/eros in the 3rd mixing with the expansive qualities of jupiter and the electric qualities of uranus in the 5th. the 3rd is about communication and the 5th is about love affairs, creativity, and children (in essence). venus/eros in the 3rd wants transformation through communication, and jupiter/uranus in the 5th wants to experience creativity & love in a grand, unique way. and finally, remember the sextile is "a supportive aspect that may relate to how one thinks, communicates, or connects with people. it is subtly evocative of 3rd and 11th house matters. a constructive, 'builder' aspect that helps to create a perfect manifestion in life. may get stronger and deeper as the person gets older, and affect their ability to manifest their dreams and goals."

i'll bring that book on pluto tomorrow.

talk to you later, take care!

sincerely,
c

posted February 17, 2005 06:08 PM              

My 7th house is filled with asteroids! My Venus(taurus)23.24, North Node(taurus)24.56, Sappho(taurus)26.59, Juno(taurus)29.45, Ceres(gem)0.03 ALL within 7 degrees!! His Eros(gem) and Venus(taurus) in my 7th house...there you have it!

So, how does this all affect him? I see where he would trigger my asteroids' feelings...what do they(mine) do with regards to his Venus-Eros? This is where I am learning what triggers what in each other...Thank you for your assistance!

posted February 17, 2005 06:35 PM              

dear kathleen,

the thing to remember when analyzing aspects is that 1) people are like permanent transits, 2) the most important thing about an aspect between 2 bodies is that the 2 (or more) bodies are connected & the second most important thing is what the actual aspect is. that's pretty much it!

by being who you are - the committed you, the artistic/poetic you, and the nurturing you, you wake up his venus/eros. those asteroids are very important in your chart, as they are in an angular house. i know - my eros is in my 7th house conjunct my DC. eros is very important to me. juno/sappho/ceres are very important to you in your partnerships. you seek that out from a significant other, you will want (consciously or not) a partner who really activates those asteroids in you. by being who you are in this partnership, you really get that venus/eros in the 3rd of his going, and by default you get his jupiter/uranus in the 5th going, too. venus is our values, what we think is attractive, what gives us pleasure. eros is all about relationships of a transformative kind. what you get going in him when things are going really well between you two is a desire to communicate socially (venus), and a desire to transform through that communication (eros). of course, it isnt that simple...it goes way deeper than that usually. just know that through those asteroid contacts of yours, you really wake up his desire to socially interact with you, venus is all about pleasure, so when things are really good you bring him pleasure - and this is tied with eros, so waking his venus gets those passionate, sexy, intense fires of eros going!

i will bring that book tomorrow, and hopefully i'll get a chance to give you some of that info on moon-pluto. if i dont do it tomorrow it's because i have an art show to hang (ugh, never hang your own art shows - when i'm rich and famous i'm paying someone else to do this stuff), and i promise then i'll do it monday.

take care and have a lovely weekend!

posted February 17, 2005 06:36 PM              

How was your day today?

GemStar

posted February 17, 2005 07:29 PM              

Thanks for the run down...I am getting a better picture of things...of course, it all makes a lot of sense! I KNOW what I am feeling, I always want to know what HE is feeling and how I bring things out in him!

I think the transformative stuff is a strong one for mostly him. My Pluto and Uranus lands in his 7th house(virgo)....with my Pluto opposing his Moon...boy, lots going on here!

The asteroids certainly describe me to a T!
He opens to me because of my Ceres and it's nurturing..interestingly enough, his Ceres trines my Venus exact. We are VERY protective of each other. (Something that is important to both Cancer and Pisces Moons).

We talk endlessly about so many things...how and why people do what they do etc...endlessly. (Which makes sense with his Venus in 3rd-Eros in Gem). He is REALLY stimulated by our discussions...as am I. Most of my friends can't believe how much we talk-it is so important to both of us! Because we both are air Gem Suns, but have water ASC and MOONS, (mine-Scorp Asc and Cancer Moon), our emotions and sensitivity are a big part of our connectiveness.

Thank you for explaining how his third house ties in with his fifth house. It makes sense-very cool!

Once again...your knowledge is fantastic and I appreciate your thoughts very much!!

posted February 18, 2005 02:17 PM              

And yes, Pixie IS very blessed in love, with challenges and all ...

posted February 21, 2005 11:09 AM              

Maybe I will start a thread-that way more people will have the opportunity to read about this interesting pairing! Hope your art show went well...I came back late, late (or is it early?) last night...3am. Ugh. Thanks!!