posted July 27, 2007 07:09 PM            

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Well, i conlcuded that its not in the chart : he only has 3 planets in the 3rd:then the rest are on the other quadrant.
Not an Aries or Leo influenced.Not jup/pluto or mars/pluto.
Has 3 planets in Sag ( generosity).
Not any hard aspects between Moon/Venus/Mars;
Got a skuare Jup/Moon;semiskuare Venus/Jup.(Jup in 4th and Venus in 3rd,mars in 5th, moon in 7th)

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posted July 27, 2007 07:29 PM            

On the one hand – for selfishness – we could look at the people who post most about themselves and ask questions purely for their own benefit - such as "here is my d.o.b., here is his or hers.. please interpret!" lol .. without ever making an input to other posters' problems... In fact, some don’t even say 'thank you' and leave the site altogether after their query has been answered..
On the other hand, we could contrast them with the people who help others and post astrology threads for everyone.
There are those who would fall in both categories, as they both help and ask for help..

I might do it myself, and have a look at a few charts.. if I have the time..

posted July 27, 2007 09:12 PM            

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btw... what's the difference between selfish and self-serving? Or the difference between selfish and inconsiderate? Selfish and egocentric? They all seem like the same thing to me.

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They are the same thing, its just some people seem to have a hard time understanding that.

posted July 28, 2007 03:10 AM            

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I think some people who post a lot of threads for themselves (myself included) do so because they're anxious and need answers.

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I think this is the point people are making though.. through the "me first" attitude.. If you only make posts asking for help, for *you* .. then you are putting yourself and your anxieties first.
If you do not also help other people, then obviously their anxieties wouldn't mean that much to you.. whereas your own do.

I'm not saying you, personally, fall in this category, because you probably have helped others as well. I can't remember.. but just explaining, what I'm gathering 'me first' means..

I see "me first" as - my anxieties first.. my problems first.. you should all help *me*.. your problems come second.

DulceLuna, would that be accurate for what you see as 'me first' attitude?

Thx Acoustic, I'd mainly look at those who actually post, get an answer - then leave all together..

posted July 28, 2007 04:14 AM            

You seem to be under the impression that only a cluster of people in the world, have serious anxieties..

While everyone else is just, "gee, a bit worried about this or that".. hmm

Because obviously the rest of us are Paris Hilton, and don't have real problems at all..

posted July 28, 2007 07:31 AM              

About your question, i just took all the person´s advices and putted them all together,trying to see the selfishness in the chart - seeing if that patterns fit.

Funnily enough i went lookin at my own chart and found in mine some of that "clues"
- jup/venus/Moon in hard;2 planets in first luto/saturn and 3 in the 3rd: jup/nep/uranus.
Have my venus/Mars in Leo and my DC in Aries.

I dont know what to think really: i dont conseider myself a selfish person thought, but definatelly im very stubborn ( but know when to apologize and to who)

posted July 28, 2007 09:54 AM            

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Because obviously the rest of us are Paris Hilton, and don't have real problems at all.... CoralFrequency

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posted July 28, 2007 01:18 PM            

When people first come to the site, they're learning. I loved this site from the get go because everyone seemed so SELFLESS in sharing what they know.

Now, I'm happy to pass along what I've learned from the "masters" on here, or to contribute in areas where I might be knowledgable. BUT, when I first started here, I don't feel that I knew enough to give answers to others.

I think we ALL have areas/ways that we might be considered selfish.

I love the positive and non-judgemental atmosphere of this site. Sometimes...even for those who come here only one time and post a question about themselves...I might learn a wealth of information or consider something I otherwise wouldn't have.

Gemini,

I think you asked the difference between egocentrism and selfishness. There is a difference. I had to do a report in college a bazillion years ago on it based on children's stages of development. Egocentrism is when a child truly believes that he is the center of the universe. He's acting in a way that can appear selfish, but it's different. Selfishness is when you have grown past that stage of development, you are now aware that you are one of many, and that other people have feelings, wants, and needs that are apart from your own...and you choose to act in a selfish manner anyway. Hope that makes sense.

8th

posted July 28, 2007 01:36 PM            

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DulceLuna, would that be accurate for what you see as 'me first' attitude?

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Partially. I mean alot more than that. When I'm talking about the Arien "me first" attitude" I'm basically speaking of the self-serving without even caring to give back. And yes, people asking for things on this site without caring to give back is a perfect example. And I know why it frustrates people, because they feel like this site is being used as a personal reading service or blog. I want to stress that I know everyone asks for something on here but can you deny that there are some people who tend to ask for alot more than they give back? People who just ask without even contributing (I can't think of any people on this particular thread who are like that though).

And I also want to stress that I too have been speaking of the energy of aries and what I've saying is not strictly of the sun sign aries (I'm not that stupid). Its just that if you're gonna mention taurus and cancer, you best be adding signs like aries and leo who can be just as bad in their own way; selfishness is not limited to possesions. It can be when one person always wants to drain you with their troubles but never cares to hear about yours, that again is what I'm talking about when I talk of the "Me first" or self-serving attitude. And anyways, cancer is really usually possesive about possesions that have sentimental value and rarely possesions that have material value.

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Egocentrism is when a child truly believes that he is the center of the universe. He's acting in a way that can appear selfish, but it's different.

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posted July 28, 2007 02:58 PM            

That is selfishness 100%. The "textbook" definition of egocentrism refers to a child who doesn't know any better. I was just clarifying for semantic purposes because someone asked.

I didn't say that a person who is all about themselves is selfless. I said that many of the people here seemed that way. There's a big difference.

posted July 28, 2007 04:41 PM              

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They represent the infant so almost anything aries does is excuseable to a certain point.

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posted July 28, 2007 07:35 PM            

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That's one hell of a cop out

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Amen to that, Aqua. So suddenly just because Aries is the first sign of the zodiac the behavior of people with a strong amount of this sign can easily be excused. Never mind the fact that they may be grown as hell and know right from wrong. Ironically, that's exactly the sort of attitude I'm talking about.

posted July 28, 2007 09:22 PM              

For instnce they are still trying to learn about astrology and would love to help people out but don't know enough about it to ever say something or help yet?

Also if your insecure, you could be afraid of being critisized, especially if your are just learning. And i'm sure a lot of people who are learning put in input. But not everyones wired the same, so I just don't think doing so would be a fair idea. People who are talented at reading astrological aspects may be more compelled to give advice too.

Remember, if someone doesn't realize they are being selfish, finding a way to talk to them in a mature and non comfrontational manner can to worlds of good for them in growth.

This could very well do alot of good for them in the long run in terms of spiritual growth.

posted July 28, 2007 10:37 PM            

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They represent the infant so almost anything aries does is excuseable to a certain point.

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lol Aqua! it is a cop out. It's like saying any negative traits are excusable.. For instance, it's excusable for a Taurus to be stubborn and not give an inch or it's excusable for a Scorpio to be revengeful or it's excusable for Virgo to be judgmental or critical, or it's excusable for Pisces to be hypocritical, or it's excusable for Capricorn to be bossy and cold.

All of our negative traits, whether related to our Sun sign, other birth-chart placements, or completely unrelated to astrology.. are things we should try to recognize in ourselves and change, not things we should get complacent about by saying "oh well.. I'll always be nasty because I'm insert *sign* so it's ok for me".

Mermaid, there are many threads, to post on, which are not astrology related, if people really wanted to make an input. I understand what you are saying about being insecure.. but I find it slightly two-faced, when certain posters are not insecure when it comes to posting 3 different threads about themselves and their relationship problems and asking for interpretations... while, on the other hand, they *are* insecure in posting help to another? why? Any well-meaning help, whether astrological in nature or not.. would be appreciated, I'm sure.