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Alisa
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posted February 16, 2006 07:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found my twin souls 3 years ago. There are lots and lots of reasons to believe that we are twin souldmate. I have read tons of definition regarding twin soulmate. Our relationship meets all of those criteria.

My birthdate is March 5, 1970, 5:37 AM, Los Angeles, USA.
His birthdate is August 21, 1975, 7:55 PM, Bangkok, Thailand

However, till now we still be friend. We understand each other very well. He is the mirror of me.

Our synastry chart has the following aspects:

Venus trine Saturn (double whammy)
Sun trine Mar
Sun oppose Mercury (double whammy)
Sun oppose Sun/Moon midpoint
Sun oppose Ascendant
Ascendant conjunct Moon
Venus semisextile Uranus
Moon sextile Mar
Venus sextile Jupiter, Venus semisextile Jupiter (I do not know whether I can call double whammy or not)
Mar conjunct Jupiter
Venus conjunct Ascendant
My north node oppose his venus, my venus trine his north node (I do not know whether I can call double whammy or not)

I think it sounds good. However, our composite chart has a big problem.
Venus conjunct Saturn
Sun conjunct Saturn

However, in the composite chart, there are the following aspects:
Venus trine Uranus
Venus trine Moon
Moon trine Uranus
Venus square Ascendant
Venus semisextile Mar
Moon trine Saturn
Uranus oppose Moon/Venus midpoint

My questions are :
1)Do you think he loves me sexually or as a friend? (I love him since the first day we met. I do not know what he really thinks. We are still be good friend.)
2)Would our relationship as a couple not happen just because composite Venus conjunct Saturn?
3)If we are a couple in the future, would our relationship turn cool since composite Venus conjunct Saturn? Would other aspects soften it. Would we have long-lasting relationship?
4)How can I predict when I would be lucky in love with this guy?
5)I do not know why we do not have Venus aspects Pluto to show that we are twin soulmate. We got many coincidents, phychic abilities to connect to each other, similarities in many many issues and so on that we cannot deny that we are not twin souls.

I hope that expert in this web site can help me. Please. Please. My heart has been broken for 3 years.

I do not know whether first-date meeting is important or not. FYI, I met him on Feb 16, 2006.

Alisa

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Iqhunk
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posted February 16, 2006 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You must be meaning Feb 16 2003 as first date.

If the Moon was exactly in the midpoint of your Venus and his Pluto on that date, then he is your twin soul for certain. Otherwise he is your soulmate to help you learn something about yourself. Meaning you will be happy as friends itself, need not be as a couple. It might also work as a couple, just one difficult aspect need not cause a problem.

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Alisa
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posted February 16, 2006 01:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for correcting me. It is Feb 16, 2003. Actually, it was not my date. It was the date wecoincidentally met in Frankfurt.

Do you mean the transit moon? Actually, I am a beginner astrologer. Sorry that I have to ask more. I am not sure what time we met, it should be somewhere around noon till 5 PM. If it is 4PM, then the transit moon would be the midpoint of my moon and his pluto in the 90 degree dial chart. However, if I use 360 degree dial chart, I do not see anything like that.

What do you think?

Thanks

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wilsontc
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posted February 16, 2006 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa,

Putting astrology aside, after 3 years it is only fair to him to tell him how you feel. And then see what happens. It is tempting to try to control things so you do not come on "too sudden", but by delaying things this long you only risk sending "mixed messages" to him and extend your time of unhappiness. I wish you both the best.

Relating,

Tim

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For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc

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Neptune's Muse
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posted February 16, 2006 02:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk,

You mentioned the moon being on the midpoint of Venus and Pluto (hers, his), why not the other way around? HER Pluto and HIS Venus? And what about same sex relationships? How do you calculate the midpoint of someone's Venus and another's Pluto, I am not sure I get you? What are the grounds of your observation, I am intrigued...

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Alisa
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posted February 16, 2006 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

I notice that from the progressed chart on Feb 16, 2003, his progressed moon is SQUARE my Venus/his pluto midpoint exactly without any orb.

So, when you talking about moon, do you mean either my moon or his moon, not the transit moon, right?

Thanks in advance if you can confirm whether I understand correctly.

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Neptune's Muse
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posted February 16, 2006 02:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa,

I believe it is the transit moon, since the course of the moon has a lot to do with relationships, projects, beginnings and endings, and Iqhunk mentioned it as being conjunct the midpoint on the meeting, hence it is bound by a certain time.

I am still intrigued by the theory! I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION, IQHUNK, WHEREFORE ART THOU!?

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astro junkie
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posted February 17, 2006 12:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Alisa

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Arnicka
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posted February 17, 2006 03:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa ~ In your synastry are you the Sun person or the ASC person re: Sun Opposed Ascendant? Just curious because I have the same aspect with someone that I have a very close connection with.

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Iqhunk
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posted February 17, 2006 04:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi NM!
<<You mentioned the moon being on the midpoint of Venus and Pluto (hers, his), why not the other way around? HER Pluto and HIS Venus? And what about same sex relationships? How do you calculate the midpoint of someone's Venus and another's Pluto, I am not sure I get you? What are the grounds of your observation, I am intrigued>>

I dont know why I come up with this sudden ideas but lately I am convinced that the Moon or the Ascendant on a certain day acts like a switch to turn on the effect of destiny transits. I have observed this in stock markets where the Ascendant or Moon position change takes a stock down or up and so on. Linda mentiond this technique used by a Virgo astrologer in Love Signs in the "Virgo-Virgo" chapter too.

Then I thought if two people are destined to be soul mates, then they should have lots of double whammies. The ultimate Twin Soul double whammy is Venus-Pluto and Alisa and her boy do not have this double whammy. So I thought out of the box, maybe the Venus-Pluto double whammy for them is a sort of Lunar trigger on the day they meet?
Moon does rule emotions after all. If it is at the midpoint, it becomes a Venus-Moon-Pluto link of love.

You are absolutely correct, it should work on her Pluto and his Venus too. I am normally a male chauvinist so I associate Pluto with the man and Venus with the girl

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Iqhunk
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posted February 17, 2006 04:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Calculation Example:
If Venus of the girl is 11 Libra and Pluto of the guy is 7 Leo, the NEARER midpoint is 64/2 or 32 degrees from 7 Leo towards 11 Libra or 9 degrees Virgo.

If the Moon is in 9 Virgo at the time of meeting, things could go BOING with Cupid emptying his quiver, shooting them all over, IF they are destined to be soul mates/twin souls.

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Iqhunk
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posted February 17, 2006 06:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He may or may not be your Twin Self but 100% definitely a Soul Mate with whom you will be sexually supercharged.
Your Asteroid EROS is in exact midpoint of your Venus and his Pluto. His EROS is exactly between your EROS and your Pluto.
Your Venus is opposed to midpoint of His Venus and His Pluto.
Total sexual mega attraction, more of you to him than him to you.
If you were a guy and he was a girl, you would have got an instant woodie during the meeting.

The Transit Moon opposed your Natal moon during the meeting and this triggered the emotional reactions on top of the sexual mega attraction.
He would have been aroused too but he may have controlled it. Transit Moon was exactly square his Eros on that fateful day.

I would strongly suggest that you cast the emotions of any possible rejection aside and tell him your feelings openly. You two will physically enjoy each other a lot, no harm in enjoying that when he is your soulmate. If he wants to be friends, then I am sure he will make a great and loyal friend. You must give him the options because he is 5 years younger.

When he is 45 odd, he will start chasing younger girls so maybe the marriage wont work lifelong. Unless you stay young always as an immortal.

Anyway, free and frank and honest discussion with him that you are attracted to him is the best course of action according to me. And just enjoy each other after that in any kind of relationship.

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Neptune's Muse
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posted February 17, 2006 12:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hunk of the IQ,

Hmmmm, interesting observation and theory.
What say you then about North Node, or SN, or Vertex at that midpoint instead of Asc. or Moon? I say Vertex at this midpoint could be pretty powerful since this is a gate in itself.

...if this point is gate, then the vertex at this point is the gate within a gate, and on its own or with a MOON transiting the vertex at the point would NOT only be super-mega-activation of whatever cosmic powers within the portal of the chart...it would be a cataclysmic explosion of portals of recognition...any manifestation of this on charts you have seen?

A moment of abstraction...

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Iqhunk
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posted February 17, 2006 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would agree wholeheartedly [except with the Vertex part because I know nothing about it to comment]. True Node in the midpoint of Pluto-Venus would be like 'Future Destiny of Love' trigger and South Node would be like a Past Life love affair Deja Vu. However, those are still placements, the actual switch would still be the Moon or Ascendant of that particular time. Mostly Moon. Unfortunately I have not seen such blessed charts but do look at my post on Alisa and her man's chart. They have a divinely arranged EROS set up for them, which is so mathematically precise that it confirms the role of destiny in human lives. Especially when they met in a famous "transit" Airport city, Frankfurt.

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Alisa
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posted February 17, 2006 02:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iphunk, wilsontc, Neptune's Muse

Thanks very much for your time and suggestion. I really appreciate that. 1) I do not have Venus aspect Pluto in Synastry with him. His venus and my Pluto are 19 orb apart. That is too too far, I think. Anyway, in real life, how we met, how we feel toward each other, many coincidents, same tastes, same life path, etc, I cannot deny that we got twin soul’s qualities in all criteria. Anyway, I do have Venus conjunct my ex’s Pluto. We stayed together for 10 years and we did not have any twin soul qualities at all.
I just notice that my Sun oppose his Venus/my Pluto midpoint. Does it have any meaning regarding twin soul? Iphunk, pls help explain.
2) Sorry that we met in town not at the airport. So, it should not be “transit”, right? For the first time I met him, we had 15 minutes talk, I got feeling that I have long been waiting for him for the whole life. I did not feel anything like this before. Then we were apart and met each other coincidentally again in Hong Kong on October 21st that year.
3) “his progressed moon is SQUARE my Venus/his pluto midpoint exactly without any orb.” Sorry, it is a mistake in calculating. Pls ignore this sentence.
4) Arnicka, ASC is mine.
5) “a Soul Mate with whom you will be sexually supercharged.” For this sentence, do you mean that we are destined to be together as a couple, not only friends, right? And what is the meaning of “more of you to him than him to you” and “instant woodie”? Sorry that my English is not so good. For the sexual attraction, do you mean that HE would feel that our relationship is not only just friends but a lover one too, right? By the way, we do not have Mar and Venus aspects. My Mar trines his Moon with 8 degree orb. I think it is too far.
6) Regarding VERTEX, his VERTEX conjunct his Pluto and oppose my Venus and sextile his North node (my Moon trine his North Node). So, based on interpretastion in the book I read, he is my ex-wife in past life.
7) After I read suggestions. Yes. I decided to use 3rd year anniversaries of our first-date meeting (yesterday) to finalize things with him. He said that “We should stop seeing each other, stop telephone calls, and keep contact by emails only. He feels that I try push him to be a lover while he do not feel it that way. He never has any sexual feeling with me and never fantasizes me sexually." I think the way I look now is not a problem since no one can tell my age. To other people, I look young and do not look older to him. And he said that we are compatible. He cannot see why a guy would not like me. However, for him, he thinks that we can be only friend. My heart today was torn into parts. I probably lost him for life. He has gone now. I do not know what to do. Do I have any hope? Does he lie that he never has sexually feeling with me? From the past, he is a very nice guy and never lies to me in other matters. What should I do? Is today outcome is the final destiny of my love with him?

Probably composite Venus trine Saturn would really prevent us to be a lover for this life. Any other good aspects may not be able to help me.

I would really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance.

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Iqhunk
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posted February 18, 2006 03:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<Does he lie that he never has sexually feeling with me? From the past, he is a very nice guy and never lies to me in other matters. What should I do? Is today outcome is the final destiny of my love with him?>>

This is very confusing to me now. Astrologically, he definitely should have very deep sexual attraction as well as friendship with you.

From your interpretation of Vertex, it would mean that you were destined to meet and be friends for certain. For any next level, you have to cleanse your past and present life issues. I am confident that it can happen because the accurate placement of EROS indicates this npossibiltiy very very strongly.

Now, what if you were a bad husband to him in past life? How can he be a good man for you in this life then? Karma has to be balanced. How will you do it? My suggestions:

Step 1: Stop being heart broken or sad. You have had a 10 year relationship, and now a great friendship and you can choose any man you want. There are 100s of millions of girls in Africa and India and China and Arabic countries who spend a lifetime without an orgasm and are just socially married to a man they have no affection towards. The amount of time you have spent talking to your men in one day when you were in love is less than the total conversation these millions of unfortunate girls have in a lifetime. Many have not even been kissed, just used as sex objects for one minute in the night and thats it. That is their life. For decades.
You are so lucky, it is high time you
appreciate it and be seriously happy about it. You are 1000 times luckier than 1 billion women and thats a trillion times of blessing given to you by God. PLEASE BE THANKFUL! Not only you, this applies to every girl who cries about breakup or heartbreak on this forum without realizing that they have a trillion times better blessing in life.

Step 2:
Forgive yourself for any heartbreaks you have caused in this life, and mentally affirm that you forgive yourself for all heartbreaks caused in all past lifes. Trust me on this, I have seen my past lives, and this method of healing works when done regularly over a period of time.

Step 3:
Forgive every man including the current best friend for causing any heartbreak to you in this life and all your previous lives.

Step 4:
Continue being a sincere friend with him. Tell him it is ok if he does not want to take the relationship further. Do this sincerely.
What will happen a few weeks later is:
a) He will suddenly change and reconsider

or

b) Like magic, your ex may change into a menatlly carbon copy of this current boy.

or

c) A completely new man will appear as if from nowhere with better attraction to you and much better astrological harmony than this.

Try it, it is the best route for a more happy life for you.


P.S
"Woodie" is a slang for a sexually aroused male member. What I meant was that you were definitely attracted in all respects to him, sexual, love, friendship, TOTALLY.


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villy
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posted February 18, 2006 01:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,
I found that there are lots of us out here who are going to such a phase of confused relationships. Definitely something in the sky (like Iq mentioned in some other post). Its like some situation which might turn sour; still it is like it has been destined for some good reason. Dunno
Hang on bravely

V

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vmarijav
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posted February 18, 2006 02:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk,

could you be so kind to help me like you helped alisa?i'd greatly appreciate it. i have a similar story that's troubling me.

thank you from my heart

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Alisa
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posted February 18, 2006 06:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

Thanks very much, Iqhunk. I did not know you before. However, I think that you should be not only a very smart person but also a very very kind person, without having to know your birthdate!

For him, he already said that he cannot be my friend anymore. Anyway, it is his decision. I would do everything that he asks me to do anyway, if it would make him happy. And I would still be his friend.

However, I still have curiosity regarding astrology. If anyone or Iqhunk can help explain again. I would thanks a lot.

1) When Iqhunk told me that, we are soulmate. I know that soulmate may mean friendship, sibling, brother/sister etc. Astrologically, you mean that we should be lover soulmate, not friendship one, correct?
2) “Total sexual mega attraction, more of you to him than him to you.” Do you mean that I love him sexually more than he does? Could you please tell me specifically what aspects in the charts telling this? I am very new in Synastry.
3) “What I meant was that you were definitely attracted in all respects to him, sexual, love, friendship, TOTALLY.” How about him? Does he have the same feeling astrologically?
4) How about if he is a girl instead and I am a girl too? Or if I am a man and he is a straight man? Would he still feel the same way astrologically? (This is an assumption only since, in real life, he is a man and I am a girl.)
5) Is it possible that he is a bisexual or a gay man so although the astrology would tell him to love me sexually but he would not feel it anyway?
6) When you mentioned about EROS, do you use first meeting chart or synastry chart? How about if the first meeting was one day before or after Feb 16, 2003? Would the interpretation still be the same? I remember that it as Feb 16, 2003. However, I am only 80% sure.

Thanks very much indeed.
Alisa

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Alisa
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posted February 20, 2006 05:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

You mentioned that "Your Venus is opposed to midpoint of His Venus and His Pluto.". Actually, My Venus is opposed My Pluto too. So, My Pluto is conjuncted midpoint of His Venus and His Pluto."

Then we would have relationship of My Venus, My Pluto, His Venus and His Pluto in the same axis. Would this astrology aspect tell anything more? Would the result be similar to double whammy of Venus/Pluto?

Thanks in advance.

Alisa

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Iqhunk
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posted February 20, 2006 07:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VMarijav, I will do whatever I can. I need your charts. I remember you very well, you asked in some board before and then just vanished!

Alisa, will tell you all I know about synastry, both from expereince and theory. Will get back to all your questions also tomorrow. Cheer up please!!!!!! Everything will be fine in a few weeks or months and then you will feel silly for having been sad!

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vmarijav
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posted February 20, 2006 07:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk,

thank you so so much. can i email you the data and the story for the charts...i'm very paranoid:-)

if not i'll post here.

i dissapeared due to a family situation that's stressing me out, but hopefully i'll be here more often now...thank you again!

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Iqhunk
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posted February 20, 2006 08:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi VMarija,
Let us all contribute to getting rid of your stress. Please post the exact Natal Information here, that way many knowflakes can analyze when they have time.
IF there is something you dont want to share here and still want suggestions, send an email to tsaied@rediffmail.com;
Now you cheer up too. Addressing the situation solves 50% of the problem.

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Iqhunk
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posted February 20, 2006 10:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,

<<1) When Iqhunk told me that, we are soulmate. I know that soulmate may mean friendship, sibling, brother/sister etc. Astrologically, you mean that we should be lover soulmate, not friendship one, correct?>>
Yes, your charts look like lover soulmate but in the world of the spirit, even fantasizing satisifes the aspect. If you intensely fantasized about him sexually, your Higher Selves will consider it as "Job Done" and hence you dont have to physically consummate even if you are lover soulmates.

<<2) “Total sexual mega attraction, more of you to him than him to you.” Do you mean that I love him sexually more than he does? Could you please tell me specifically what aspects in the charts telling this? I am very new in Synastry. >>
Let me clarify. What I was trying to say is that on that fateful day of Feb 16 2003, you were more attracted sexually because your Natal Moon was opposed by Transit Moon. This causes intense emotional feelings, especially for someone to whom one is attracted astrologically. THe normal attraction was, is and will always be equal only.
To my knowledge, there is no inequal attraction in synastry from natal chart. If you connect a wire to a power source, electricity flows. Double whammy will just double the voltage in a battery. Transit is just a switch on or off of this power source to a certain amount of voltage from this battery. Your transit extracted 100 volts out of 200 of YOUR MUTUAL CHARGE but his transit took only 20-25 volts out of 200. If I gave the wrong impression, it is my fault of not writing properly in the first post

<<3) “What I meant was that you were definitely attracted in all respects to him, sexual, love, friendship, TOTALLY.” How about him? Does he have the same feeling astrologically?>>

Well, I think he just has to. But God only knows how he chooses to express it. Some men will get stimulated sexually by having a non sexual but deep conversation with someone they trust. They may choose not to consummate it with the same person. THey may choose not to consummate it at all.
THere are so many sexual issues with complex men and women these days. Some men get stimulated and sexually satisifed by watching videos of girls wo are not even naked but just smoking a cigarette. Some men are sexually stimulated and satisified by looking at a girl rub her left toes with her right foot and right toe with left foot. It takes all sorts to make the world. Your man must have been sexually satisifed just sharing your deepest thoughts and moments with each other.
We will never know for sure, unless we carefully analyze his Mars aspects.

<<4) How about if he is a girl instead and I am a girl too? Or if I am a man and he is a straight man? Would he still feel the same way astrologically? (This is an assumption only since, in real life, he is a man and I am a girl.) >>
As a straight man, he might feel brotherly or protective of you if you were a guy with such aspects. EROS asteroid might not take effect. He might rush to say the first good news to you and so on. The same can be expected if you both were girls. YOu would be like close sisters, crying together when one of you is sad and crying tears of joy together when the other gets proposed to and so on.

<<5) Is it possible that he is a bisexual or a gay man so although the astrology would tell him to love me sexually but he would not feel it anyway?>>
It is possible. Or maybe he likes to sleep with another girl imagining it is you. Maybe he feels he respected you too much to physically consummate sex. Many men and women are still a but shy, ashamed and uncomfortable about their sex organs due to social/religious programming. He could actually even see you as a Maternal figure! They wont be able to analyze it or express it. Sexual Psychology is very complex.

For a "normal" Cave Man type like me, if even an average looking girl gets horny and she wants me and I am single, I absolutely wont be checking the astro aspects. The good aspects will only help continue the relationship into something more meaningful than a one night blast.
According to me, it takes a very very very very very complex man to refuse sex with a good looking Thai girl.
In my book, actually he is a very unfortunate man to have refused you sexually and if I think about this anymore, I would actually start crying at his foolishness

<<6) When you mentioned about EROS, do you use first meeting chart or synastry chart? How about if the first meeting was one day before or after Feb 16, 2003? Would the interpretation still be the same? I remember that it as Feb 16, 2003. However, I am only 80% sure. >>
Hmmm, it may not be before or after. The Moon was exactly opposed to your Natal Moon on Feb 16th only. Moon rules emotions. Also Eros does not move as fast to change aspect in one or two days.

<<7)You mentioned that "Your Venus is opposed to midpoint of His Venus and His Pluto.". Actually, My Venus is opposed My Pluto too. So, My Pluto is conjuncted midpoint of His Venus and His Pluto." Then we would have relationship of My Venus, My Pluto, His Venus and His Pluto in the same axis. Would this astrology aspect tell anything more? Would the result be similar to double whammy of Venus/Pluto? >>

Not quite, because Pluto to Pluto becomes generational and hence Pluto being in between Venus and Pluto would not be a perfect double whammy for soul mates. Unless it indicates another connection like the Vertex one. I am not too sure on this.
Pluto-Venus double whammies usually need to be independent and idealy without midpoints. This is one of the disadvantages of those who have Venus opposed to Pluto like you and LIKE ME. I have a similar headache and that is why I empathize so much with you and am trying to cheer you up cause when I feel bad about not having any love possible [5th house Leo Saturn sq VEnus and Venus opp PLuto], I know how terrible you must be feeling at having unconsummated love and affection after finding someone to love.

Anyway, since you dont have Saturn sq Venus, I am absolutely positive that better or fulfilling love is in your way. Maybe your ex might change. Burton married ELizabeth Taylor twice!
But 99%, a better man is on the way. Angelina Jolie thought Billy Bob Thornton was her true love and even had his tattoo. SHe was so wrong. SHe got a better man in Brad Pitt.

So please stay cheerful!

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Iqhunk, i sent you an email with a story that accompanies this...

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