posted September 26, 2005 12:20 AM            

And of course I've been in similar situations like the ones you've mentioned and of course I hate anything that limits the human mind of spirit. It's important of course that at the end of the day- no matter which house our Mercury is in just like no matter what kind of mother and/or father we were raised by- we are ultimately responsible for the individuals we become. Sh!t, divorces, drugs, astrology, and all.

posted September 26, 2005 12:45 AM              

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hehe.. we know something about them they don't know" sort of thing we have going sometimes. Light-hearted. Like the significant look my best friend and I give each other when a male tells us he's an Aries. Of course that in the heart of hearts that doesn't mean we know something significant about him or that he's just like the other.. what.. 250 or so million males in the world that may be Aries.. it's just that little bit of unusual knowledge that everyone who has explored astrology feels perhaps a little privileged to have and we smile at each other across the room and nod.

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Lighthearted fun is good and I do it myself. I agree with everything you said. However, I'm not really all that sure that this thread and some of the posts in it, were said in a light-hearted manner. I think that you personally ARE lighthearted when it comes to this (and obviously you're not the only one), but I also get very strong vibes from others who are not..

The example you just gave..with your best friends..thats fine, thats funny. I'd DO that myself.

But that's not what I *get* from certain posts/posters..I actually feel as though some people are being very serious (and somewhat stern) about this; but obviously I could be wrong..and I hope I am

posted September 26, 2005 02:46 AM            

No one is saying that every person of the same sun sign is identical (the other placements are very important). What people are saying is that the stereotyping that astrology does is based on thousands of years of study. The reason people study astrology is because they find truth in it. I have a Taurus friend who is absolutely against astrology, but it doesn't stop him from displaying his sun sign. In fact, after reading about Taurians in Love Signs (before I ever really got into astrology) I had to call him up to find out his sign. It was THAT accurate. I was astounded!

I think this crusade to diminish astrology is probably due to being overly sensitive about being an Aries. I doubt the triple Aries that's the namesake of this site would agree that people don't display their charts in their personality. The ways in which they manifest their chart combinations may be unique, but those manifestations are similar enough to show trends, which is what astrology documents.

posted September 26, 2005 06:58 PM              

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I think the energy of this type of thread is more the sort of fun "hehe.. we know something about them they don't know" sort of thing we have going sometimes.

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This is something that I really observed and can't talk about elsewhere... I'm sure you've already discussed this. It's not about feeling superior knowing something but observing how many people are totally unconscious of their real nature.

However, I see that the older people get the more they know and accept themselves... If they happened to pay some attention to themselves.

And a second thought on this was how easy it is to manipulate someone who's not conscious of the way he/ she is. A good reason for knowing yourself is to know your weakneses so you don't fall so easily.

posted September 26, 2005 07:08 PM              

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All the following people are/were Aries:

Cardinal Ratzinger

Mariah Carey

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I don't remember suggesting that the Pope and Mariah Carey were exactly the same. But having sun in Aries they must share same basic elements like being frontal, impatient and such. Of course each one of us is an individual and there are many other aspects beyond the sign where the Sun is. Even twins have different personalities.

What i was saying is that some people deny having those characteristic (specially the "negative" side) while it is obvious to everyone else that they have them.

posted September 27, 2005 02:15 AM              

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It's not about feeling superior knowing something but observing how many people are totally unconscious of their real nature.

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*deep sigh*

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I don't remember suggesting that the Pope and Mariah Carey were exactly the same. But having sun in Aries they must share same basic elements like being frontal, impatient and such.

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THEY MUST! They both have brown eyes as well.. wow WHAT were the odds?

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Of course each one of us is an individual and there are many other aspects beyond the sign where the Sun is. Even twins have different personalities.

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to this.. but unfortunately you're contradicting yourself

I'd find it funny if a couple of posters on here joined a numerology board where they found others like themselves who also strictly and sternly believed in a different branch..and who had similar unyielding ideas based on their numerology knowledge.

For instance if you went on there and said "I never get aggressive towards anyone because I'm a water sign and I'm very sensitive and emotional" OR "I'm a very practical down to earth person who IS very realistic about the world because I'm an earth sign and those are obvious earth sign qualities that we all share"..

And a stern numerologist would say to you "I'm sorry but I think that REALLY you just don't know yourself all that well..because in Numerology you're a number 3 (or 4 or 5 or whatever) and this means that you're actually very aggressive and completely impractical. YOU MUST just NOT see that side in yourself. I'm sure it's obvious to "everyone else" around you"

hmmm I'd just find that quite interesting..

All I'm trying to say is that Astrology isn't the beginning and end all of everything, and it most definitely isn't the beginning and end all of human personality. There are other beliefs and sciences that also have a grain of truth..and there are plenty of new discoveries in human psychology STILL to be made..

posted September 27, 2005 08:21 AM              

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I don't remember suggesting that the Pope and Mariah Carey were exactly the same. But having sun in Aries they must share same basic elements like being frontal, impatient and such.

THEY MUST! They both have brown eyes as well.. wow WHAT were the odds?

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This is ridiculuos... If you are an Aries your sun is ruled by Mars so this kind of ebergy must be present somewhere.

If it's not present then Linda Goodman was just an opportunist who wrote fiction for suckers like us to buy it as a truth and everyone that says "I'm not like my sign description at all" may be right.

posted September 27, 2005 10:14 AM              

I also agree with Lauren though. Being boxed is not fun .......... life experiences and other external factors shape us and contribute too.

But am still happy to say I am a scorpio

posted September 27, 2005 10:46 AM              

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100% scorpio through and through here ........ most of all i love people's reactions when they ask u yr sign - the a tendency to run in the opposite direction.

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hehehe..I don't run though..Scorpios are sexy

PopProducer,

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If it's not present then Linda Goodman was just an opportunist who wrote fiction for suckers like us to buy it as a truth and everyone that says "I'm not like my sign description at all" may be right.

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it IS *truth*, but it isn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There ARE grey areas. I'm obviously interested in astrology, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here -BUT- like everything.. this should also be in good measure.

Good measure means, that YES ..if someone says to you "I'm nothing like the description of my sign" that IS their right and it isn't up to you to convince them otherwise..or roll your eyes at them in disagreement. You simply don't have the right to do so. It's rude and presumptuous. You don't know that person's life story. You don't know what they've been through.

For example, you can't tell someone they're egotistical BECAUSE they are a Leo whether they believe it or not..What if that person was abused as a child, what if they had any number of negative experiences and they actually have VERY low self asteem and that's been a real problem for them for years?

Don't you think it's just a *little bit* presumptuous?

To pretend you KNOW people better than they KNOW themselves with SUCH conviction (allowing them no leeway), because they are a certain star sign?

PS. "and everyone that says "I'm not like my sign description at all" may be right."

posted September 27, 2005 11:27 AM              

When I started this thread I was thinking of people who are very close to me who are obviously perfect examples of their sun sign descriptions, but they deny it (for whatever reason).

posted September 27, 2005 12:00 PM              

You know Lauren...your problem is that you are an aries sun. No matter how wrong they are they will never admit they are right. Loving to pick fights half the time.

You lash out at people for retarded reasons. Just take a look at the post. I swear you would think someone murdered someone with your reaction. Then you go on and on about it expecting everyone to agree with you.

I have seen you in action. I have seen you start fights with people on there first day on the forum all because you felt you are right in everything you say.

You have some serious issues to be getting all crazy about a topic like this.

Calm down or turn off your computer so you won't get so worked up.

Growing up alot of my best friends have been aries and I have seen the way they are from the sun point of view.

My cousin is the same exact way and she has a capricorn moon.

You really need to start controlling that attitude of yours. You would think you were a man with that masculine rude I am always right attitude.

My cousin has had lots of men get tired of her after a while with that attitude. I don't blame them.

Well time for lunch. Japanese

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted September 27, 2005 12:46 PM              

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No matter how wrong they are they will never admit they are right.

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I'm sorry, was that meant to make sense?

posted September 27, 2005 01:17 PM              

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MG, I don't make threads about getting into physical fights with people, let alone my own sister.

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Yet you were the first one in my thread being nosy.

I top everyone in agressiveness?

You don't see me crying and going crazy over a topic having to do with sun signs.

I won't be surprised if you even ripped your hair out when you first read the thread.

You should join the military. Manly women will do well there

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted September 27, 2005 01:23 PM              

Bringing other posts into this thread....about my my sister. When the topic is about you and the sun sign thread.

I swear you two should get married. Maybe you will beat eachother everyday and put eachother down.

Sounds like heaven LOL.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted September 27, 2005 01:37 PM              

You know, I feel pretty soz for you, in a way You don't strike me as a mean person..just very misguided..like someone who just doesn't "know" better

Anyways I'm not gonna go on and on with you..Enjoy your lunch

PS. This post isn't meant to be argumentative at all so picture me saying this in the calmest voice possible..