posted January 17, 2006 06:12 AM            

you think someone who has a scorpio rising and neptune but pretty liberal freedom loving natal chart, can still come off jealous, possessive, and as intense as a scorpio sun?is scorpio one of the strongest rising signs to have?

my scorpio rising guy seems to enjoy making me jealous, and get a "rise" out of me(ESPECIALLY WHEN IVE ****** HIM OFF TO HIGH DEGREE-which seems to be happening a lot lately) at times, sometimes i dont say anything, and sometimes i get so insanely jealous, and i think he gets off on it at times(he doesnt do it constantly though...thank god)...he has a sag sun and pisces moon.

posted January 17, 2006 07:38 AM              

That kind of reveals what he thought love should be, Tell your current b/f that nothing lasts forever and life is short but you want to spend every moment loving and not fighting and if he can't do that then tell him you can be by yourself, and talk with your old friends, in fact you need it. By the time you get back, that night, he will get it.

My ex was like a little pushy and rough on me emotiionally, looking back I would have kept him down a bit ego wise. He's now with a girl he doesn't dare disrespect. And I am learning how to be bitchy.

posted January 17, 2006 09:52 AM              

But when I'm mad, I can be quite caustic. That seems to be th only time. If I'm back into a corner or feel threatened in any way, I respond in a defensive manner.

posted January 17, 2006 03:43 PM              

id love to know what ppl think bout me.

i hate the following ppl always read me wrong. i always get what i want seriously. i provoke very strong reactions from ppl without wanting to. and i create situations with complications just to feel alive if that makes sense.

i love it that
i sum ppl up pretty fast and accurately.
if i think something i can portray it in a manner that the other person would take it on as their thoughts. this sounds ridiculous, but ive tried it more than a few times.

posted January 17, 2006 08:06 PM              

I have Pluto trine Sun and I am nothing like that, I am caustic if I believe a person is doing something wrong. My sister has Pluto conjunct Sun and she is judgemental and harsh with others, even she admits it.

I don't get the constant judgements about someone's hair and clothes? What difference does it make if they change anyway, and it's so petty and wrong when we all need colour and interest in our own lives. I find it nutty to change due to someone else's standards of dress.

The way we are is due to our emotional state, so if I dress in a pink vest is that because I am infringing on someone elses lifestyle? What about my feelings? Judgemental people suck.

My sister still has elaborate birthday parties for the babies in our family, with the correct outfits! They are freaking babies already, they don't care!

This is off topic but the best way to care for a Scorpio rising honestly is the same as with any water rising, be honest, truthful and open in your actions so they feel secure. Tell him what you intend to do, rather than what you are doing, and stay hopeful and happy so that you know the negativity is not yours.

Water tends to absorb and reflect what you are, if it gets so negative you can't cope then detach from the relationship or enlist the help of water sun sign friends.

posted January 17, 2006 11:29 PM            

My boyfriend has scorp rising. He isn't overtly jealous and possessive, but it's there. His most obvious scorp trait is his ability to sit and wait forever for the perfect moment of "justice" (as he sees it... and he will.) He will wait forever and he never, ever forgets.

posted January 18, 2006 01:13 PM              

Natasha IS a Taurus. I think she made a typo...

posted January 18, 2006 03:20 PM              

I know I can be intimidating. Sometimes I use it to my advantage, other times to protect others. There is a very rigid fixed energy about it that doesn't mix well with my Pisces mutability. If I am offended or angry it takes every bit of willpower to calm down, which thankfully I have. I always feel vengeful against those that hurt me, but rarely do anything about it.

I like to think that I have mastered the energies as best I can and use the determination, willpower, insight, compassion and strength to reach for Truth, rather than create my own truth by manipulating others and the world around me, which I believe is the shadow energy of these placements.

Dominance, control, lack of compromise, anger, retribution, and viciousness are the hallmarks of the grey lizard.

The Eagle is strong (though I think Dragon could be more appropriate), fierce in indivduality, radiant and magnificent, powerful, compassionate, protective and honest, regal and indomitable, but gentle with weaker souls.

You need your own source of indomitable strength to live with it, and compassion on both sides to reach the height of intense and passionate understanding and emotions present here. No shrinking violets or quivering wrecks of misguided morality. Its a huge commitment that goes beyond "average" relatonships, but if you are up to it will provide you with the deepest connection of your life (if thats your thing of course).

I think I am lucky to have combined Piscean understanding with Scorpio Power. But even then, it is a constant battle to remain noble. Like trying to drive a Ferrari when you are drunk.

posted January 18, 2006 04:29 PM              

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I think I am lucky to have combined Piscean understanding with Scorpio Power. But even then, it is a constant battle to remain noble. Like trying to drive a Ferrari when you are drunk.

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Pisces, Aqua Moon, Scorp Asc here - I can be quite intense and moody, jealous, too (no, I'm not bragging - those're not a good things).
My husband (Aqua Sun, Taurean Moon, Scorp Asc) is just the same way...though if it's pointed out to him he seems baffled.

posted January 18, 2006 06:11 PM              

Heart Shaped Cross, I agree with the spirit of what you are saying. Keep your optimism because it's a valuable resource.

Shoptoomuch-do you have any pluto aspects to your sun?

Being around a Scorp rising, will keep you honest though, if it's hard to do that. It's easier to be very direct and honest rather than be misunderstood. I imagine a Scorp rising would make a good therapist.

Natasha

posted January 18, 2006 07:24 PM            

Natasha -

Thanks. I feel self-conscious and dirty -- almost human! -- expressing that kind of superficially-unabashed negativity, but, I know I have to get it out (and doing it in private takes muuuuuch longer.) Thank you for understanding and sympathizing with the spirit of it. I will keep the optimism, I know how valuable a resource it is. Thanks...

I knew you were a taurus, i was just being absent minded, i guess... Is Pluto in your 11th, 'cause that might also fit with the "sharing goals is crucial."

(I've been making everything about myself lately, but I cant resist): You want to talk scattered? Try having Aries on the 3rd, Mercury in a critical degree! in the 10th house!, closely conjunct Mars!!! (ruler of 3rd), in Sagittarius!, trine Jupiter!, Gemini on the 5th And 6TH!!, and ascendant ruler (also, traditional ruler of the 1st house moon) in Virgo!!, on the 8th. And I dont have to tell you about Uranus (higher octave of merc) in my chart. Oi vey!

Thank you for bearing with/humoring me,
I had to get that out.

oh, one more thing,
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eh-hem, thank you.

btw, I think you are awesome.

... which brings me to Swerve...

Swerve,

Weird manic currents..
I loved reading your post.
I'd elaborate, but it would sound stupid and effusive.
I like you. Dont EVER change!
You are a beautiful boy (in the sean lennon sense), and, if you were a girl,
I'd be slitting my wrists right about... now.
(You get the idea.)

posted January 18, 2006 07:47 PM            

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But when I'm mad, I can be quite caustic. That seems to be th only time. If I'm back into a corner or feel threatened in any way, I respond in a defensive manner.

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Same here. My sister was joking around (sort of) when she said this, but we were talking about getting angry, and when it came to me she said, "When you get angry, you get mean." I think she was referring to my arguments with her boyfriend (mostly). That was the first time I ever remember having been called mean - I was never one for sarcasm or being nasty when I was younger - I don't like to hurt others, and try to avoid personal attacks, but I've been reacting that way a lot more over the last couple of years, when feeling defensive. During that time I've had Uranus aspecting several personal planets, Saturn squaring my Aries planets (and returning to its natal spot), and Pluto trining my Mercury/Sun.
If someone has been nasty to me, it'll hurt for a while, but I don't like seeing them go through anything bad; I feel bad for them.

posted January 18, 2006 09:43 PM              

shoptoomuch, I was curious because it seems that this scorpio rising is drawn to you and closer than you like sometimes. I too have a pluto ruled south node and pluto aspecting the sun so I was very curious as I have much trouble with seeing jealousy when it's simmering. It's part of nature but it takes years to see the signs.

The saturn sextile your sun gives you a patient personality that puts up with quite a bit of emotionalism. And your handle about shopping, and Saturn, do you really like to be around beautiful things and want stability in your life? Possibly you are the rock among your friends and get overwhelmed.

My ex has Saturn aspecting his Sun and I always put him through my emotions expecting him to understand better due to his patient nature. (good example of the stable Saturn personality). He had absolutely no idea why! Saturn aspecting the Sun seems like a magnet for emotional people, that's my thought process. Tell me if I am wrong. If this is right then remember your limits and set boundaries when someone is emotional.

Natasha

posted January 18, 2006 10:12 PM            

How close? According to steven arroyo, if a planet is within 4 (or was it 6?) degrees of a house cusp, it can be read in both houses.

I have (asc ruling) Saturn sextile Sun.
I have definitely attracted wounded birds.
I would have thought it was the 1st house Moon,
or the Scorpio Sun,
that makes others turn to me so much for emotional support.
But, now that you mention it,
the Saturn sextile, especially from the 8th house,
could help "stabilize other people's emotional resources".

Its definitely a phenomenon, though;
I meet someone once,
and they start confessing everything,
or telling me about their unfortunate penis size, or something.
This happens so often, I forget that its uncommon.

posted January 19, 2006 07:09 PM              

Lots of air, says I must see a therapist to keep me focused, and I prefer weekly when I can.

Regarding the the 1st house moon,
It does like to share and give, my ex had this too. But it's more about sharing than being the rock. Wounded birds is more of a Saturn thing. Not a bad aspect because ultimately it balances out the emotionalism and causes others to give back, stay near you and depend on you emotionally. As long as you take care of yourself, these riches will come back to you and give you a stable, happy, beautiful home, and family life. There could also be a draw towards the country.

My ex's wounded birds all came back to him and give advice, connections, gifts, he has many women friends who adore him. As long as he allows himself to be a guest and accepts without being embarassed people are always giving to him. When I imagine him stable and happy, I am tranquil because he is respected and loved by many.

On the other hand he craves respect more than passionate love, so he prefers to "baby" women. I prefer to connect to someone (these days) who sees me as an equal, and shares the same problems, even if there are many! My ex and I often talk about getting back together but he still finds me too emotional. I also get along very well with Cap ascendants, or Saturn conjunct Ascendants.