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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I dont want to seem vain or self indulgent (well maybe just a little)...

But here is a recent pic of me and that first (and only) gf I was talking about. We had a reunion of sorts earlier this year, was lovely She is so cool, like a sister to me.

She's leo (scorp rising, sag moon, if anyones curious)....

Isnt she great
http://www.demostreams.com/app/ds/artists/_Quark_/Gallery/b_85B6FD2C-C09F-3495-0BED433FAD60058B.jpg

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posted September 28, 2005 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only person who should go back to their closet is Michael Jackson.Just kidding.

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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 11:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I think she is anyway!

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OOHHHHH Quark!
You are delicious!
And even though I am not into chicks...
she is pretty!

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posted September 28, 2005 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What sign are you Quark?.

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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha! *blush* I have to be self indulgent more often, thanking you

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 11:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee hee...I saved your pic! Nice!

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah! Fess up Quark!
So exact birth date handsome!

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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peace, "Im a Pisces fish and the river runs through my soooouuulll!"

Pisces (ascendant Pisces, Taurus moon).. 3rd March 79

Double whammy

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 12:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your March 3rd. makes you a Perfect Pisces to me, considering I am on the 3rd.! Scorpio!!!!!!
I am November 3rd. 1954

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sue g
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posted September 28, 2005 12:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leyla.......loved your story girl........

Quark........lovely to hear you can be yourself......with your family........b l i s s.........

xxx

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Pop Producer
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posted September 28, 2005 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Since astrologers claim Uranus is the homosexual planet.

I think Uranus is an "unisex" planet that lowers the differences between genres. That's not the same.

At the same time. Mercury was said to be a bisexual energy, because Mercury, as the mesenger, always reflaxes the genre of the energy he's delivering.

And geminis, having two sides, are said to be prone to bisexuality. But most Geminis I know are straight, maybe only a little curious.

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sthenri
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posted September 28, 2005 12:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we change our clothes sure but not our minds,

Sexuality is determined by early childhood experiences, it's easy to deny that and go straight to a past life rationalization.
I made out with girls when I was four or five, it's normal to be in touch with sex at that age.

We rationalize everything but I am sure my preference to be assertive as to do with early suggestions from friends to be the assertive, bold, and risk taking friend.
That includes sex, male or females.
I am Gemini Mercury/7th house, Aries Venus, 5th house, and attract lots of Virgo, Pisces, Libra, Scorpio, Gemini, and Aqua people.

It's survival of the fittest, we breed with the best.
Nat

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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 12:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm, my mercury is in Pisces....?

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Since astrologers claim Uranus is the homosexual planet.
MY QUESTION:And statement:
Back in the 1970s that was a statement in part of a sick joke aimed at gay people.( ur-anus)
So is that statement actually true after all and the homophobes "used" it to slam the family and astrology?

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Quark
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posted September 28, 2005 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That did cross my mind, but I tried to ignore it. Surely not just an awfull syncronosity?

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fayte.m
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posted September 28, 2005 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unknown.....
Hey! I have a chiropractor to go see!
Later people! Great thread!

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posted September 28, 2005 12:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

It's survival of the fittest, we breed with the best.

Simon Le Bon (lead singer of duran duran) was asked why all pop star married top models. He answered "because we can".

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Peri
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posted September 28, 2005 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is kewl!

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It all depends on how we look at things, and not how they are in themselves.
Carl G. Jung

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sue g
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posted September 28, 2005 02:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arent they both

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MoonDuchess88
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posted September 28, 2005 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this would have more to do with mercury or uranus since they're both andrygynous (sp?) planets. I personally don't know what it's like to be trapped in a body I didn't like (I being a woman!) but I feel for the person going through that, it must be tough

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted September 28, 2005 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should have been a man.
I would have liked it more.
Not that I think I am one or anything.

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posted September 28, 2005 03:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simon Le Bon is a Scorpio?? I would never have guessed... (oct 27 1958). I saw him more like a Leo figure...

He had some drinking problems... Scorpios tend to have those self destructive issues...

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Gemini Nymph
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posted September 28, 2005 05:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, this thread seems to have gotten a little off topic.

Anyhow, actually, air signs are sometimes thought as *bisexual*, meaning sexual ambiguity and andrygony. In each sign there is simultaneous expression of traits deemed more predomiant in either gender:

Gemini - masculine mental facilities and agility with feminine sensitivity and fragility

Libra - masculine sense of juctive and balance with feminine creativity and aesthetics

Auqa - masculine cerebral detachment and objectivity combined with feminine humanitarian concern and compassion

Earth signs on the other hand are sometimes thought as *asexual* is the sense that they are not significantly oriented either male of feminie in traits, often exhibited traits common to both and not necessarily exclusive to either gender. Confusing, yes, I know, and this tends to p*ss off people (especially earth types), which is why I rarely bring it up here.

I have heard some people speculate that air sign are asexual, but I have found they usually mean bisexual - usually they refer to air sign's adaptibilty and flexibilty when it comes to changes gender roles and and expressing different gender traits. Transexualism and the intersexes would fall into this area. This is simply a confusion of the terminology, as in our popular culture we've confused the word "bisexual" to refer to *sexual orientation* and not to gender identity, which are distinct. Hence way the term "intersex" is being used by people who are *by gender* bisexual (frequently these are hermapherdites, but sometimes this also includes transexuals or other people who have made to choice to live witha ambiguous gender identity). Intersex people are not necessarily bisexual in sexual orientation, and in fact often aren't.

In contrast to an air sign's flexiblity and adaptibily genderwise, earth signs are far more rigid. This also means theiy are more rigid in adapting social constrtucts of gendr traits and roles. So they tend never fully adopt the gender traits or role of either gender, and hence are more truly "asexual." This sounds counterintuitive to the idea that earth signs are sensual and material, but the logic here doesn't exclude an earth sign's sensuality. A sign can be *very* sexual without being having a strong gender orientation, and in theory, without strong constrictions of social constrructs concerning gender roles, earth signs may be more capable of expressing the act and understanding of sex in a purer form than other signs.

Now as a disclaimer (and a big one), I am talking exclusively about the SIGNS themselves, and not their natives. When you are talking about a person who is an air or earth types, it's vastly more complicated. The signs simply inform the native and infleucne them, but other things also have influence upon the native as well, including their biological gender, their culture, their upbringing and their free will.

Having said all of that, let me use myself as an example:

I am an air persom with a strong Mercurial-Aquarian theme. As a norm, I function in society is a andrygonus way. I can behavior as female or male, but unusually in a ambiguous mixature of both. I have often be accused of trying to be male, although I have no desire to be exclusively male. I have no desire to be exclusively female either, and openly reject a number of social constructs that apply to women, including the roles of mother, wife and "the girlfriend."

I having Virgo rising, and a Virgo Pluto in the 1st and acts a bit like a singleton, especially with my gender identity. I often wish that I asexual in gender orientation because my airy gender ambiguity has caused me so many social problems and resulted in a lot of psychological injury from me (god, people can be so cruel). In a form of self-protection, I try to project an asexual facaded, which keeps people from reaction so strongly or negatively to my gender ambiguity.

As for sex itself, I can be intensly sexual or completely celibate and detached. I have Aqua Mars (known for its sexual detachment) in the 6th (an earth house). Sex is very fascinating and enjoyable or me, but I can easily live without it.

And while I don't believe in past lives, if I did have a past life, I'm sure that not only I regularly changed biological gender, I would have been a man in the last life.

Last comment: the idea that Uranus is a homosexual planet is just bogus. It's rooted in social distortions and the confusion between sexual orientation and gender identity (again,they are distinct - that means they are NOT the same thing!). That's bad astrology, pure and simple.

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posted September 28, 2005 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another great post GN.

Natasha you said ,"Sexuality is determined by early childhood experiences, it's easy to deny that and go straight to a past life rationalization."

I just wanted to clarify that this statement, most likely based on Freud's theories, is false. Scientists do not yet know what determines sexuality. Most likely it has both a biological and an environmental component, but to claim it is determined in early childhood is only a weak theory at best. Some research suggests that varied fetal hormone levels can affect sexual behavior in mammals.

Additionally ,there is a brain region called the sexually dimorphic nucleus (in the hypothalamus) that is the same size in gay men that it is in women. It is 5x smaller here than it is in men. Whether this is inborn or acquired is unknown. I just want to make sure that no one thinks that sexuality is either A) a choice, or B)Definitely determined biologically or environmentally, because frankly no one really knows for sure yet.

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