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Happy Dragon
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posted November 24, 2006 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
excerpt from an astrology lecture .. circa 1980 ..
the speaker is liz greene ..
parent thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011378.html
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~ About Orbs ..
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~ Audience: When you're talking about generation influences, the influences of the outer planets, do you use larger orbs than those you would use for a natal chart?
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~ Liz: No, I would use the same orbs, of around eight to ten degrees for conjunctions and squares and oppositions. But I think that two planets in the same sign, even if they are not technically conjuncting, tend to give some feeling of a conjunction. That is no different from the same thing in a natal chart. For example, during the two years or so that Saturn takes to move through a sign, there will be times when it isn't quite in conjunction with an outer planet also passing through that sign. The two both (go) retrograde and do a little dance back and forth together. I think there is some of the same feeling during those gaps, but it isn't quite as intense an influence. A person with an exact or close conjunction will naturally feel the impact much more powerfully.
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~ Audience: You would use an orb as wide as ten degrees?
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~ Liz: Yes, particularly with aconjunction. There seems to be a lot of argument about orbs, and I can only tell you what I have learnt from my own experience. I'm inclined to give importance to wide aspects, but I would look quite carefully at which planets were involved. I would certainly use ten degrees for major aspects involving the Sun, Moon and Saturn. I also think it depends on where these planets are placed, so that if the Sun is, say, in the Midheaven, it will be very prominent in the chart, and then I would consider that it's sphere of influence is greater. I also suspect it depends on the person. A very loose conjunction or square will give the same characteristics as a tight one, but they are more diluted, and the individual has more flexibility with it. Also, if he's putting a lot of energy into working at that aspect, or developing it in his life, then it will become more obvious because it is becoming more conscious.
~ An example of this might be a person with a wide Sun-Neptune trine or conjunction who decides to study music. Although the looseness of the aspect means there isn't the same compulsive feeling, the fact that he's trying to develop himself along the lines of the aspect means that it will become more important in his life. I know that a good many astrologers like using narrow orbs of six to eight degrees, but that is simply how I feel about it.
~ The same problem of orbs arises when you're trying to interpret transits and progressions as well. Many people think of transits and progressions as operative only when they are exact. But I feel there is a period of build-up which goes on for quite a long time before the aspect is exact. You can smell it in the wind, so to speak, before it becomes apparent in your life. With a major progression such as that of Sun over a natal planet, I think there is a three or four year buil-up. It doesn't just suddenly arrive one morning out of nowhere. The psyche has been preparing for it for some time. I feel we are sometimes a little to tight and literal in the way we work with orbs.
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Glaucus
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posted November 24, 2006 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly believe that midpoints,declinations,and stationary planets could be reasons why people can identify with large orbed aspects.

Also...wide orbed aspects would be a different harmonic aspect.

for instance...an 8 degree square is a quadriundecile......an 11th harmonic aspect

a sextile with 8 degree orb is a septile.

a quincunx with 5 degree orb is a biquintile or a triseptile.


here is an example of wide orbed square of my Mercury square Mars actually being Mars triundecile Mars being part of 11th harmonic triangle

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 24, 2006 04:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus .. hi

interesting observation ..
i've never really had a good look at the minor aspects ..
about the only thing i know from experience ..
is that a transit to a midpoint can hit pretty hard ..
cheers for pointing that stuff out ..

and, on a totaly irelevant subject .. i'm supposed to hit a party this eve ..
was told it be on the 24th weeks ago .. i've only been going thru the day thinkin' it's the 23rd !
.. i'd best get my skates on .. and get moving ..

.. have a good weekend .. :-)
H§D

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teaologist
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posted December 26, 2006 12:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, good blurb on orbs.

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