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Topic: "Moral" Signs?
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Peri
Knowflake Posts: 1848
From: 49N35 34E34
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posted July 11, 2006 11:48 AM
  
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Or has anyone noticed certain signs being more ruthless, two-faced, or hypocritical than others?
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This was just meant to be a fun discussion - that's all.
It definitely sounds like a fun thread, doesn't it? 
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Dulce Luna
Newflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 12:12 PM
I'm sorry but I have to agree that some Sag women have heinous morals. I love them but some of them throw social conduct out of the window. It's like they don't care if someone's attached or not. But I also know one Taurus woman who is like this too, and a pisces one for that matter. And also a cancer one who was born three days after ME, we have some of the same aspects.STHenri said something very important though:"A lot of people feel they are not accountable for others" And that I agree with. It has probably has more to do with upbringing than sign influence only. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted July 11, 2006 02:26 PM
I find Sun Sign or gender generalizations shallow and distasteful -- but then I'm usually the Devil's Advocate..... this has nothing to do with PC, just my personal taste.IP: Logged |
cristiname
Knowflake Posts: 66
From: Earth. Welcome!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 06:35 PM
- why exactly do you guys think it is astrologically corect to infer sexual behavior, relationship values and morals based on the Sun sign? Do you guys know about ...say... Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn? Not to mention the Moon - for family values. And their respective aspects...of course, some may say that the 7th and the 5th houses have soemthing to say about such things in a person. Their rulers, and everything else. Guess it gets too complicated to be fun, eh? IP: Logged |
cristiname
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posted July 11, 2006 06:35 PM
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CrankyCap
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From: Ohio
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 08:24 PM
Are you SERIOUS??? Honestly people, are you that sensitive? There was absolutely nothing said in any of these posts that was derogatory or hurtful. Also, you must feel that it is "beneath" you to join in on any discussion based on sun signs alone. My apologies for myself and any other people on here who are not so well versed in astrology.
I've been visiting this site for several weeks now, and I have seen many, many, MANY criticisms of different SUN signs. I've seen posts about your favorite signs and those of signs that REPEL you. That means signs that you usually find repulsive. And it seems that that was ok with you, but to discuss a generalization of who may or may not stick to conventional methods of dating - that's NOT ok? Notice I didn't say promiscuous. That was not what I was asking on this thread. Just because someone goes after someone who happens to be attached does NOT mean that they bed everyone they meet. The question was whether or not they would STOP themselves once they found out someone was spoken for.
Really, the bottom line is if you don't agree with the post, then disagree constructively. Don't start calling people shallow or ignorant just for sharing their experiences. Honestly, I could have cared less if someone came on here and said that most Caps are dirty ho's who would do it in a trashcan. I know that that doesn't describe me, but maybe many Caps are like that. OF COURSE you have to consider all the other placements as well as environment, upbringing, etc. But I don't have a Psych degree. This was just about an observation that I made. That's it. If it offends you in any way, then don't join in. What offends you may not bother other people. IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 08:40 PM
People start such threads because they have something against a certain sign. Whether they realize it or not, there is some underlining animosity for that sign. If you look closely everyone has mentioned one of the zodiac signs, some are basing their "evaluation" on what is written about the signs and some are just using a bias because they knew someone that knew someone. Personally, I have known EVERY sign to cheat. Every sign has cheated on someone and has been cheated on. I know several of the most so called loyal, steadfast signs that have cheated on their wives/ husbands (Fixed and Cardinal). I have know many signs here that have been accused of cheating NEVER cheat. Upbringing, social morals, some astrology, all plays into it. Cheating is a sign of unhappiness within ones self. Cheating hurts the cheater most of all because of all they hurt. Some people may go for married men / women because they feel there are no real ties and THEY aren't committing adultery. We all know better than that. What really torques me off is when we blame the "single" person as though the poor married person was just misguided or caught at a moment of temptation. Oh please... more than likely the married he or she has been doing it for a loooooong time. Personally, I hate cheating and I think it's a sign of weakness. IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 08:45 PM
cranky, I don't think you intended for it to go this way nor were you trying to single out a sign. We must always be careful about what we post because people can turn it into a hateful direction very quickly. It is better to look at the overall planetary placements in ones chart instead of a basic sun sign. If sun signs were the only rule - we'd see ALL Scorps in love with Pisces or Cancer people. We would never see the union of a Virgo or Saggie and I doubt Taurus would pay Leo much mind  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2006 09:04 PM
Cranky ~No person in this thread called any other person “shallow” or “ignorant” that I can see. Perhaps you thought there would be no problem with this topic since you had seen topics for “favorite” signs or signs that “repulse” you. Perhaps when you used the words “moral” and “virtuous” that felt a little more personal than general to some here….. And, this is what you wrote quote:
In other words, do you think some signs are more "virtuous" than others?
Couldn’t that be construed as your opinion that (fill-in-the-blank Suns) have “less virtue” than you, for instance?? What kind of implication DID you intend?? You didn’t mention anything to do with “conventional methods of dating” in your topic post.It’s my humble opinion that generalizations reinforce stereotypes and assumptions, like this one: quote:
i've seen sooo many immoral cappies(both sexes) that im quite perturbed now to even form a nice friendship with one-
That’s all I wanted to point out. And many of us are here to debunk that kind of newspaper-column form of "astrology" and get to the heart of why we are all so different and UNIQUE.....IP: Logged |
Scorpio Chick
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posted July 11, 2006 11:00 PM
Cranky, I 'get' what u meant by the post. I don't like to post a lot of things over here b/c well, sometimes this board is just way too uptight. Don't get me wrong, there is a ton of information here, but as you can see it's a bit on the harsh side.Personally, I think all astrology boils down to generalizations. I mean, we take someone's Sun, Venus, Mars etc and make generalizations based on what ancient people thought. While some of it rings true, some might not. Either way, it can't be proven. Join me over at dxpnet.com sometimes. They don't take things so seriously. IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 01:01 AM
Cranky, You can follow Scorpio Chicks advice if you would like. Personally I find her post to be rather shallow and ignorant of astrology. ScorpC, What exactly are you doing here if you believe "all astrology boils down to generalizations"? Maybe you are not quick enough to understand the geometry in aspects or maybe you have difficulty putting it all together. Hey it happens, not everyone has the ability to multi-task. I suppose settling down to cliff notes is much preferred to actually reading the full novel eh? Embrace your generalizations and carry it into your real life, I am sure you will go far with those types of stereotypes. If you want to learn and be serious, there is alot here and the astrology lessons on the forum page can open your eyes to the intricacies of astrology. Or you can choose to be ignorant to the lessons and act like a troll on astro boards blaring your "generalist" horn and thinking you are smarter than others. LMAO... Whatever option you choose, you can bet we aren't going to be crying about it tomorrow or the day after. IP: Logged |
sugar_buns
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posted July 12, 2006 01:20 AM
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It’s my humble opinion that generalizations reinforce stereotypes and assumptions, like this one: quote:
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i've seen sooo many immoral cappies(both sexes) that im quite perturbed now to even form a nice friendship with one-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That’s all I wanted to point out. And many of us are here to debunk that kind of newspaper-column form of "astrology" and get to the heart of why we are all so different and UNIQUE.....
ZALA, i was not generalising that sun sign as immoral or anything in my post...
i was just stating ny experience with them so far-that i've had bad experiences with them n im like once bitten twice shy kinda now...n that i know all ppl from that sign arent like that, if read my post again u'll notice.
u'll also see that i didnt mention that i hated that particular sign,infact the person i've admired n idolised since childhood is a cappy...IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 4416
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 01:50 AM
Do any of the signs portray more virtue than than the others? Virtue is really a perception, and as such no sign can reasonably win the, "I'm more virtuous," contest, because one person's virtue is another person's immorality. One person kills another in a virtuous act of heroism, while another curses that hero's "virtue" for having taken a life. One person lauds an Aquarius' humanitarian efforts, and another condemns the Aquarian for getting rich whilst living off donations intended for the humanitarian work the Aqua manages. It's all perspective.
__________________________________________Regarding generalization: Generalization: 2. A principle, a statement, or an idea having general application. Astrology and astrological charts are multi-dimensional lists of generalizations. There's no way around that. When you study astrology, you study generalizations. There are an endless variety of combinations that can occur, but certain themes will recur especially in the dominant attributes. If someone wants to field test a theory on what might be attributable to a dominant aspect of an astrological chart, why not allow it? The idea already exists. May as well make a case against the idea rather than attack the person. No one ever attacks a person for making a positive generalization about a sign, though you will find that certain people may disagree with the generalization based on their experience. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Newflake Posts: 8
From: ON Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 02:03 AM
Oh pu-lease!
I am soooo more virtuous than anyone.
I'm a virtuoso of virtues.
I'm virtually a virginal version of venusian virtuosity.
Vitruvian Venus eVolving very veinous volvos vying vernacular voices.That was sort of a fun exercise!
There are more V words I could use, but well, it would inVolVe a de-eVolution in virtues...
And I'm virtually a Vacuum of Vivaciousness via vowels.
Very much so. What were we talking about again? IP: Logged |
scorpiopride
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posted July 12, 2006 03:33 AM
WOW ummm this thread went kinda out into left field since i was last here.
Bet Crankycap never figured it'd go this way. Well I just wanted to say I thought it was a fun thread. I like looking at the darker, generalized side of astrology.
I'm still pretty new to astrology but I'm learning especially since joining here.
I like coming here and finding a few threads I can actually put my two cents in about, seeing how some are so far out of my league. Seeing threads like this make me timid about posting some topics I think are interesting.
I mean sure people are entitled to their opinions but do they have to be so harsh? Just because some of us don't know as much as others doesn't mean we should be treated badly for it.
I'm sure there was a time when everyone here didn't know as much as they do now.
It's one thing to guide someone in the right direction if they are wrong, it's another to put them down for it. I mean really what's wrong with these kind of threads, so there are generalizations made that are off base and people talk some crap. I don't think it really hurts anything.
just because someone else says one sign is a backstabber or something doesn't mean one will look at everyone in that sign as the same. I don't think anyone here is that ignorant.
Threads like this are all in fun and games anyway right? IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted July 12, 2006 03:39 AM
Shall we just say that this thread is being affected by the Mercury retrograde, and start over again? lol  IP: Logged |
sugar_buns
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posted July 12, 2006 04:00 AM
ABSOLUTELY!! 
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sue g
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posted July 12, 2006 04:50 AM
YEAH...... Now what were we saying about those Scorpio ones being sex mad paranoid jealous axe murderers..... HAHAHA..... Sense of humour hey....what would we do without it....  IP: Logged |
Lauren
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posted July 12, 2006 05:11 AM
Yup, Merc retro kinda sucks..LOL Pix.. Pixelpixie's pixelatingly ph-unny IP: Logged |
Peri
Knowflake Posts: 1848
From: 49N35 34E34
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 06:43 AM
To make it a real fun discussion, start with your own sun sign next time  Pix!
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sugar_buns
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posted July 12, 2006 10:48 AM
n dont forget those nerdy squeeky clean virgo serial killers who squeekitly clean there murder tools after the act...  IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Newflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 10:53 AM
Oy, I just re-read what I said about Sag women and realized that kind of harsh.Sorry guys  . I just had a foot in mouth moment.
There probably is no sign that is more virtuous than the reast. I mean, I know people of my sign that you could consider "skanky".
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Aquarius_Lover
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posted July 12, 2006 10:55 AM
Great post Pidaua. Very well said. Always struck me as weird and funny, as well as hypocritical, when I get aware of a couples broke up and the cheated spouse says the "other" "stole" his/her partner. I've seen this hapen close to me. In this particular case, looks like the "stolen" husband is mentally challenged, the other woman is a a vixen with super powers and mesmerized the "poor, helpless" husband and Saint Wife could wear Holy Marys halo. If the marriage was solid, NO ONE could break it up.If one of the partners strayed...that's on his/her shoulders.But the third person in the triangle is always to blame. This makes easier for the cheated spouses justify their own faillure.There is nothing another person could have done that would have made a partner stray if the marriage was making that person happy. I can never understand when a person catches their spouse cheating on them and takes off on the person they're cheating with rather than their spouse. Find out you are not the Center of Known Universe for your partner anymore its a terrible damage to the ego, but say the blame lies in the other only is the worst kind of denial. In a ideal world, people would work through the problems in their marriages. But for some, it is easier to walk away rather than working it out. IP: Logged |
CrankyCap
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Ohio
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 12, 2006 11:37 AM
Boy oh boy oh BOY! Nope...never would have thought this thread would get to this point. Actually I was almost a little afraid to read it this morning.Well, first off I'd like to thank AG for his post. He conveyed EXACTLY what I was trying to say perfectly. Thanks AG...that was a very logical and unbiased approach in response to this debate. Pidua - You seem to be an asset to this forum, very well respected here, and a wealth of astrological knowledge. I've read many of your posts, and you give sound and compassionate advice. No, I certainly did not mean to rub anyone the wrong way with this thread or to single out any "signs." I did however think your response to Scorpchick was unnecessarily harsh. It seemed like a personal attack on her and I don't believe that was necessary. Scorpchick - Thanks for the invite. I may have to check that out, but I don't believe I'll be leaving this forum anytime soon. For the most part I've had nothing but good experiences here and I've learned a great deal. Besides, a little conflict once in a while is good for me!  Sue, Spride, & Schick - Thank you all for validating my love for Scorpios!!!! AL & Pid - I agree with you both in the sense that anyone can cheat no matter what their signs, and that the married person committing the act is the one to blame. However, I also feel that the 3rd party should be held partly responsible as well IF they knew that the other was married. I always said that if a man's going to cheat he's going to cheat no matter what, but he's not doing it with me! IP: Logged |
Aquarius_Lover
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posted July 12, 2006 12:29 PM
@CrankyCap wrote:
____________________________________________I agree with you both in the sense that anyone can cheat no matter what their signs, and that the married person committing the act is the one to blame. However, I also feel that the 3rd party should be held partly responsible as well IF they knew that the other was married.
____________________________________________ Why? The married ones seem open and avaiable to others peoples interest. They put themselves in the market again BEFORE solve their prior wrecked relationship. This is the kind of highly moralistic thought that doesn't work in real life. IP: Logged |
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