posted March 12, 2007 01:27 AM            

I realize we are at cross-purposes here and we need to make some positive changes.

As long as I am the Moderator in this forum I am hoping to bring astrological enlightenment and a strong sense of brotherhood/sisterhood.

I think some of us have forgotten why we are here in the first place and that is because we are followers or believers in Linda Goodman's work.
She was high minded, spiritual, and a great teacher.
It is so disrespectful to her memory to act like this. This has got to stop and I do take responsibility in this also.

You are just not ready for me and I'm too tired to deal with your passive/aggressive tactics. There is nothing more frustrating than trying to teach a stone and acoustic thats how it feels with you.

Do you realize that one wrong piece of information learned can screw things up majorly down the line?
Seriously you take a wrong piece of information down as fact, file it in your brain and you make decisions (or delineations) based on that piece of misinformation.
Then if you give advise astrologically to someone ... then what? you can screw up their life and this is a big ethical no-no.
I'm all for different interpretations and even different schools of thought on astrology but this last mistake of yours was because you don't understand the difference between the energy of an opposition and a trine.
This is why I get so mad at you, then you come off with pages of copy and pasted material that you don't always understand, and I'm stuck waiting for an original thought.
You know words but do you know what they mean??

Now you have a little fan club out there and good for you, you also have a website where you are the webmaster with your choice of any moderator you want, you see where I'm going with this?
I think your Gemini cleverness would be outstanding over there and then you could teach others your "truths" and you can even talk about me behind my back without me ever getting mad because there's no chance I'll be visiting, but I wish you luck all the same. Now I'm not telling you to go but I'm asking pretty please.

posted March 12, 2007 02:41 AM            

We are at cross-purposes because you choose to be so. If you had simply stated that you have a different understanding of the aspect, then I would have told you civilly why I have the impression I have. YOU didn't do that. You decided to launch a personal attack on me based on an interpretation that conveniently demonizes me while at the same time trying to bolster your image as a more knowledgable astrologer. When I responded posting lots of interpretations of that aspect, you deleted it! Coming in here acting like you're taking the high road is transparent and ridiculous. I don't mind people supplementing what I have to say about an aspect of astrology, but I will not tolerate a Moderator and a supposedly superior astrologer arguing with me and censoring me, because she can't handle a different perspective.

You bring up Linda Goodman, and I think that's a good point. I think maybe you ought to go back and read her Sun Signs book.

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You are just not ready for me and I'm too tired to deal with your passive/aggressive tactics. There is nothing more frustrating than trying to teach a stone and acoustic thats how it feels with you.

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Passive/aggressive? Like deleting someone else's post? I suppose that's just regularly aggressive. Would you have preferred I brought this up with Randall so that you could save some face? When you go around censoring people against Randall's wishes I think everyone should be made aware.

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Do you realize that one wrong piece of information learned can screw things up majorly down the line?

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I'm a Capricorn with a Virgo Moon. You yourself have spoken against Aries impulsive energy when speaking to Neptune's Mermaid, and now you're going to try to establish yourself as the person between us who is more intuned with consequences of actions? I don't think so.

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Seriously you take a wrong piece of information down as fact, file it in your brain and you make decisions (or delineations) based on that piece of misinformation.

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I've supported my side quite adequately. Twice now as a matter of fact!

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Then if you give advise astrologically to someone ... then what? you can screw up their life and this is a big ethical no-no.

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Well there's an enormous exaggeration if I ever heard one. Please explain in detail how my mentioning that Saturn opposite Mercury could make you consise could possibly hurt Aqua Inferno who had said previous to my comment, "You know, Saturn is currently opposite my Mercury, and it hasn't been bad at all."

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I'm all for different interpretations and even different schools of thought on astrology but this last mistake of yours was because you don't understand the difference between the energy of an opposition and a trine.

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If you're "all for different interpretations and even different schools of thought on astrology," then logically you'd check out more than one site when considering whether I'd accurately portrayed Mercury-Saturn opposition.

With regard to the opposition and trines comment, you have no factual basis for this statement at all.

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This is why I get so mad at you, then you come off with pages of copy and pasted material that you don't always understand, and I'm stuck waiting for an original thought.

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Ironic on two levels:

An original thought like your cut-and-paste interp from astrology weekly? Give me a break!

Or are you talking about an original thought like the one YOU THOUGHT I was saying when I first made that comment about Mercury opposition Saturn? You thought that was original, right? It must have been my own original interpretation, because you thought it was wrong, isn't that correct?

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You know words but do you know what they mean??

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Let's take a page out of your replacement's book for a second, ok? We'll use Wilson's simplified keywords to get something close to what I said:

Talking (Mercury) energy is over-excited by (opposite) discipline and restriction (Saturn).

Yeah, saying it may make you more concise (expressing or covering much in few words) is way off the ball. Whatever delusions you have about my intelligence you need to get over...for your own sake.

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Now you have a little fan club out there and good for you, you also have a website where you are the webmaster with your choice of any moderator you want, you see where I'm going with this?
I think your Gemini cleverness would be outstanding over there and then you could teach others your "truths" and you can even talk about me behind my back without me ever getting mad because there's no chance I'll be visiting, but I wish you luck all the same. Now I'm not telling you to go but I'm asking pretty please.

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Fat chance.

posted March 12, 2007 03:26 AM            

At the same time, I get the feeling she did exactly what you wanted her to do. How else you would get this AG bandwagon effect?

If you really are indignant at what she did you should have contacted Randall directly without involving other knowflakes. Don't you think so?

On the other hand, maybe these LL fights are healthy since they let us vent and not lash out at those we love when we are stressed?

posted March 12, 2007 03:29 AM              

you've got to be kidding me.
what the hell!

oh I get it now, the astrology forum no longer has freedom of speech now that your moderator.
your going to do what ever you want to.
now that the forum has turned into China, I don't think I'm so interested in posting here.
Its fine when the knowflakes are crazy but when the people in power start loosing their freakin minds I'm outa here!
TTFN
I'll be back when we get a decent moderator.
this is me protesting

posted March 12, 2007 03:32 AM            

Perhaps you should re-read your own post. Explain how any of it is not incendiary?

posted March 12, 2007 03:43 AM            

I reconstructed my post as best I could if you wish to read it. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012904-2.html I certainly didn't think it would be deleted. It questioned why a Moderator would be instigating an argument, and it offered quite a few interpretations of the aspect in question.

posted March 12, 2007 04:30 AM              

<<Do you realize that one wrong piece of information learned can screw things up majorly down the line?
Seriously you take a wrong piece of information down as fact, file it in your brain and you make decisions (or delineations) based on that piece of misinformation.
Then if you give advise astrologically to someone ... then what? you can screw up their life and this is a big ethical no-no.>>

What is the wrong information. The interpretation put forward by you? Or the other interpretations available?

<<I'm all for different interpretations and even different schools of thought on astrology but this last mistake of yours was because you don't understand the difference between the energy of an opposition and a trine.>>

Really? You don't seem to have acknowledged the alternative interpretations presented. Do YOU understand the difference between a Trine and an Opposition? Or, again are we not looking at alternative interpretations regarding the expression of these energies?

<<This is why I get so mad at you, then you come off with pages of copy and pasted material that you don't always understand, and I'm stuck waiting for an original thought.>>

So are we. Your 'interpretation' was pure cut and paste if I recall?

BTW, I am not part of anyone's fan/support/group, but I am concerned that people aren't allowed to be expressive and that a Moderator would engage in such a specious arguement. To try and assert that one interpretation is 'superior' to others is really an exercise in futility...

Very Concerned,

posted March 12, 2007 04:56 AM            

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So are we. Your 'interpretation' was pure cut and paste if I recall?

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I prefer my own interpretations but acoustic challenges them so I was just saving time and energy by using an interpretation from a website he uses..

posted March 12, 2007 05:22 AM              

Randall has not responded to
my last three emails...

so, you guys try...

posted March 12, 2007 05:39 AM              

It demonstrates contempt for us all, more effectively.

Amused,

posted March 12, 2007 06:05 AM              

webmaster@linda-goodman.com <webmaster@linda-goodman.com>

S_T

posted March 12, 2007 06:10 AM              

Hugs

posted March 12, 2007 06:15 AM              

Hmm… I’m not sure what all of this is about but I have Mercury opposite Saturn as well and what AG wrote fits what I have read on this aspect. Since I am not a trained astrologer, I decided to google “mercury opposite saturn”. Here are the first two links that came up:
Mercury opposite Saturn

Mercury/Saturn aspects indicate intellectual discipline, a serious outlook, great powers of concentration, and a knack for logical reasoning. You study subjects in depth, are not content with superficial understanding, and may prefer to work alone. Mathematical ability and a knack for working with figures are often present. Your work habits are careful, tenacious, methodical, and industrious. You are probably quite organized, hard working, and proficient at dealing with rules, regulations, fine points, and details. Writers with this aspect are usually masters of grammar and style. There is frequently much ambition, self-control, and a willingness to labor hard and long to achieve your goals. Others view you as honest, prudent, and cautious. This aspect is common in the charts of teachers, military leaders, and politicians. http://www.stellarcharts.com/career.htm

This second link was a study of Malcolm X’s natal chart: the astrologer gives their take on Mercury opposite Saturn below:

His ability to study for long periods of time is due to Mercury opposite Saturn (ruler of his Ascendant and Jupiter) in Scorpio in the 10th house.
This Mercury-Saturn contact helped to stabilize and discipline the potentially inconsistent Mercury, Moon and Uranus placements. Saturn opposite Mercury is conservative in nature, and can have a refining, taming effect, usually by presenting difficult obstacles or hardships that can lead to a maturing of one’s mental skills and viewpoint. It is excellent for the "heavier" or practical forms of science. http://starcats.com/anima/malcolmx.html

I feel these descriptions are true of myself and see no reason why they should be considered off-base, as they were written by professional astrologers. Learning astrology (or any subject) requires people being allowed to share their opinions. We can all learn from each other. If we can’t at least agree on that and allow people to freely share (then) the people who are here to genuinely learn are going to be driven away. The only people left will be the ones who are drawn to all the drama and have neither any desire to learn nor anything to contribute.

posted March 12, 2007 06:35 AM              

Some of you might disagree but in my humble opinion, as long as a post is clear of scandalous/pornographic behavior, NO POST DESERVE TO BE DELETED just because a Moderator "thinks" it is wrong or misleading.

Moderator's job SHOULD NOT give him/her the right to delete "interpretation" posts. Afterall, they are called "interpretation" for a reason.

The most acceptable solution is for the MODERATOR to APOLOGIZE for such an unacceptable behavior. It shows a total disrespect and disregard to everyone in this forum (not only to the one person whose post was deleted).

Miss Muffet

posted March 12, 2007 07:04 AM              

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In any case, if wrong information has to be deleted, then 99% of the posts here have to be deleted because knowledge changes with time and understanding

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Exactly.