posted November 29, 2006 09:07 PM              

Some criminal aspects to look for in a chart are:

1 – Negative aspects to Mars and Pluto (violence)

2 – Negative aspects to Mercury and Neptune (dishonesty, fraud, or theft…the con man).

2 – Negative aspects to Neptune and Mars (drug user or drug dealer)

I was very, very close to someone with Merc in Pisces sq Neptune... but he was a little emotionally unstable to begin with. Sometimes the things he would say didn't really correspond with what was really going on... but I guess you can't be a liar if you really believe in what you're saying, hehe.

posted November 30, 2006 07:51 AM              

But she can manipulate the hell out of you

posted November 30, 2006 10:10 AM              

She’ll tell me how one girl's a thief, and make up some story about how she was robbed - so I avoid that "thief"girl. I then realise this girl stole something from me!!!!!!!!!!!
She does this over and over and over again. I am…shocked!!! Shocked!!!!

And she’ll manipulate anything you say, so you look bad, and she looks good. I’ve stopped having any contact with her……..buuuuut I do have her birth date

posted November 30, 2006 11:10 AM            

and merc. sq. jupiter
Your post made me think of this thread...

also this one... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006558.html

posted November 30, 2006 11:43 AM            

2 – Negative aspects to Neptune and Mars (drug user or drug dealer)"

I want to point out that challenging aspects involving Mercury and Neptune can also be memory problems,misunderstandings,confusion,disorganization,
inattentiveness,absentmindedness,forgetfulness
Could be saying "stupid stuff". Also could be gullible,naive.

I want to point out that challenging aspects involving Neptune and Mars can be clumsiness which could be due to disorganization,absentmindedness,poor sense of time/space as well as coordination problems in general. Could also be doing "stupid stuff" as well as actions can be misunderstood,confusing.

I have challenging Mercury-Neptune stuff myself including Neptune in 3rd in t-square,Mercury parallel Neptune,and Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint.

I have Mars in 6th square Neptune.

I have memory problems and very absentminded,forgetful,disorganized,and clumsy . I can easily be confused as well as confusing to others. I can easily be misunderstood and as well as misunderstand others.

Those problems got me in trouble with my girlfriend. She thought it was more about deception. A lot of Learning Disabled(I am referring to USA defition*) and ADHDers have problems in relationships.

*Learning Disabled - USA definition of learning disabled is people with average to above average intelligence who have problems processing information in a certain area,aka learning difference,or alternative learning/thinking style.
UK definition is different for it refers to the mentally impaired.

Not easy being a rightbrained person in a leftbrained world.

Neptune does have to do with being hard to pin down,confusion,illusiveness,contradictions,paradoxes.

Here is something about memory problems and lying.

My clinical observations lead me to believe that, just as dyslexics have difficulty remembering the sequence of letters or words, they may also have difficulty remembering the order of events. For example, let us look at a normal playground interaction between two children. A dyslexic child takes a toy that belongs to another child, who calls the dyslexic a name. The dyslexic then hits the other child. In relating the experience, the dyslexic child may reverse the sequence of events. He may remember that the other child called him a name, and he then took the toy and hit the other child.

This presents two major difficulties for the dyslexic child. First, it takes him longer to learn from his mistakes. Second, if an adult witnessed the events, and asks the dyslexic child what happened, the child seems to be lying.

Unfortunately, most interactions between children involve not three events, but 15 to 20. With his sequencing and memory problems, the dyslexic may relate a different sequence of events each time he tells the tale. Teachers, parents, and psychologists conclude that he is either psychotic or a pathological liar. http://www.interdys.org/servlet/compose?section_id=5&page_id=58

btw...I don't believe in negative and positive aspects. I do believe in challenging and easy aspects. I believe challenging aspects = much effort to maximize potential. I believe easy aspects = little effort to mazimize potential.

You will find stressful aspects patterns like t-squares in many successful people's charts

also according to page 124-125 of RELATIONSHIPS AND LIFE CYCLES Astrological Patterns Of Personal Experience by Stephen Arroyo:

posted November 30, 2006 12:59 PM            

pages 280 - 295 are things ruled by Neptune. that's a lot of things. a lot of things are shared with other planets.

here is a list of some things that are negative,ambiguous,misunderstood,or hard to understand,things that people often have prejudices about listed are...the things are listed as ruled by Neptune:

absentmindedness
abnormal behavior
alienation
assumptions
bewilderment,bewildering
beguilement,beguiling
confusion,confusion of thought
daydreaming
disarray
(disorder,disorganization)
(eccentric persons)
(eccentricities,artistic)
emotional persons,debilitating emotional depression
(exceptional,the)
glasses,eye
gullibility
impressionability
(independence)
inferiority complexes
intellect,higher or intuitive
(irresponsibility)
lethargy
(latency)
(morons)
mysterious,the
(mulattoes)
obscurity
(novelties)
occult religions
(ostracism)
(outcasts,social)
(outside,outsides)
(pagans,paganism)
(pantheism)
(prematurity)
(procrastination,procrastinators)
seclusion,places of seclusion
sensitivity,those highly sensitive
(secretive persons)
slavery,slaves
social movements
social outcasts,social unrest
solitude,enforced
(subtlety,the subtle)
sublimity
suffering,sufferings
(suicides)
(susceptibility)
sympathy
tenderness
utopia,utopianism
(uncanny,the)
vacillation
volatility
vagueness
(verbosity)
(visualization)
wandering,wanderings,wanderlust
weakness,bodily;weaknesses
weird,that which is
witches,witchcraft
worry,worries
(zealots)

posted November 30, 2006 01:13 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 30, 2006 04:13 PM            

think about it
Mars square Mercury can distort the truth.

Jupiter in the 3rd exaggerates communication

Jupiter in Gemini is at a disadvantage and weak.

(they're not the only aspects and if you have one or more you may not be a liar but that will be because its modified.)

posted November 30, 2006 07:39 PM            

Yes Jupiter itself would make people prone to exaggerate (hence appearing to lie). I have a wide jup opp moon so maybe I emotionally exaggerate. My partner says that about me in that I get very passionate about things and therefore perceive them differently to most

posted November 30, 2006 07:56 PM            

Mars-Neptune aspects can indicate inspirational activity.

It can be a spiritual aspect. I noted that with Stephen Arroyo's stuff.

I am not into that negative aspect,positive aspect stuff.

That's why I am a humanistic,psychological astrologer.

man...I read stuff in the old books about Neptune in 3rd afflicted meaning imbecility or weak intelligence

I have Neptune in 3rd in t-square which is a challenging configuration.

posted November 30, 2006 07:59 PM            

I'm a bit like you, although opps and squares and others have techinically a bad reputation, I think its about balancing these aspects and harnessing the greater energy present in them than the traditionally positive aspects.

posted November 30, 2006 08:06 PM            

I don't believe in the use of the words,positive and negative when it comes to aspects.

challenging aspects = more effort to maximize potential

easy aspects - less effort to maximize potential.

posted November 30, 2006 08:39 PM            

Mars-Neptune: Spiritual Energies

Archetype: The Spiritual Warrior and his Guardian Angel

Shadow: The Drunken Pirate and the Poisoner

comparising

Mars - Purposeful to Neptune - Without a Goal
Mars - Instinctive to Neptune - transfigured
Mars - Action to Neptune - Dream
Mars - Sensual to Neptune - extrasensory
Mars - This world to Neptune - other worlds
Mars - solid to Neptune - intangible
Mars - strong to Neptune - weak
Mars - violence to Neptune - non-violence
Mars - perpetrator to Neptune - victim

General: Guided by higher power(Neptune) in all actions (Mars). A fist (Mars) in the water(Neptune). The shot (Mars) of poison (Neptune). Fighting (Mars) with spiritual (Neptune) weapons (Mars) or non-violently in another way (Neptune). Conquers(Mars) by yielding(Neptune). Dissolving (Neptune) aggressions(Mars). Striving(Mars) for what is boundless(Neptune).

Mercury-Neptune: Search for the Vision

Archetype: The thinker and the mystic

Shadow: the liar and the daydreamer

comparison:

Mercury - Thinking to Neptune - Sensing
Mercury - Knowledge to Neptune - Fantasy
Mercury - Perceiving to Neptune - Dreaming
Mercury - Clever to Neptune - Mediumistic
Mercury - Rational to Neptune - Irrational
Mercury - Sobriety to Neptune - Intoxication
Mercury - Physics to Neptune - Metaphysics

General: Being able to understand(Mercury) and express (Mercury) arising images(Neptune). Imaginative(Neptune),Sensitive(Neptune) thinking (Mercury). Visionary(Neptune)thoughts(Mercury). Understanding(Mercury) spiritual experiences(Neptune). Dream(Neptune) interpretation(Mercury). Search(Mercury)for the vision(Neptune). Hazy(Neptune)thoughts(Mercury).

The introduction of the book says

These keywords should then be a description of one portion of the whole. Many opportunities for development are concealed in every aspect in the chart. However,how, and to what degree, they are manifested,and what level they attain always depends upon the personality's degree of maturity---and precisely this factor is not revealed in the horoscope. This is why we have also consciously dispensed with stating the commonly made differentiation between good and bad, easy and difficult, harmonious and tension-laden, auspicious and misfortune-bringing configurations. Such definitions are foolish. We have seen horoscopes that were full of so-called harmonious aspects,yet the people affected were caught up in deep crises in life. Life simply ran on without meaning. Nothing had challenged them and/or even forced them to make something of their lives. Everything was simply easy and superficial,and after a certain point in time it became unbearable.

On the other hand, it is widely known that the horoscopes of great personalities are charged with tensions. For this reason, we have described all the horoscope factors in their polar tensions as strengths and problem areas---or----for the aspects---as harmony and discord. We have followed the development from the obstruction to the solution solely in the case of Saturn, the Lord of Time(Cronos). It may certainly be true that a difficult astrological configuration, such as a planet positioned in "detriment" or in "fall," or irritated or impaired by difficult aspects(such as square or an opposition) initially attracts attention from its critical side. Yet, there is not only the possibility of transformation, but also the responsibility to transform, in each of these configurations. From the astrological perspective, the horoscope describes the starting situation in which we begin our life on Earth. Now our task is polishing ourselves against our various tensions until we succeed in uniting all the original discord into a great harmonious symphony.

I first had this book in 1999. This is was one of the reasons that I approach Astrology in a more humanistic and psychological way. That's why I don't believe in bad aspects and positive aspects. To me, bad aspects are aspects that are used in a negative way. Good aspects are aspects that are used in positive way.

Some people may be goodlooking,but that doesn't mean they cannot be bad people.

Some people may be badlooking,but that doesn't mean that they cannot be good people.

That's the same logic that I use astrology charts.

This is the book http://www.amazon.com/Key-Words-Astrology-Hajo-Banzhaf/dp/08772887 55/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a/104-9530563-2975944

posted December 01, 2006 12:12 AM            

just as Mercury belongs in the 3rd house (and 6th) where this would cover day to day communications, common sense, adjusting to day to day changes etc, very mundane. whereas

Jupiter belongs in the 9th house where its much deeper, connecting more on religious and or spiritual issues, truth seeking, extended education and points of law.

Do you see where Mercury could be flighty here (in Sag or the 9th) only skimming over the surface of a lot of different subjects and never really digging deep enough to really understand,
Here again Jupiter (in the 3rd house)could blow the simpleist things out of proportion and get totally scattered and non productive. Too grandiose

I do believe I said these traits could be modified.

Libra and Aquarius?
definately in their fall and detriment.
Isn't life signified by the fire that burns within? Just like the Sun is the giver of life.