posted November 16, 2006 02:13 PM              

But I can`t agree on what has been said on men with Mars in Capricorn. I love them!
My Venus is in Capricorn and I just love those men with Mars on my Venus; I`m insanely attracted to them. It`s a very physical, sensual attraction, burning hot, and it feels as if this attraction is resonating through my body. I definitely can feel the vibes. lol Maybe this has something to do with the fact that this conjunction falls into my 1st house.
Also, there are no difficult aspects from my Saturn or Neptune to my Venus. So no offsetting aspects.
But my Pluto is square my Vensu, and therefore also squares this guy`s Mars.
I`ve read all those horrible interpretations of Mars - Pluto-constellations, but when I look back, I`ve always experienced that as very passionate attraction (square and conjunction).
Ņf course there are also problems. My first love had his Pluto square my Mars, Ascendant and True Node and trine my Venus, and I was just obsessed with him. Well, maybe addicted to him is the better word. We fought each other and argued wildly, and since then I know what the word "jealousy" really means. I`ve never felt so posessed and posessive. It was so strong, that it probably couldn`t last in the end. But even to this day I say, that he probably made me what I am today. Or at least I wouldn`t be the same person as I am now, if we hadn`t met.
so, yes, yes, yes, Mars-Pluto can indicate ardent passion, but this passion has its price. And I believe there`s a real chance that it can get pretty destructive, but it depends on the persons involved.

DD

posted November 16, 2006 02:28 PM              

"Aggressive, Transforming, and Involved Experiences

There are no two planetary crossings that emanate such courageous, transforming qualities than Mars and Pluto. One is intensely dedicated and karmically driven toward an evolving goal that gradually changes ones life. In harmonious synastry, this aggressive drive is viewed as a powerful and sometimes overwhelming passion, especially when Venus is involved. The transformative, past-life influences of Pluto wish to take Mars to a new level of existence. Here, ones identity (Mars) is reshaped by Pluto. the passions of Mars are transformed and experiences on a deeper level so that the couple is changed emotionally for the the sexual experience. to feel passion there has to be depth. The pluto person will enhance t he depth of intimacy in the Mars person. The assertive Mars person will arouse the Pluto person toward sexual involvement. Mars is intrigued with secretive Pluto and wishes to explore the unknown. The impact of Mars-Pluto influences generates a soulful experience that cannot be described, but only felt.
Due to past life issues, difficult Mars- Pluto aspects can cause great resistance in a relationship. The couple mayb adopt a might-makes-right type of bahaviour pattern that brings unwanted stress. The Mars person may be demanding sexually with the Pluto person, who would rather be alone that night. The Pluto person may desire a sexually evolving rapport that the Mars person does not care for at the moments. Intimate conflicts arise that must be addressed. Pluto may manipulate the situation by enticing Mars to become involved, especially if jealousy is present. Mars may want to conquer Pltuos power to remain in controlled. A battlefield could easily develop if both people are not ware of their conscious and subconscious desires that could transmute or destroy."

posted November 16, 2006 03:10 PM            

Arnicka - Here are the actual degrees of the placements I mentioned before:

My sun, his mars - 3 deg. conjunction
His venus sq. my venus - 1 deg.
His mars, my mars - 8 deg. conjunction
My pluto sq. his mars - 11 deg.
My mars sq. his pluto - 13 deg.

We also have...

His sun, my moon - 5 deg. conjunction
His moon, my venus - 3 deg. conjunction

posted November 16, 2006 03:15 PM              

There are other aspects that could signify attraction like:

Sun - Mars
Moon - Mars
Venus - Mars
Venus - Pluto
Mars - Pluto
AC - Venus
AC - Mars
AC - Pluto

I also think, the ruler of the 8th house can tell a lot about the attractions between two persons. The ruler of my 8th house is conjunct someonč`s ascendant and he`s really a big turn on for me. lol

DD

posted November 16, 2006 03:24 PM              

I can totally relate on what you said about feeling addicted and also unsusually obsessive. I`ve always been a tolerant type and despised jealousy, but with this guy, who had Pluto square my Mars and now with the guy, who has Mars square my Pluto (the second aspect is very tight with an orb of 0°12`, I don`t know myself anymore. I`m soo jealous and posessive. I don`t like this and I control those feelings very much, but I could crawl up the walls, when he is not with me. It`s embarassing, how much I long for him.

Having said that, well, I think your Mars-Pluto-squares are too wide; personally I wouldn`t consider a Pluto-aspect that it`s wider than 3°. But everyone has their own opinion on this one.
However, I think that Sun-Mars-conjunction is quite tight and probably very strong, and Sun-Mars IS a passionate aspect. Rakela writes, if you don`t have a Venus-Mars-aspect you should look out for the Sun-mars-aspect for sexual attractiona nd passion.
Also you have a sun-moon-conjunction; that sounds marvellous. A true sense of belonging to each other and a deep feeling of attraction and completing each other.
And the conjunction of moon and venus? Well, that`s a sweet one, compassion, understanding, tenderness, feelings, feelings, feelings. Very good for emotional harmony I think.

DD

posted November 16, 2006 03:35 PM              

it`s heavenly, isn`t it?
And frightening at the same time. Well, maybe that`s just me. But I`m freaking out a little bit, because I`ve never had such strong feelings for anyone before. I don`t know how to deal with it. I`m always so controlled and kind of detached, even though mostly friendly to other persons, but I usually don`t let anyone come too close too quickly. But with this guy it`s just fireworks and shootingstars. And it all happened so quickly. I`ve never been one to be instantly attracted. Attraction always grew when I knew the person better, but this time, it`s so intense, uncontrollable and suddenly.

posted November 16, 2006 03:45 PM              

Everything counts, of course, it's silly to concentrate on one aspect, just like it is silly to judge a person by one aspect in his birth chart. It's very hard for me to understand why people are so eager to stare at just one aspect in the synastry chart. There are numerous threads like this in Lindaland.

posted November 16, 2006 03:50 PM              

I can only agree again.
Well, I`ve never been the jealous type, more the insecure type.
But with this guy, soo jealous. I`m even jealous towards his female co-workers. How ridiculous is that? lol
As long as he`s with me, everything is alright, but if he`s gone, the movie in my mind starts, and I then just know that this won`t last, that there will be someone better than me, all that ******** . I hate it.
And yes, I even tried to end this, I tried to run away from my feelings and him (as I`ve always done before, if someone came too close), but it doesn`t work. I`m so fascinated, he`s like a magnet pulling me to him, no running away possible. And actually there`s only one place in the world I want to be, and that`s with him.

Regarding your question.
Your 8th house ruler conjunct his Venus is probably very magnetic. It`s a little bit like Pluto (the natural ruler of 8th house) conjunct Venus. But I wonder, what house does his Venus rule?
If it`s one of the relationship-houses or houses that are important for relationships (in my opinion these are 7th, 8th, 5th, 4th, 1st and 2nd house), then this attraction would be nearly irresistible I think.
Also, his moon in scorpio and yours in 8th certainly would have an effect. First of all, it shows some compatibility concerning your emotions. You both actually need and seek this intensity (Scorpio, 8th house). If one of you had a Gemini-moon, it could get difficult, because Gemini generally don`t like too much intensity (of course there are exceptions to every rule).
But you both have a Moon that is coloured by Scorpio / Pluto, and you`re natally passionate people, so those passionate aspects will have an even stronger impact on you, or maybe not stronger, but you may welcome this passion, as frightening it can be at times.

DD

posted November 16, 2006 04:04 PM              

well, I really hope no newbie would think that.
We really can`t stop at the interpretation of isolated aspects.
But I guess, we have to start somewhere. And I think a strong Venus-Mars aspect of emphasis on the 8th house in a synastric comparision is a good start. And then we have to look further than this. Are there aspects that could offset the first aspect?
Are there more aspects that point into that direction.
For example: if there`s only one Venus-Mars-conjunction, it may be not enough to say, if there will be attraction.
But if there`s a mutual Venus-Mars-aspect, Mars-Pluto, some connection to the ascendant, emphasis on 8th house, be it through planets in the house or the aspects to the ruler, then things could get interesting.
Personally I think the more hints towards attraction there are in the synastry, the more likely it is that two people actually will feel attracted to each other.

posted November 16, 2006 04:37 PM              

No way! It's all a matter of personal preference. Some people like venus/pluto over venus/mars aspects...some even like venus/uranus, mars/pluto, mars/uranus, moon/mars, etc....

My boyfriend and I don't have a venus/mars aspect in our synastry, although we do have a venus/mars conjunction in our composite. His mars is in Scorpio and my Venus is in Scorpio, but it's not tight enough to be in a conjunction. But I'm still very VERY sexually attracted to him even though we don't have a venus/mars aspect.

posted November 16, 2006 04:57 PM              

However, I think (after checking the birth charts!) it all starts from how the planets are placed in the houses in your synastry chart. Think of them being as influential as the planets are in your own natal chart. If you ignore them, you're screwed Just like you can't tell what someone's life could be like just by looking at his aspects and signs, you can't tell the nature and course of the relationship just by looking at the synastry aspects.
Note that people with not so great synastry house placements can still end up together for various reasons (they need to be in a relationship, guilt, loneliness, sexual needs, peer group pressure, no one else is interested in them; this list has no end).

I hate to single out placements/aspects, because there's always someone who thinks that having that in the mix makes and saves a relationship. However, if you want to look for certain placements, the following should be very nice, if you both have some of them (you'd hate it to be onesided, I know I would )
-Sun, Moon, Venus or Jupiter in the 5th or 7th
-Venus or Mars in the 8th
and of course some nice 1st, 3rd (11th even) or 4th house(well, 4th can cause problems in a sense that it makes the other person see you maybe more as a sibling/family member than a lover, but for example jupiter in the 4th is very nice) placements are delightful to have there as well. These are just examples.