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Happy Dragon
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posted June 30, 2005 08:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A.C . ..... BIG Sheepish GRIN here ..
i entered the wrong day ! .. did the time via the timezone site .. so for GMT it works out
the previous day .. except i input the next day (23) by mistake .. have just redone it .. comes out same as astrodotcom .. moon in scorpio .. leo sun ....
will redo pics .....
.. bullies often need a 'reaction' from their victims .. if they don't get a reaction they can get bored and seek an alternative target .. be like the chinese 'snake sign' .. practise non reaction .. i.e. don't SHOW any reaction to his provocations ..
natal Sun sextile Pluto would enable him to go down the path of 'controller manipulator' if he so chose to do so .. as the sextile is an 'easy' flow of energy .. he would potentialy find that 'easy' to do .. Libra on the Asc .. another sign known to be a 'manipulator' on the 'shadow' side .. i.e. playing one person off against another .. back stabbing in relationships etc etc .. i mean there are a few thing in his chart that could make him a b*****d to be around.
.. i think with his chart .. he will be forced to learn some heavy lessons in life .. and he only be 20 at moment ..
.. Pluto on the Asc .. that's what you are seeing .. ( actor Jack Nicholson has Pluto on Asc .. he puts it to good use in his films .. e.g. the shining )
will edit pics and repost ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 30, 2005 09:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A.C . .....

this thread is about Saturn in Leo .. its a good read as to the POTENTIAL negative side in the sign Leo ...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005805.html

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 30, 2005 10:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AChick ..
.. chart pics now adjusted ...
.. Pluto ain't exactly on the Asc .. but given the sextile to his sun plus 1st house contents .. plus leo normaly has a fairly big ego .. so does pluto .. 8th house chiron gemini .. opposite 2nd house Urns ( don't think i would like that in the financial sense ) .. Venus square the Asc ....
must fly ..
'til later
hd

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 30, 2005 07:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aries Chick ..

.. by transit he currently has Chiron squaring natal Pluto .. which .. 1 .. will be for most born 84/85/86 .. so in isolation would depend on individual aspects to Pluto .. and in his case it be the sextile to his leo sun .. 2 .. that transit seems to have a fair ammount of anger attached .. i mean i know a much older person ( in their 80s who got so angry under the same transit .. they had a stroke )

.. here is the astrodotcom output for said transit .. ( chiron currently retrograde .. read extended transit .. it will go back to 27 cap then go forward again .. so more of the same for him .. and for whomever he is projecting it onto ) ) ..

in this case it be the other way around i.e Pluto transiting Chiron .. but there may be some relevance in it ..
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/khiron/ChrnPlut.gif

i sort of doubt the current (retro .. more of same to come ) transit of Neptune to his Mars would help ....

.. in his natal .. Saturn and Mars are square and has somewhat of a reputation for anger/frustration amongst other things .. add the natal Sun/Pluto/Neptune .. Uranus/Chiron aspects .. Venus/Asc .. Venus/Saturn .. Sun/Saturn ..

as his Sun also trine Neptune .. here is something on Sun / Neptune ( imagine pluto in the mix as well )
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Neptune_Sun.html

.. he could be a rather self deluded personality .. or seek to delude others ..

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anyhowz ...

.. i reckon it be a good idea to look at what's going on in YOUR chart .. as well ..

ok .. just re read posts .. so u be similar age .. so maybe check how transiting chiron may effecting
your natal pluto .. and what aspects plut makes in your natal ..
.. actualy sounds like you have come accross a plain ol' leo bully .. as most of what u describe are
negative traits of that sign .. life could totally change him ..
and as you want to keep away from him ( good idea ) .. i guess the charts are a bit surplus to requirements
.. but maybe it be an astro lesson of some kind .. who knows ..

be well
'til anon

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aries-chick
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posted July 01, 2005 06:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ThAnKs a lot HD..that's nice of you to take the time to have a look at his chart. I WILL ignore him as much as I can. I don't really want to start a conflict either. I just want him to buzz off lol

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Pluto on the Asc .. that's what you are seeing .. ( actor Jack Nicholson has Pluto on Asc .. he puts it to good use in his films .. e.g. the shining )

You know, I never noticed this before and he doesn't look like Jack Nicholson but there's something very similar there..the "scary" factor lol though I still like Jack Nicholson kinda..and he doesn't really scare me

I had a look at my aspects on Astro..I never realised I have that many Pluto aspects lol..Pluto's my only fixed as well

Pluto quintile Moon 0-orb
Pluto opp Venus 6
Pluto sextile Mars 4
Pluto trine Jupiter 2
Pluto semisquare Uranus 0
Pluto sextile Neptune 0
Pluto semisextile Part of fortune 0
Pluto trine Pallas and Vesta 1
Pluto trine AC and MC 6

Chiron is sextile Sun 1
C square Mercury/Jupiter with 7 and 1 orb
C opp Saturn 0
C square MC but large, 9

My Chiron's crap it's in a T-Square lol

And transiting Chiron is square my Venus/NN..and my Pluto..so it makes a T-square with my natal Venus/NN -Pluto/SN opposition.. Sounds bad to me lol so what do you think?

You don't have to interpret this btw..if you're tired or busy or something it's fine. I didn't post this thread to find out info about myself anyhoo but if you do have a look Thank U

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 02, 2005 07:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A.C.
.. was going to today .. but today has passed here .. so just popped this in to say i will .. 'cause i've got chiron as part of a g-cross involving saturn .. but only found that out when i got this astro app. .. even then i hadn't a clue about chiron untill it came by as a transit .. then i certainly knew about it .. except the transit also involved pluto then saturn .. but in essence .. i was in the main hit by childhood fears ..
and thinking of natal pluto .. anything that hits that also hits on my sun .. for better or worse ..
anyhow will get back to you on the subject re: your list ..
be well ...

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 05, 2005 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi AC ..

**C opp Saturn 0**

.. had c/pasted the above list to my desktop .. keep looking at it .. but also keep thinking of chiron .. but also a couple of things that have come to light via LL .. ok you have chiron at close orb to saturn .. me to .. .. that sextile to your sun from chiron looks quite helpful in that respect .. .. I started thinking of your chiron in terms of the above character from brisbane .. ( i'm going to post the chart of the scummiest bully i ever did come accross .. ) .. in that you be wounded somewhat .. but being the scattered creature i am .. haven't/didn't get it together ..
.. if youv'e not seen this thread .. take a peek ..
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005860.html

.. i was going to have a look at my previous chiron transits and see if any coincided with the dreaded heartbreak
.. i know one did for sure .. but it also involved saturn and a dash of pluto ( orbwise ) .. but as far as being wounded .. i did it to myself ( emotionally ) .. lasted about 3 months and one day i just snapped out of it .. looking back what i felt hurt over was realy n'owt at all .. but then there was something else family wise that coincided whith that .. and it was a case of childhood fears resurfacing .. not comfortable at all ..

**And transiting Chiron is square my Venus/NN..and my Pluto..so it makes a T-square with my natal Venus/NN -Pluto/SN opposition.. Sounds bad to me lol so what do you think?**
well .. in the light of whats been written .. chiron sq yer vns .. the brisbane bully ? .. i wouldn't have thought it be an easy one .. be better if you could post your b/data so i could see the chart 'n transits etc .. or email it ( .. in profile .. ) if u don't wan't it on thread ..
( ... Sounds bad to me lol so what do you think? .. ) .. i try not to ..

u may have seen these but shall put them here in case not:
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_wounding_e.htm
http://martinlass.com/healhand.htm
http://www.martinlass.com/chiron.htm
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_transits_e.htm

'till later .. hope you well
hd

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aries-chick
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posted July 05, 2005 10:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hee hee HD u're funny.. Thanx so much for all the links they're very helpful

I'm finally in holidays yayyy so I wont be seeing Mr Bully for a while..yayyyy again lol Maybe he moves elsewhere in the mean time, like mars

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posted July 06, 2005 02:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm going through this exact thing with my best friend. now when we hang out she is really mean all the time, thinks she's queen of the universe, etc. my self esteem is like ZERO since i've been hanging out with her and she's also been cutting me off from my other friends, not on purpose just because she doesn't like any of them. she's a leo going through moon conjunct pluto. maybe your friend's moon in scorpio is similar to this. she just is supremely self centered and makes me feel like i'm some kind of ******* for trying to be open minded and liking open minded people. i can't deal with it anymore. negative energy is completely real, you are completely right. "cutting" is possibly the perfect word to describe how it feels. maybe you have a strongly placed neptune like me that makes you notice these things more, i don't know. whenever i bring it up to her she calls me oversensitive. turns out i'm not crazy though because i've explained the issues i've been having to other people and they completely get it.

i don't know, maybe it's a leo-pluto combination: being really self centered and dark and twisted and cruel. the leo thing means that instead of just being a plutonic person, and intense, they also assume they are always right and that the fact that they are emotionally extreme and hate everyone and everything is everyone else's fault. for just being the way they are.

i'm a libra with lots of libra and aquarian influences, and sag, and i'm all about being open minded /trying to get along, and it's getting hard for me to deal with someone who can't stand ANYTHING...including me if i do something she doesn't like. basically you aren't imagining things, i've met lots of people who talk about people with negative versus positive energy.

OH. one more thing. i'm not sure where his sun is in leo, but pluto might be trining it right now. when that happens it makes the person have an effect on the people around them whether or not they are trying very hard to. basically it gives them power and a voice so people somehow give them more respect. they usually aren't aware of this power which is why they end up abusing it and coming off as really cruel and cutting or whatever. the power thing can be good for them, but also bad for everyone else if they are an immature self centered person.

i can't even tell you what i've been through myself, emotionally, it's pretty difficult. very very stressful. anyway. so yeah. i'm sorry to hear you're going through that, but i relate and wanted to let you know it's not just in your head, sometimes people can be really negative and hard to deal with!

funny i feel just the way you do, that she makes me feel the way my dad does (like crap, basically, about an inch tall and worthless as a person.) unfortunately i don't have any really good advice to you for how to deal with this. i personally have no idea what to do, i've tried explaining this and she just gets mad and can't take at ALL what she dishes out...and then gets mad if i get upset when she criticizes ME, saying i'm oversensitive. my dad ALWAYS uses that line. my dad's a complete bully, maybe i should notice the same pattern, i just never expected it from my friend. no clue what to do, sadly, i've grown up with emotionally abusive jerks all around me so i'm almost accustomed to it as a way of life...i should probably not be her friend anymore but it's really hard for me to do that. yeah. well i wish you good luck at any rate, haha if you figure out some advice i'd love to hear it.

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