posted February 12, 2005 08:30 AM              

I've been looking at this aspect for a couple of weeks now and although I know it is a very powerful, positive indicator of love and affection and is classed as a very favourable indicator for marriage - it does have differing meanings depending whos Sun or Venus is aspecting the other persons.

My Venus (sounds rude - Ha LOL) is conjunct my GF's Sun. Now for a male Venus conjunct a female Sun, I have found that the Sun person will see the Venus person as very attractive, something beautiful about them and will want to express affection toward them. The The male Venus will also see the sun person as something magnificent. Sort of the light of the Sun reflecting into Venus and showing Venus just how beautiful it is - which holds true. I am in some ways in awe of my GF, find her simply beautiful, very feminite and charming beyond belief. And as such I tend to want to make her feel even more so by complimenting her on those traits alot.

However, something I've noted is, If it is the female Sun with the Male Venus, the relationship is very much geared toward the Female. She will, in effect be the centre of it, she will be the more dominant one in turns of getting her own way I suppose? - and this I have found to be quite true. At the end of the day, I will defer to her whereas in other relationships, I have not done so, perhaps because this placement wasn't there? So in effect, the Sun, being the centre of the zodiac - is centre of attention.

Now if This was reversed and it was the male Sun conjunct a female Venus, although the attraction , affection and all things fluffy bit would still be there. It would be more pronounced because the sun is anaturally a male energy and Venus is naturally a female energy, so the two would feel more at home with one another?

However, the female Venus would see the male Sun as more of a nurturing, father figure type character and as such feel very protected by it. Therefore giving the Male the more dominently dispossed position within the relationship.

Now my theories on this is either one is good, but what if you were to have both within a chart?

My GF and I do not, so at the end of the day, she does have that edge on me, however her ex husband and her do have both??? His Sun to her Venus and her Sun to his Venus???? Now this makes me a little weary of them in some senses because it's as if, he has this continuing hold over her, no matter what. A sort of no matter what has or might happen, she will always look at him in a protective, fatherly type way, in which she will never see me.

Am I wasting my time in this relationship? I sometimes think so, because whenever the ex turns up - she automatically switches off to me and defers to his wishes??? I think, maybe astroligically - I'm in a no win situation??

Any thoughts?

posted February 12, 2005 10:54 AM              

I don't have the full list at hand, but can throw in the dates and times if any good.

Me
07/03/1970
07.55am
2W 06 49N11

Her
16/03/1971
02.30am
2W07 52N48

posted February 12, 2005 11:15 AM              

Juno in mine is 3 degrees 46 of Pisces (funny that) in the twelth

Hers is 10 degrees 54 in Gemini in the sixth

posted February 12, 2005 11:30 AM              

GO to the highlighted 'additional' charts line and open that window up...scroll to the bottom where the synastry grid shows you both...there will be your contacts!

Tell me what you find...

posted February 12, 2005 11:43 AM              

Right I think I've got it.

Her Juno contacts to me are as follows
Trine my Moon
Sextile my Mars
Square Jupiter
Square Neptune
Trine Mc

Mine to her are
Square her Moon
Trine Uranus

So even by my basic reckoning - not fab

posted February 12, 2005 12:10 PM              

Sorry for doing it this way...I am using this to explore the contacts with Juno and Chiron. Wondering what other significant contacts are out there to be uncovered!

Tell me one thing...why are you having doubts? Is it something she is doing or is it just an insecure feeling? Pisces Sun and moon people usually KNOW but can be soooo insecure (hidden of course). Just curious...not meaning to touch a tender spot. (If so)

Do you not feel that she is your soulmate? Neptune trine chiron is a soulmate indicator per Magi Astrology. It is the MAIN indicator as far as they are concerned. You have this together.

posted February 12, 2005 02:42 PM              

I do appreciate your input and time on the matter - thankyou.

I think looking at the charts, the Chiron/Neptune contact is quite small?/ what do you reckon? as in the orbs are not that close - Know what your getting at but not quite sure about that one. Yes, Sun Moon Pisces can tell??? how would I know?? LOL but in the same breath, having Venus in Pisces makes me far to idealistic anyway - and not getting into that many relationships (in adult life) without careful considerations - all of them would be soulmate stuff!!

As you, I'm sure know, a soulmate does not indicate a lifelong bond - well not in the present state anyway - it's all a big learning curve and we meet many through the time we spend on this plane - some for good, some for bad. some are there to guide us, some to teach us, some to give us utter hell - if that is what we requested prior to our incarnation in this lifetime!! Am I going too deep? (no puns intended!!)

I have to admit, your synopsis of me is so good - yes, we (sun, moon Pisces)do have insecurities, mainly hidden!, and need a lot of reassuring, but only when doubt creeps in - if there is no doubt or more to the point if we don't FEEL something is wrong, then things are fine, We know when they are not!!!! we also have the ability to see through any facade placed in front of us!!! and this may be the down side, as far as having a happy emotional life is concerned? I think this is more the moon but, if someone is faking it (again no pun) we know - or at least, I do. And yes to be honest, letely I think my GF has been. So in answer to your question - I'm having doubts because she acts differently and the vibes, I pick up from her are not so positive. Make sense?

I know with traditional astrology
Pluto-Venus or Neptune-Moon/Venus is the soul mate stuff. I am fascinated by your MAGI stuff, but am still learnig, so will wait till I have mastwered one before assessing the other.

She is very special - that much I do know, but I tend to go for partners who in some way need rescueing - typical venus in twelth, I know! They seem week and vunerable but as soon as their self asteem is back on line, they become self absorbent. self focussed and detached from the relationship . I think has happened again - Oh dear. But yes, there is something - maybe soulmate - stuff going on

posted February 12, 2005 04:05 PM              

You are absolutely correct re-the soulmates of our lives. Some are here for long periods of time and others-not.

If you are getting bad vibes from her, has this been ongoing or just a few off days here and there? Personally, I get too rattled (emotionally) if my Other is pulling away or distant in some way. Often I have to check myself and make sure I am not over-reacting and over-sensitive. (Cancer Moon) However, my Scorp rising senses things that are usually on target. Maybe a conversation is what you need to have if this 'faking' it feeling does not go away after a period of time.

Your Pisces intuition is rarely wrong and I understand the idealistic views you have-therefore need to temper expectations to us mere mortals! Follow your instincts...my feeling is that when you are with the right person for You, you know it without a doubt.

BTW-Are you feeling like a passive Pisces and just going with the flow, rather than being active in some manner? (Just curious to find out how you handle this type of situation-do you run towards it or go the opposite way waiting for it to work itself out on it's own...)???

GemStar

PS-Magi Astrology is interesting and I have found it a neat cross-over with my traditional Astrology...they have a few different ideas that I like and others that I question! Just like to throw thoughts in from their view as one more idea!!

posted February 13, 2005 05:14 AM              

The vibes have been ongoing for some time and everytime I do try to talk to her about it - No go, I think this has a lot to do with her Venus in Aqua - quite cold to others feelings at times??

Depends - sometimes passive, sometimes outright - Aries rising with Mars first house, in it's own teritory and all?? so I can display the active and upfront attitudes when I need too - Ha Ha

Unfortunately, as you say, I have learnt to trust my intuition - has taken some time but, you sort of just know when something is just not right - I think I shall just have to show her the ocean and see if she wants to go swimming in it or not!!!

posted February 13, 2005 08:30 AM              

Thanks for the link...I will take a longer look at it...First, I have to say, I ALWAYS defer to my intution above any astrology. Second, I am not liking a few things in your synastry chart...Venus sq Mars, square and opposition of Mercury to Neptune (doubt both of your Pisces natures like that one)...not much happening in the node area..that is another indicator that I like to look for...hmmmm.
I will take some time and look further...and see what we can come up with!

*******Oh! BTW-tell me how you are going to show her the ocean?

posted February 13, 2005 08:40 AM              

What a strange thing to be thinking of first thing in the morning?? but nice to know there are other souls floating around the ethis, looking at the stars

Venus sq Mars? yes can be a tad akward but they are conjunct in the composite chart?? so in effect we can either love with a passion, or hate with a vengence - same energy involved. I think the sq indicates that we may be out of sync slightly when it omes to sexual patterns - but far too deep to go into that one.

Mercury, Neptune - yeah saw that one too....Hmmm Show her the ocean - well firstly, we live on an island, so we have it all around us?? not being offensive, so apologies if it sounds that way. In-fact The ocean is about 10metres away from me at this very moment, as I work for the Harbour authority over here, and am in my office right next to the big blue.

But what I actually meant was - I will set her free - to swim off into the deep. If she keeps swimming, then she was never mine - if she comes back? then maybe I'll know??