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Alisa
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posted June 26, 2006 06:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think of the one who you love so much that you really cannot forget till now. From looking at your friends/clients' charts, what aspects you commonly find? I mean, the aspects that are not only venus/mar or something that you can also have with somone else.

For myself, I can list only intense aaspects as follows:
Anti-vertex conjunct Venus
Venus quindecile Pluto
Sun/Moon midpoint oppose Sun

What do you have?


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Jazzebel
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posted June 26, 2006 08:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alisa,
after looking at many synastry charts, I`ve found that the most compelling and complusive of all aspects was partner`s Venus conjucting another`s Nodes, or their Sun or Moon conjunction to other`s Nodes (tight aspects). Sometimes a synastry lacking any strong mutual aspects whatsover but having Venus or Sun or Moon on another`s Nodes, that Node aspect alone was able to bring two people together into unsatiable and unexplicable appetite for each other and strong long-term burning passion.
example- Marie Letourneau/Vili Fualaau

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tbone
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posted June 26, 2006 08:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES;; ME 2... N.node conjuct the other persons Venus.. as well , as Venus squared mars (double whammy).. I found i met /got involved with people with Moon opposite my Moon .. Weird. or what??

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Selena
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posted June 27, 2006 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always find that people who were, or are, deeply in love, had lots of trines between their respective Sun, Moons and Ascendants. At least several trines between any of those, regardless whether there are squares or oppositions elswhere. If you find trines, or sextiles, mixed with some conjunctions here, the relationship is likely to be very deep and meaningful. Often I notice that if there is just a single trine between their Sun-Sun or Sun-Moon (say Leo-Aries, or Gemini-Libra etc), the people often say that they were in love with that person more than with anyone else.

The Sun, Moon and ASC are the most important planets and
points, and only after these come all the others.
I also find Vertex very often represented, and NN as well. Even NN conjuncting important midpoints (say Sun/Moon, Sun/ASC, Moon/ASC etc), seems to be very powerful.
If you want to read a really good book on synastry, totally non-judgmental and (I found) extremely accurate, I reccommend Steven and Jodie Forrest's "Skymates". Fantastic book, also includes house transpositions in synastry. They underline the massive importance of Sun, Moon and Asc in synastry as the most vital trio, without which, no matter how strong other aspects are, the relationship is unlikely to be very deep or long lasting. Because it is not Pluto or Neptune or Uranus that represent our deepest feelings and personalities, it is the Sun, Moon and Asc.
I find this to be very accurate, as I always notice strong and numerous interaspects between those three when people are very much in love.
And, now, for the real shocker!!! Most people I know, have Mars-Saturn aspect between their charts, any type of aspect.
This one seems to be very, very common, don't know why, but many people seem to have it in their synastry, regardless of other aspects going on. Conjunctions, squares, trines, sextiles, they are all represented! This is what I've noticed, but check it for yourself!

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Alisa
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posted June 27, 2006 06:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jazzebel
When you say NODES, do you mean only North Node? How about if South Node conjunct Venus? From your experience, the node or the planet person would feel more?

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CapGirl
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posted June 27, 2006 11:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely agreeing with the others... I have my NN conjunct his Venus, right on it both at 13 degrees, and a Mars-Saturn aspect which I believe is an inconjunct. Also, my MC is exactly conjunct his Venus.

Ugh- I'm never going to be free of this sucker! We're fated in the stars but one or both of us is always running scared.

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Full-fifthhouse-loulou
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posted June 27, 2006 11:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about if the North Node's are conjunct one another. Both mine and my hubby's NN are aquarius. Yet neither of us have any other planets in aquarius! Just those two.

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bullhead
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posted June 27, 2006 01:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
selena,
is true node the NN?
how if i have true node with true node conjunction and true node with sun conjunction, does that count?
tks

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BlueEyes24
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posted June 27, 2006 01:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most meaningful relationship BY FAR is the one I'm in now:

-our moons are trined
-our venuses are trined
-my sun is sextile his moon
-my moon is conjunct his ascendant
-my venus is conjunct his ascendant
-my venus is conjunct his pluto (I've had this in other relationships also - it's intense.)
-my sun conjuncts his jupiter and his jupiter trines my sun
-my moon trines his jupiter and his jupiter sextiles my moon
-my sun, mars, & mercury sextile his saturn, my moon conjuncts his saturn, and my jupiter trines his saturn,.. I think there's more but they're all with his saturn.

We have some challenging aspects like moon opposite mars, and a TON of oppositions in our composite.. but there are lots of trines, sextiles, and conjunctions in the synastry.

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Alisa
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posted June 27, 2006 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you check sun/moon midpoint? I understand that if your sun/moon midpoint conjunct, oppose or square the other's sun or moon, it is very important. I found this aspect in many friends that have "love of life".

Does anyone has sun/moon midpoint conjunct, oppose or square ASC of the other person? Do you feel that they are also strong? I have few case on this aspect. I just would like to confirm.

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Mama Mia
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posted June 27, 2006 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun conjunct Sun with my special guy in our synastry which is so powerful and this is the rest. feels we will never be apart..

Sun Conjunct Moon

With Sun conjunct Moon in the composite chart, the two of you will have a single- mindedness of purpose that is usually lacking in other relationships. This aspect is especially good in the chart of a love relationship. It indicates that you are truly complementary partners.

Your relationship has the potential for bringing something new into the world. This position indicates that you are somehow more complete as a partnership than as individuals.

Sun Conjunct Venus

The conjunction of Sun and Venus in the composite chart is one of the strongest indications of a love relationship between two people, even in a friendship. It does not primarily indicate a sexual relationship; instead it signifies love, pure and simple. The attraction indicated by this aspect is so powerful that it can bring together people who are incompatible by ordinary criteria.

If the relationship is laden with conflicts, even a strong feeling of love between you may turn to hatred. In most cases, however, this will be a very fine personal relationship.

Moon Conjunct Venus

The conjunction of composite Moon and composite Venus is a most positive aspect for any personal relationship. It indicates a strong feeling of love between you that you will express openly. The relationship may even have something of a dreamy quality, as if it were too beautiful to be true.

The basic inner strength of this relationship should be great enough to overcome all but the worst problems.

In general, this is one of the most positive and useful aspects that a composite chart can have for a successful personal relationship.


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Dulce Luna
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posted June 27, 2006 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa,

my Ascendant and Sun are opposed eachother in Capricorn and Cancer. Now, my bf's nearer sun/moon midpoint is in capricorn and his far midpoint is in cancer. My sun and ASC sit on BOTH of them. Now, I don't know about the "love of my life" thing, but wanted to be with him for a long time before it actually happened. Apparently, the feeling was mutual.

We also have the venus-northnode conjuction, but I can't tell which is which as all I know is my feelings.

Selena, I feel relieved that you say most couples have the mars-saturn aspect because me and my bf have the square. Everytime I read about it, I cringe. Ita always goes something like "the relationship is doomed" or something like that. He's the mars, I'm the saturn. I also have the aspect in my own natal chart and it can be a real doozie sometimes.

We also have a grande trine between my sun, his sun, and his moon. All in water.

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Selena
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posted June 27, 2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bullhead, technically True Node and NN are the same, so the Sun/NN connection is very powerful. If it is supported with other aspects and house positions, this smacks of a fated tie.

Dulce - I have many couples in my little "database" with Saturn square Mars, some of them long time married and very happy. I think that Prince Charles and Camilla have the square between the two, well, they seem blissfully happy to me!

Not all, but almost all of the couples I know have some Saturn-Mars aspect, a few of them a conjunction.
I don't believe in those articles that write of Saturn/Mars as automatically doomed.
It often looks to me that people just copy the same thing from one another when they write about some aspects, without the real observations and experience.

I mean, if you read things on the Internet, and even in some books, they all sound the same, as if people were just copying and pasting the same old things again and again. Even the wording is the same, like the broken record!

Now, I am not saying that these aspects are necesserilly "good", but they are not neccessarilly "bad" either, it depends on so many other things.

Put it this way, in some cases, Saturn-Mars aspects can mean long-term sexual attraction, Mars meaning sex and passion, Saturn meaning longevity and commitment. It all depends whether people are "using" positive or negative side of these planets, and how aware they are of their own natures.
If people can handle the Mars/Saturn energies constructively, these aspects can be, and are positive. Too many couples have them, for them to be disregarded automatically as negative, I am not buying into that!
Honestly, I noticed so many people having Mars-Saturn, that I am going to pay more attention to these two in synastries in the future. For instance, Prince William and Kate Middleton have the conjunction, if her date of birth given on the internet is correct. Also, Warren Beaty and Annette Benning, they've been together forever, 4 kids. The list goes on.
It is almost that in some cases this aspect does contribute to longevity of the couple, but please check this for yourselves, I am just writing my own observations.

Also, for Venus and Pluto - similar thing. When I was born, Pluto was in Virgo, so anyone who had Venus in Virgo (many Leos, Virgos, Libras, Cancers etc.) would have their Venus conjunct my Pluto.
In this regard, I am sorry to say, I don't agree with Linda Goodman that this is "the" soulmate aspect, as there are just too many people who would have it in the same generation, many of them on the exact degree. I actually know people with Venus in Virgo, who in their class at school, had several other people whose Pluto exactly conjoined their Virgo Venus. All of them soulmates? I don't think so, the influence is just too generational. Venus-Pluto certainly deepens the connection, but without the major Sun, Moon, Asc aspects, Venus-Pluto doen't mean too much.
I suppose that for this reason BlueEyes had several Venus-Pluto conjunctions with other people, because her Venus is in the sign in which Pluto was residing for a long time. But without her other GREAT connections in synastry, this aspect would probably not have been felt so strongly.

I mean, what do we do with all these people who have Venuses in signs in which Pluto was positioned hundreds of years ago (like Aquarius or Pisces etc)? Their Venus will never conjunct anyone's Pluto, simply because Pluto was in these signs so long ago, there are no more people alive with Pluto in Aquarius. So, does it mean they will never meat their soul-mate? I don't think so.

I am not trying to negate the importance of Venus-Pluto, it certainly have some influence, but we must keep in mind that Pluto moves so slowly, and if we have Venus in Virgo, Leo, Libra etc. we are likely to meet many people whose Pluto conjunct our Venus, even tightly, because Pluto moves so slowly, so whole generations of people will have this aspect with us.

But to meet someone whose Sun tightly conjuncts or trines our Moon is harder, because Moon moves so quickly, you blink and it had already moved away a degree or two.
Anyway, these are just my observations, I am very happy with dissagreeing opinions, that's why we are here for : we agree to disagree .

And in most of the posts above, there are noticable, and often numerous connections between people's primary planets (Sun,Moon, Asc) and this is where the real "love" lies, everything else is a supporting/modyfing act.

Doesn't even Linda Goodman in her Love signs, always emhasises Sun-Moon aspects (especially positive ones) as the main indication of people's soulmate connections? If you read all the combinations of Love Signs (I read them all), in every combination she is mentioning the pivotal meaning of Sun-Moon trines, sextiles and conjunctions. I also noticed that oppositions also mean strong ties, but we are talking here what Linda thought, and this is just the so called positive aspects between the two.

BlueEyes - You have amazing, wonderful aspect between your two charts! No wonder this is your most meaningful relationship so far! Your Venus and Moon conjunct his Ascendant - absolutely divine!

Anyway, I have to go now, I promised once to write down some of my observations, and these are some of them. More to follow...(a hint: I noticed that many long-term married couples, or committed couples have Sun-Chiron conjunction in their composite charts...). And Vertex - it never fails to surprise me! I often find Vertex and Anti-Vertex conjunctions to personal planets in important relationships in synastry. Any personal planet on Vertex (including Mars)seems significant.
Lots of love to all, S.
P.S.
Sorry about any mistakes in writing, I type very quickly and I miss some words or letters, apologies about that

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Jazzebel
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posted June 27, 2006 08:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, South and North Node are equal in importance. North Node is never more important then South Node or vice versa. They carry the same weight from the evolutionary stand point.
I didn`t know that Nodes were so prominent in synatry until I started to look at more and more charts and Nodes were involved in all meaningful relationships.Then I read Noel`s article on Nodes in synastry("Getting to Node you") and that confirmed my thoughts.
Of all aspects in synastry, the Nodes are the ones who I look at first. There are numerous occasions of having many trines and sextilles between two charts, you could nearly have that with anyone but Nodes conjunctions and Saturn aspects give that *love of my life* feel and produce an irresistible, fated, hard to understand pull (at least in my opinion).

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BlueEyes24
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posted June 27, 2006 11:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Selena-

"It often looks to me that people just copy the same thing from one another when they write about some aspects, without the real observations and experience."

ahhh I couldn't agree with you more! I hate that. I only have one astrology book, so I can't speak for that, but it's SO repetitive on every astrology site I go to.

And I also agree that just because you have one so-called "bad" synastry aspect, it doesn't mean the relationship is doomed. Especially a mars/saturn aspect - saturn shows endurance and is usually present in long and meaningful relationships. I actually read somewhere (I think it was cafeastrology.com) that Saturn usually has the upperhand in the relationship, at least in the beginning - in a way, it tries to restrict the planet person in some way - but in reality, it is Saturn who fears losing the planet person.

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bullhead
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posted June 28, 2006 01:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi selena
tks for answering my question.

second look again, we have chiron+ NN double whammies on the top of his sun conjunct my NN conjunct.

with his sun conjunct my IC, my venus conjunct his AC.

my sun sextile his moon, my venus sextile his moon & venus. AC sextile AC

we also have saturn saturn conjunction

mmmmmmmm

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natasoula
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posted June 28, 2006 04:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are a few aspects that I have with the love of my life:

- my Sun trines his Moon
- my Sun sextiles his Venus
- my Sun sextiles his Saturn
- his Sun squares my Sun/Moon midpoint
- my Moon opposes his Venus
- his Moon conjuncts my Ascendant
- his Moon sextiles my Chiron
- my Moon opposes his Sun/Moon midpoint
- his Moon opposes my Sun/Moon midpoint
- our Venuses are trined by sign
- his Venus trines my Mars
- my Venus conjuncts his Pluto
- his Venus squares my Pluto
- his Venus trines my Chiron
- my Venus trines his Ascendant
- my North Node conjuncts his Ascendant

We have many other favorable aspects, but unfortunately there are also a lot of squares in our synastry (like that nasty Venus/Saturn square, or a Sun/Mars square). But on the whole I feel like he's my soulmate. We have a very intense on/off relationship and no matter what I do, I just can't get over him.

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Alisa
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posted June 28, 2006 07:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selena

Thanks for your sharing for your great observation on Mar/Saturn. I have Mar square Saturn in synastry. However, I feel far better after reading your post here.

I agree with you that Venus/Pluto alone cannot guarantee that they are my soulmates. I have Venus/Pluto with some other guys as well but I do not think that they are my soulmates. For me, the aspect only create attraction.

I have “love of life”. Probably it is “love of the rest of my life”. I have the following important aspects. I think some of them may be more important than others. I would appreciate if anyone can give me some comments.

My Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct his Moon
My Sun/Moon midpoint oppose his Sun
His Sun/Moon square my Asc
His Sun oppose my Asc
His Moon conjunct my Asc
My Venus quindecile his Pluto
My NN opposite his Venus
My Venus trine his NN
My Venus conjunct his Asc
His Venus oppose my Sun
His Anti-vertex conjunct my Venus
His Vertex conjunct my Pluto
His Mercury conjunct my Vertex
His Moon/Mar midpoint conjunct my Sun
His Psyche/Eros midpoint quindecile my Sun and my Moon.
His Venus/Moon midpoint quindecile my moon
His Sun quindecile my Sun
His Sun quindecile my Moon
My Mar square his Saturn (Now I feel better with this aspect.)
His NN square my Asc
My Venus trine his Saturn and His Venus also trine my Saturn

Do you think that our feeling would be mutual? My feeling is really deep and wide. I mean I love him much horizontally and vertically. The reason I learn astrology is to find out whether the feeling is reciprocated or not.

Re: I write down many of quindecile aspects since I found that it is very strong. It is very obsessive ie my NN also quindecile his Sun.

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lovegoblin
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posted June 28, 2006 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi-
i have a question. how do you find
a quindecile in a synastry chart.
astro.com doesn't calculate them.
at least i didn't find it in their
aspect legend.

thanks to anyone...

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Alisa
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posted June 28, 2006 02:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quindecile is 165 degree aspect. I think you have to use other programs like Astrology or Kepler or you have to look at the astro.com's chart by eye to see aspect that is 165 degree apart.

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lovegoblin
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posted June 28, 2006 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how would you calculate the 165?
i mean exactly how do you do it so
i don't make a mistake?

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CapGirl
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posted June 28, 2006 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no expert... but I'd first look for what appears to be oppositions (signs across the wheel...cancer/cap., etc.) and then see what degrees you're dealing with and whether they're about 15 degrees off from from one another.

I'm sure there's a more sophisticated method.

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astro junkie
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posted July 01, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alisa -

Those Aspects you mentioned seem more like platonic-type relationships.

Hey Jazzebel -

I've been thinking of asking you to read a brief email from me, and respond at your convenience. Let me know and I'll get it together.

Selena -

I wanted to be sure I understood what you consider to be the most (and perhaps most surprisingly) observed patterns in relationships that are generally long and happy. At first it seemed like you started to say Inner Planetary Aspects, and I was keeping that in the back of my mind, and at the end you not only expressed your own shock, but shocked me by your confidence in the Mars/Saturn Aspect, in Synastry, of course ...

I'm a Libra - I'ze gots to know!

BlueEyes24 -

Thank you for that very (modest) rendition of what seems like true love! If you would have stopped at the Aspects, I would have been bummed. But you added those challenges you have as well, and I hope the work remains optimistic. Lately I've been wondering if true love is so strange because it's both real and an illusion. For example, certain Aspects which are not really known to be "romantic", yet if someone has a strong committment to work theme in their Chart, the reasonable reins on romance is actually preferred in the long run. What do you think?

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astro junkie
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posted July 01, 2006 05:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CapGirl -

It's been a few days ... Still running scared?


Mama Mia -

Would you say that having a Natal Sun/Moon Square teaches one that it is better to reserve some sort of emotional detachment in romance? I ask because there is a strong theme in my Natal regarding an obscure independence yet to achieve. That "Sun Conjunct Moon" part is something I'm admittedly jealous of because I ain't had it within me grasp mon.

In the end, we all want that, but some Natal Charts won't allow it to bloom fully until much much later in life. Sometimes I think the exhausted Pisces pixie who latches on to just the right guy is NOT so much exhausted as she is bored with the outside world. But for me, it oozes claustrophobia. Does that make sense? I'm sincerely interested.

Selena -

I understand what you say about Pluto and the analogy of a Class of students. I've questioned the very same thing SO many times over the years. It drove me crazy until I FINALLY internalized the fact that there is NOT someone for everyone at the exact same time. And who wants to get romantic with those people we knew before they had hair on their bodies? It's in human nature to explore, although most of us fear change.

I think the reader can sometimes read what they want it to say, especially if you are a strong critic or cynic. Keep that in mind. When I imagine Linda Goodman talking about something having to do with Pluto, I'm not thinking about how many people out there will have Aspects to each other, who should be together, but are not. I mean, I can be totally wrong here, but a "soul mate Aspect" does NOT preclude friendships and family, and even those we pass by on the street ONCE in our entire lives.

I try to remind myself that the Class can be a metaphor for a petri dish containing life itself. About 12% of the guys were always gay, 35% of the girls had never tweezed their eyebrows, and 2% have/had a very good marriage with their school sweetheart.

From what I've learned here, a Natal Venus/Pluto Conjunction can actually produce longlived celebacy, during which we are experiencing closer to what is more like making love to oneself required for true celibacy practiced ...

(... exaaaaactly ...)

It's not so much a sexual connection as it is idealized spiritual love, hence, the "soul mate Aspect".

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Alisa
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posted July 01, 2006 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astro Junkie

Actually, I do not list all the aspects here. Do you mean that we do not have Venus/Mar aspects so you think it is platonic relationship? As far as I know, there are many couples that do not have Venus/Mar aspect.

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