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vmarijav
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posted February 20, 2006 11:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course I am looking for astro info to confirm especially what happened on our first meeting astrologically and on all the others. I wanna know if we are really destined to each other - seems like we met at the end of our saturn cycles (i'll be 28 this summer and he'll be 42) and just when we needed to meet. I wanna know about the emotions involved, sexual attraction, the intensity of it all. Is it the same for him?yada yada yada.i really never felt this before and i think its the same for him.

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posted February 20, 2006 06:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

Thanks very much indeed. Actually, I try not to disturb you by posting more questions. However, frankly speaking, I have studied Uranian Astrology for a year since I would like to clearly know the answers of the above questions. And finally, I found you who clarified me so many points. My wish today is to clarify above points completely so I do not have any doubts in my mind again. Then I can move on completely. I hope that if you have time, pls help me again reply below questions:
1)"Not quite, because Pluto to Pluto becomes generational and hence Pluto being in between Venus and Pluto would not be a perfect double whammy for soul mates. Unless it indicates another connection like the Vertex one." Actually, his VERTEX opposes my Venus and is 5 degree away from midpoint of his Pluto and his Venus. So, this axis would have VERTEX involved too. Does it add any more meaning?
2)I have to apologize that my English is not good. So, I may not be able to understand complex English sentences well. "Total sexual mega attraction, more of you to him than him to you." This sentence was mentioned after EROS aspects in natal charts. So, it should be the feeling for the whole story, not for Feb 16 only, right? Actually, "more of you to him than him to you" means what? I am confused because of the "of" and "to". I asked my friends who are experts in English. They are not sure too. So, I think I have to ask you
3)My story is complicated. However, if I do not tell you, you may be confused with my case too. Ok. This is my story. I am a girl. My Ex is a girl (tomboy). My Venus opposes my Uranus! I am considered myself straight now since I do not like girl sexually. I stayed with her since she is the first person who came to my life and I did not want to dump her since I could stay with her without any problem. She is (and will be) only one person in my life who I was attracted to. After I met this guy, my life transformed. I did not feel like to stay with my Ex anymore. I have had this guy in my thought every minute since then. However, I did not want to dump my Ex anyway. I do not want to feel guilty for the rest of my life. I waited till one day she dumped me for her own reasons. Anyway, I knew later, after phone conversation with this guy for 6 months, that he is gay!. He told me himself. He told me that he used to love and date one girl for 4 years. He never had sex with her since he was not so sure whether he would marry her. After that, he never dates a girl anymore and decided to be gay for the rest of his life. Anyway, after seeing each others for 8 months, my heart told me that it is not possible that he never reciprocate my feeling. Then, I asked him whether he loves me, he said that he did not love me sexually. He said that he did not know why he felt upset to see or hear that I was attracted to other Thai guys. He could not understand himself. (I do not understand either!) You do not have to analyze his Mar. I can tell you. He loves sex like normal gay. He told me that everything will change if I am just a man. Actually, he told me that in his point of view, I look attractive to a man. It really hurts me a lot. Sorry for long story. Could you please analyze whether he lied to me or not that he never love me as a lover while you now know that he is gay/bisexual? If you can score the sexual attraction he should have with me astrologically in 0 to10 scale, how much you would give for his feeling to me and my feeling to him? 0 is no feeling and 10 is ??? (You can defy for me). Please analyze based on astrology not the story I told you.
4)Can you tell me whether he is bisexual or gay? His Sun opposes Moon. His Venus square Neptune. Can he love a woman? If not, then all above analysis regarding Venus, Pluto, EROS would not be valid at all, right?
5)My Mar is 128.3 degree apart from his Venus. So, we cannot consider it as a trine, right?
6) My North Node square exactly to midpoint of His Sun and My Venus and to midpoint of His Venus and My Sun. His North Node semisextile My Pluto and also sextile My Venus. Any more meaning regarding destiny? "True Node in the midpoint of Pluto-Venus would be like 'Future Destiny of Love' trigger and South Node would be like a Past Life love affair Deja Vu. " Did you talk about my case or just gave an example? What is Past Life Love affair Deja Vu?
7)"Yes, your charts look like lover soulmate but in the world of the spirit, even fantasizing satisifes the aspect. If you intensely fantasized about him sexually, your Higher Selves will consider it as "Job Done" and hence you dont have to physically consummate even if you are lover soulmates." Oh my god! If he never fantasizes about me sexually, then the job is not done, right? So, what would happen?

I know that you have to help others people too. I can wait. Thanks anyway. Wish that all your helps you did to others would make you good luck in love one day.

Thanks a lot.

Alisa

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Iqhunk
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posted February 21, 2006 02:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,
This has to be the most complex case that I have seen in my life. My knowledge of Astrology itself is going to be pushed to the limits here. I have not seen any evidence in a chart of a man being gay/bisexual or a girl being bisexual.
I do have an advanced perspective on Reality that explains Gays/Lesbians in a proper model in the Universal scheme of things but I can never explain that here without confusing everybody.

I will tell you what, I am going to relook your charts with additional asteroid aspects to Pluto, Neptune and Uranus to see if there can be more evidence on whether he is twin soul or just soul mate. I will also study Vertex and see if it makes any specific aspect to each others Lilith/Eros/Juno/Vesta/Isis/Osiris/Karma .

Your case needs very deep study, so please be patient.

However, the more important thing is that you should not be depressed. The Karmic lesson is quite perfect here. You both had a bad marriage in your pastlife even though you both loved each other emotionally back then. To make you both realize each other's importance, you have been born as a girl with some lesbian tendency and he as a homosexual with almost no straight desire. If he can choose to convert himself to be a bisexual atleast, and then love you both emotionally and sexually, it might heal all the karmic issues. If not, it means you can heal yourself, attract another guy and live happily ever after. He will have another lifetime to heal himself.

About my confusing statement of "more of you to him than him to you", let me say it was incorrect English. The correct meaning is that your sexual attraction to him was a lot more in feeling than his attraction to you.

I was right in one thing atleast, no straight man can resist a Thai girl


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Alisa
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posted February 21, 2006 06:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

I really do not know why my life is always complex. I know a tarot fortune teller who is ranked top 10 in Thailand. He is gay too. He also told me that I got the most complex case in his life too. Every time I went to consult him and ask about my guy's feeling. The card I got would be the lover or two cups, meaning that he loves me too. Iqhunk, I would try to stop more questions since I think that today you would be really headache. However, I cannot resist my curiosity. Pls accept my apology here.
1)"You both had a bad marriage in your past life even though you both loved each other emotionally back then."Is that from astrology as well? Can you explain astrologically what stars confirm that we both loved each other back then?
2) Regarding twin souls issue, I think if you are patient to read my story below, you would know why I am so believe in that. When we first met, I felt in love with this guy after 15 minutes talk. I felt that I have long been waiting for him. He is the second person in my life that I love. It is hard for me to fall in love anyway. My Thai name means "girl" while his Thai name means "boy". He got a bachelor in advertising and got a job as an account executive in advertising agency. Then he went to studies language in Iowa and Master in Computer Science in San Francisco. Then he came back to work in gift-exporting business and left later to start a company selling beauty products. For me, I got a bachelor in computer science from the same university that he studied. Then I worked as an account executive in advertising agency. After that, I went to San Francisco to study language and to Iowa to study MBA. Then I came back to start my gift-exporting business. Later, I planned to expand to beauty products. When I thought that I would say something to him, he would say that thing to me before I opened my mouth. We noticed that we were in the same place at the same time. For 8 months that we were seeing each other, we met every week. Most of the time, we did not have any appointment before, we called each other and ask where each of us were at. Normally, it would be around 1-10 minutes walk/drive away since we were going to/were at the same places. Then we ended up meeting each other every Saturday by chance. You should know that Bangkok is not small. It is kind of usual for us now if we meet each other coincidentally on the street in Bangkok. This kind of situation is very very very weird for me. Many times, we found out that we do the same things at the same time. I got a program to plot Graph of Life (12 variables in x axis like love, job, etc. and 12 scales in y axis). Guess what, we got exactly the same graph! Before I knew him, I used his nickname as my name on the score screen when I had bowling competition since every time I changed to this name, I would win. I do not know why. For him, before he knew me he thought that he would like to use "Lisa", which actually is my English name, to be his brand name of the products! We have lively exchange of ideas since he told me that I am the only person that can read his mind. When he faces any situation, I know what he is going to do since I know what I am going to do. So long story, hah.
3) Based on what he said, he does not think that having sex with a woman would be like hell, but not the most he wants. He think that he loves masculine figure. He thinks that I have masculine power inside. Probably it is true since there are a few girls loving me now. Sooooo confusing. Actually, I just would like to know whether we can be a couple. That's it.
4)"The correct meaning is that your sexual attraction to him was a lot more in feeling than his attraction to you." Oh! "to" makes me confused. I still do not know whether he like me sexually more than I like him sexually or the other way around. Sorry for my foolishness! Pls be patient with me :P
5)"If you intensely fantasized about him sexually" What is the LEVEL of "intensely"? I do not think I do it intensely. Actually, when he is with me, we both are very comfortable and feel relaxed. I do not feel that I would like to kiss him, etc. I just like to have this guy besides me all the time. Probably, it is that because I am pretty much care of love a lot more than sex. Would the "job done"? No! No! No!

I will be patient to wait for your reply since I have been wait for this reply for years. If you can give it to me, you are my angel!

Alisa

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Iqhunk
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posted February 21, 2006 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,
OK, let us do this step by step.
It is not just about Astrology here, it is also about your happiness and fulfillment.
If we see complexity, we must try innovative solutions.

I have re-analyzed your charts.

I will call your Twin as "B" as in B for boy.

Indications of B's alternate sexuality from his chart:
Asteroid Lilith is EXACTLY conjunct Ascendant in 22 Pisces.
This might give him a feminine personality which would mean he is attracted physically to masculine bodies.

Aquarius Moon with Uranus in 8th House but with KARMIC DEGREE, 29!!!
This could be the second reason. Uranus could have completely overturned his sexual orientation
because of some past life issues. The Aqua Moon would not consider this to be anything strange so the subconscious will be very comfortable with this decision.

Saturn is in 5th House of Romance. Romance will be very difficult for him.
Asteroid Juno in Leo is conjunct Saturn. Juno represents the characteristics in a woman
that a man finds passionate. Leo is a masculine sign. So he will find
masculinity in a woman very appealing. But Saturn will prevent this expression from blossoming.

Mercury is in Virgo and Mars is in Gemini. Both these houses are currently ruled by Mercury, which is a planet that is neither masculine nor feminine. Plus Mercury opposes asteroid Osiris, which represents the Divine Masculine aspect.

Thus, B's sexual orientation is astrologically tilted towards bisexuality and probably he became
fully homosexual for fulfilling his Karmic burdens.

From his Chart, I feel he is bisexual and not 100% Gay but maybe he converted himself to 100% gay. You asked about his sexual feelings for you. If he chooses to, he can make it 10/10; All is possible with true determination.

Friendship and Emotional Feeling and Mental affinity, those will all be 9.5/10;
However, Mars/Venus are not TRINE, we need atleast 125 degrees for trine.


Alisa's Chart:
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You have Asteroid KARMA in the Karmic Degree of 29 in Pisces! This clearly means heavy karmic
burdens to resolve. What has been missing in your life is what you may have caused to be missed to another in a past life. Mars is also in KArmic degree of 29 Aries! Mercury is also in KArmic degree of 29, in Aquarius and this conjuncts AScendant.Asteroid Eros is also in KArmic degree of 29 in Sagitarius. You have too much heavy karma in love, sex, communication and relationships to resolve.
It does not mean you were a wicked demon in the past life. WHat it means is that your Higher Self decided to collectively resolve several different past life mistakes in one life to make your future in this life and later your next level of existence on Earth or elsewhere to be very smooth and happy.

This is another reaosn why your life is so complex and why you had to experience lesbianism
for 10 years.

Composite Chart:
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You were 90% correct about the Saturn/Venus exact conjunction. Here are more reasons why
B cannot be sexually attracted to you:
The degree is 16, 16 is NUmerologically "Shattered CItadel", a somewhat tragic number.
THe house is 4 or house of home and family. This conjunction will make family next to impossible.
The composite KARMA is 13 Gemini, 3 degrees conjunct to SAturn/Venus . This proves that
your present condition of love/friendship minus physical fulfillment is FATED DESTINY.


Fulfillment:
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Your double whammy aspects which you wrote in the initial post, and the wonderful true incidents
of your mental connection which you have said now make it clear that B is your very beloved soulmate of your soul cluster or even TWinSoul. Your Venus is exactly opposed to his Vertex and your Vertex is conjunct Pluto. Perfect conjunction. 90% he has to be TwinSoul.
Earlier I did not study about Vertex and now after reading about it, I understand that
this is very much a PLuto/Venus/Vertex double whammy.
But TWinSoul must sexually fulfill you. He does not seem to be willing for that.
How can this riddle be solved?
Answer: Innovative thinking and deep focus to go towards YOUR true destiny.

Look at your True Node. It is in PISCES, sign of spirituality and Universal Unconditional Love.

You have been given a very difficult challenge.

Will you love your TwinSoul even if he will sexually not fulfill you?

To win this challenge:
You must learn about Karma, SPirituality, Yoga, HIgher Self and cheerfully fulfill your true destiny. Soul outside physical plane is genderless anyway and higher level love is always non sexual. You have to meditate regularly and mentally forgive your self of all your misdeeds of past lives. This must be done like a ritual, daily 5-10 minutes of forgiving yourself, then forgiving everyone else in all past lives and this life. Just feeling this forgiveness is enough, affirming or speaking it will also help. FOcus a special minute exclusively for forgiving B and for affirming that you will love him no matter what.

One Parallel Solution:
Try slowly convincing him to consider a physical relationship with you as a "friend" who cares, because you care about him so much. Should not friends aim to please the other?
He can always fantasize about his gay friends with his eyes closed while making love to you.
He can also imagine you to be his gay partner because he did say he likes your masculine side.

Best Solution:
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FInd out what exactly you want. What would make you happy lifelong?
Do you want sex only with him? Why? Just to fulfill the mental connection? What if there is another man who will physically satisfy you better, even if there be not much spiritual connection? What if it is practical for you to be with another man for family and sex, and to continue being true and deep friends with B? No straight man is jealous of his wife's gay best friend so this arrangement could work really well.

Think about it. Ultimately, the objective is to be as happy as possible while fulfilling your own Karmic Destiny.

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celticfyre
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posted February 21, 2006 02:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Iqhunk,

I have read and done charts on other sites for my crab and me. But would like a human to interpret for me. I try really hard to learn and absorb all the technicalities of reading charts and Tim's sight is helpful and he has looked at mine generously. Am wrestling with understanding of my Crab's and my relationship as I feel it is not over---more is to be revealed in the future and it has not been totally defined..I feel intuitively that he is a twin a soul mate or someone who is strongly connected to me and I am seeking the WHY or the What. I want to see astrologically with our charts what you or some others may think after looking at them.
Here is our info:
ML (me)born November 13, 1964 Fort Belvoir Virginia (USA) --fort belvoir is in Fairfax County at 0326 am est
Crab born July 5,1964 Silver Spring Maryland USA at 0001 am est (one minute past midnight if I typed it right Feel free to ask me any questions. Thanks

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Alisa
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posted February 21, 2006 05:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

First of all, thanks a lot. I should be a really bad guy for many past lives I am happier now. I am thinking of him less and less every day. I think that the best last thing that I can give him is Freedom. I would let him have his own life. I do not want to call or contact him anymore since he asked me to do so. I think that if he wants me, he would come back to me himself. I think that he is too young to know what he really wants and what is important to him. When he is older, probably 1-5 years later, he may come back to me. At that time, I do not know whether I would get married already or not. And what you said is true. No husband would be jealous of his wife’s gay friend. Then, I can have him for the rest of my life. How lucky I am, hah!

“Your present condition of love/friendship minus physical fulfillment is FATED DESTINY.” Can you explain the meaning to me? I cannot understand.

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Alisa
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posted February 21, 2006 05:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Continued. I do not know why I cannot send long post. So, I have to separate them.
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You suggested many alternatives. So, in your point of view, although we are twinsoul, he MAY or MAY NOT love me sexually, right? You wrote “But Twin Soul must sexually fulfill you. He does not seem to be willing for that.” I just would like to know whether he feels it but he chose to deny it verbally to me OR it is also possible that he never feel it at all. Now, you are the person that understand our charts most. Before, I thought that twin soul should love each other as lovers, not just friends. So, am I wrong? Our country does not have twin soul concepts. No one heard about this. I know since I got overwhelming weird situations. Then I found out the information from the net.

If we are beloved soulmate, can he loves some body more than he loves me in this life time?

How much % of hope that we can be a couple? Is it all up to his decision or is it something that you can tell from the charts? I can accept any fact. What is your opinion?


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Alisa
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posted February 21, 2006 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Continued
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After in-depth analysis of our charts, would you still insist that he just has to love me sexually? “Your sexual attraction to him was a lot more in feeling than his attraction to you.” Is it still true? If yes, please, please clarify your English. I still want to know whether he like me sexually more than I like him sexually or the other way around.

My south Node square exactly to midpoint of His Sun and My Venus and to midpoint of His Venus and My Sun. His south node sextile My Venus and trine My Pluto. I am curious to know the meaning of this. I heard from other posts in this web that south node is about past life. However, I do not know how to translate the aspects.

I know that our charts have a strong double-whammy aspect: Venus trine Saturn. So, if he chooses me, I do not have to worry much about separating or his turning to be gay again, right? How about if we choose not to see each other anymore, would the aspect force us to come back to be friend again and again? Is there any chance that we would have parallel lives for the rest of our lives? Would this aspect force us to be together for the whole life at least as friends?

Can I forgive myself for my past lives? In Buddhism, if I did something wrong to anyone is my past life. It should be that person who is able to forgive me. Since he would not forgive me for what I did to him in past life, I would have to do it myself, right?

Frankly speaking, parallel solution seems to be out of my way. If I choose this way, I will feel like I am a sex object. Sex is not important for me at all, actually. I asked many times about “loving sexually” since he kept telling me that he does not want me sexually. That’s it. I never have sex with a man before. I think I can stay alone without having sex with anyone for the rest of my life. However, if I have him with me, this is my ultimate dream. If I can get only his body, I do not want. I will feel better if he stays with his gay partner and fantasize me instead.

I would wait for him anyway while I will open myself for a better guy who can make me love him. I know that no matter how hard I try, I will love him for the rest of my life. Unconditional love is what I have tried to do. (I did bless for him and his gay partner to be lucky in love when he was broken heart!)

You can reply me whenever you have any time since now you are popular. Many others need your helps. They are more important than me since I feel better now. Thanks a lot!

Alisa

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Iqhunk
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posted February 22, 2006 06:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CelticFire,
You and your Crab's composite has Mars in 7th and Venus in 8th. Thats quite good for relationships, partnership energy and passionate love!

Composite Isis exactly conjuncts composite True Node in 28 Gemini and this exactly Quincunxes composite Karma in 28 Scorpio.
This indicates that you two are karmically bound to assist each other in understanding the mysteries of Isis that will help fulfill part of your original true node's requirements. Isis represents the Divine Feminine. Loyalty to spouse, creating a "child" [it can mean a new invention, idea, insight, product, email forum, book etc done together.] and deeper knowledge/wisdom.

However, composite Saturn squares Juno and Vesta opposes Uranus. This is not a good set of positions for a smooth sailing relationship. Composite Sun/Pluto conj opposes Chiron and Neptune opposes Jupiter whilst squaring Venus. Chiron is in 3rd house so communication will be hit. Also composite Mercury is in Karmic degree of 29 in Virgo. You might say things to each other which are accurately critical and hurt each other severely because of the accuracy. This Mercury also squares True Node/Isis.

Jupiter is in Taurus so material success can be hit by dreamy Neptune in Scorpo.

Too many challenges exist with many advantages. Thus, your relationship is not ideal for something like marriage but quite good for a group project or friendship where these oppositions and squares can be used for growth, and the attractions can keep the friendship permanent.

About Your Chart:
It is very interesting. Your Pluto in 16 Virgo exactly sextiles Eros in 16 Scorpio, sextiles ISIS in 15 Cancer and squares Juno+Karma in 16 Sagittarius.
Venus in 16 Libra sextiles Juno/Karma and semisextiles both Eros and Pluto exactly.

Thus, you can be obssessed with love, sex, erotocism, sexual love, passion, death, transformation, all sorts of occult practices and even sex magick; especially scanning for nitty gritty details in this.

Neptune conjuncts Eros in Scorpio so this can cause heavy erotic fantasizing. This leads to energy loss and must be prevented to help you focus more and channelize the enormous energy potential into creating great positive realities for you.

Uranus conj Pluto in 12th House, so you might undergo the expereince of mystics with flashes of insight on the occult regularly.

You will be undergoing a Uranus opposition in a few months and soon Saturn opposition in 2 years.

Since Uranus opposes Chiron, transit Uranus will be conjunctin your Chiron anytime now. Thus, be prepared for a wound that will heal your soul in a most unexpected/bizarre manner.

Sun opposes Jupiter exactly and hence luck would have been topsy turvy in life, leading to forced exapnsion of knowledge, spirit, learning from bad luck events and so on.

The birth number of 13 indicates that you will attain some sort of Mastery and dominion on a certain area.

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posted February 22, 2006 09:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk,

You said that a Twinsoul must fulfill his/her partner sexually. I disagree.

It is not a must since twinsouls can be with other people and remain with those people (married, with a partner, etc), other cases involves different sexual orientation like Alisa's case or even more complicated twinsouls of the same sex (Rumi and Shams?) They never consumated their union, Rumi was intoxicated with love (2000+ plus poems) for Shams, his son reported that Rumi used to walk around the house love-high. So, the idea that TWIN love is crowned by the sexual expression in the best case scenario is valid but to fulfill that is not a requirement for it to be labelled TWINSOUL love.

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Iqhunk
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posted February 22, 2006 09:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, looks like you are right Neptune's muse. We can re-apply Fayte's soul cluster theory with this condition:

1. Twin Soul need not sexually fulfill in some cases.
2. If 1 is true, a memner of soul cluster can also exist to sexually fulfill if the native has the desire.

I remember now some girl on this site had a twin soul guy with whom she shared an amazingly perfect connection but the boy was homosexual! They were born on the same day I think.

So, Alisa is the second case in this forum!


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posted February 22, 2006 09:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, LQ, I am still relatively new to all of this -- where and what have you studied to learn your information? Everything I find on the web and books is very superficial.

Your insight into past lives, Karma and numerology is fascinating. I want to be like you one day! Where does someone start?

Also, I read in your posts about 29 degrees being karmic.... I have venus and ceres at 29 scorpio, 1st house and chiron 29 degrees pisces, 4th house. What does this mean?

I also have Saturn in my fifth house, like the girl from Thailand's ill-fated boy friend. I don't suppose there is any way to overcome difficulites with romance? (A little hope is always good, and if I was very, very bad in a past life.... I have already been made sorry enough......haha)

Sandra

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Iqhunk
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posted February 22, 2006 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi MysticalDream,
<<Your insight into past lives, Karma and numerology is fascinating. I want to be like you one day! Where does someone start?>>
Let me modify your wish for you.
It should be "I want to have knowledge like you, and much more, one day".
Because to "BE" like me means too many awful trials and experiences. Sort of like baptism by the fire of mental, emotional and psychological torture.

I have the Saturn in 5th house Leo too. Maybe you have been through it all and worse in a different way, I might be overestimating the exclusivity of my mental suffering. And after 900 of my messages if this is the first time someone is asking, then it means you could be on the threshold of needing some info stored in some dusty corner of my brain computer. Maybe you are like a female Neo and I am a hunky Oracle

Anyway, you can develop all that I know and lots more. It is actualy easier for girls because of more intuitive powers and less distraction.

I can give the info step by step. Maybe you can create a new string and let me post, you can meditate on it, I can ask questions, I can see your answers and the moment I see that you equalled or exceeded what I knew at that level, I can post more info/books and so on. There are no perfectly correct answers by the way, it is the METHOD of answering and analyzing info from 360 degrees that counts.

There cant be teachers or preachers because teach is an anagram of cheat and preach has cheap and rape in it.
There can only be group learning and discussion and back/forth suggestions.

Are you game?

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posted February 22, 2006 11:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<< I have venus and ceres at 29 scorpio, 1st house and chiron 29 degrees pisces, 4th house. >>
OUCH....

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Hi Iqhunk,

Wow, thank you for the interpretation. I am curious about "the wound that heals my soul in an unexpected bizarre manner". Sounds as if the relationship between my Crab and I is not impossible but, challenging. I will keep all in mind as our realtionship goes along and see where it takes us. I am curious about how you see his chart any insight would be helpful in understanding him a little better. Communication has been a challenge for us we are caught between the feeling of "not having to speak " to communicate and not saying things for fear of being rejected and ruining things on both our parts. that is soemthing I would like to overcome with him or anyone else for that matter. also could you elaborate more on the teachings of Isis?? Thank you again for your careful and thoughtful insight

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posted February 22, 2006 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LQ,
Yes, I am game! It would be awesome to have even a portion of your knowledge...... .
I have been through many, many difficult things starting with childhood, also. I am trying to learn, grow...... instead of "giving the middle finger" to the universe....... which I sometimes feel like doing instead...
PLEASE, PLEASE share your information!!!

Sandra

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posted February 22, 2006 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LQ,
I am definitely game...... I responded before but it didn't show up; I'm not sure why. I would LOVE for you to share your brain!!!

I noticed you said OUCH, to the venus and ceres at 29 scorpio........ I had a feeling this wasn't good..........

Sandra

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posted February 23, 2006 03:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the best brains in Aghora Tantra was Vimalananda. He had two great gurus.
If the senior guru would have seen your 29 degree positions, he would have exclaimed with joy "What a great chart! She is going to suffer so much in life!"
We would feel distraught but from the perspective of the enlightened, tremendous suffering burns away residual karmas very fast. The Thunderbolt path. The moment you
burn a certain percentage, you graduate to possess knowledge that will help you discover on your won your means of super-evolution. Evolution is the destiny of the ordinary but for those who take on extra suffering, it is Super-Evolution.

You will know things in 30-40 days that took 30-40,000 years to learn in the idyllic days of eons ago. The Era called "Sathya Yuga" or "Age of Truth" in Vedic cosmology.

Also, your suffering theoretically stops today. Any other suffering from now will be like a car wash, instant cleaning. Thats it.

Anyway, I will have to analyze your chart completely to learn your intellectual strengths because I have to prepare part of your syllabus accordingly. No point in reinventing the wheel, whatever I know even 90% to be the truth, I am going to distill out from the tons of books I have so that you save that time for your self learning.

You can post the Natal info on the string you made for our discussions. Or if it has to be secret, email it to me at tsaied@rediffmail.com .

No more Ouch, ok

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posted February 23, 2006 03:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk, my

I am interested too. Is it possible for me to join? My English is not good. I do not how much I can understand the English texts. However, I will try since I think if I can help people like you do, I will be very happy.

Alisa

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posted February 23, 2006 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Alisa,
Your English is very good and should there be any problem in understanding anything, just let me know, I will try to explain better.

I dont help anybody, I just analyze along with them so that everyone can learn. Your own case for example, it has thrown so much light for everyone about the complex nature of love. So you are an angel too

I have posted an introduction in SAndra's message string: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008398.html

I will repeat the relevant parts here.

1. Spirituality is subjective. You must define your own criteria for what you would accept and reject. You must also be mentally prepared to accept what you had confidently rejected earlier and also reject what you had confidently accepted earlier

2.
Critical Questioning is necessary too.
For example, take Dr Richard Leaky, the main proponent of Evolution from Primates. Using one piece of bone he calls "Lucy" which has been dated to around a few million years ago, he and thousands of academics have built up the evolutionary theory using this "missing link". One bone. One million pages of explanation by one thousand PhDs.

Now you must have seen several 65 million year old Dinosaur Fossils in perfect conditions in a museum. 100s of such musuems exist. Where are the human bones of 15,000 years ago, 150,000 years ago, 400,000 years ago and so on IF 65 million year ago bones are so perfect and so numerous ?

Where are all the old human skeletons??? WHy are scientists silent on this???

3. Fact is stranger than fiction. Many movies, comics, books will contain true wisdom. You must always try to spot it to improve your grasping power of advanced subjects.

4. SYNCHRONICITY: Always contemplate on why you saw a certain number after an intense time of work, rest, meditation, conversation and so on. Were there name coincidences? Did you see a character in a sitcom and then find that the waiter in a restaurant has the same name?
Noticing synchronicities builds awareness.

5. We must practice the ability to find a link between two unrelated objects.
This holds the key to "Living Knowledge" as opposed to "Dead Knowledge".
I will elaborate on this later.

6. What kind of unexplained events have happened in your life? DId you see any dreams that became real in the future? Did you get feelings in your heart about a person telling the truth or lies? DId you know you will get a contract before you got it? Can you feel anything of his type.
Share with us so that we can spot the unique spiritual mechanisms in your life.

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posted June 16, 2008 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump for the newbies

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darkdreamer
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posted June 16, 2008 08:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

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It was an interesting read for me, because I partly could identify with it.

Especially with the part of having been attracted to a gay man (P) for the most part of my adult life despite the futility of such feelings.

And in my case there has also been a lot of Eros-interaspects:

His Eros:
square my Venus (1)
trine my Mars (2)
opposite my Pluto (2)
trine my NN (3)
conjunct my IC (2)
trine my ASC (0)

My ERos:
sextile his Moon (1)
sextile his Juno (0)
trine his Mars (0)
sextile his Lilith (2)


And we also shared some of the mentioned midpoints:

His Venus / Pluto opposite my Venus (0) (along with his Pluto being trine my Venus)

my Venus / Pluto opposite his Juno

his Eros / my Pluto conjunct my Venus
my Eros / his Pluto conjunct his NN


Even in the composite there is a lot of Eros-action:

Eros:
conjunct Karma (2)
opposite Psyche (0)
opposite Neptune (2)
square Valentine (3)

trine Mars (2)
trine Uranus (0)
trine Pluto (5)
sextile Chiron (0)

Actually Eros is part of two aspectfigures:

T-square of
ERos / Karma opposite Psyche / Neptune square Valentine

Kite of:

Eros trine Mars trine Uranus / Pluto

And Uranus / Pluto is exactly opposite Chiron


I thought this was interesting.

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posted June 16, 2008 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

Was IQ talking about the midpoint between persons A venus and persons B pluto being conjunct the first meeting chart's moon, etc or conjunct the transits that occured during that day? I have never heard this before and it sounds very interesting.

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