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Diandra23
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posted July 26, 2007 05:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we see the Selfishness of a person in a chart?
How is it revealled?

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posted July 26, 2007 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isolaede     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is by NO means a all inclusive rule, but when looking at a chart, if you see a large portion of a persons planetary placements in the lower left quadrant of their chart (between the Ascendant and the IC), it could indicate someone that focuses on their own inner needs. It doesn’t necessarily mean selfishness, but it could be perceived that way by someone standing outside the situation. In truth, I think people with a large portion of planets in that quadrant are at a stage in their development where they HAVE to focus on themselves to grow spiritually.

I hope this helps!

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posted July 26, 2007 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are aries supposed to be known for being selfish?

Or at least, sorta egocentric?

I remember an analogy to an aries being like a child... and sort of unknowingly or unintentionally being selfish?

I can sorta see that with some aries I know. Definitely not malicious, just an immature ME view of things....

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posted July 26, 2007 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can we see the Selfishness of a person in a chart?
How is it revealled?
Thankx

i guess you can, sort of, if your looking for it. it depends too, it would have to be a mix of things, usually jupiter in negative aspect to pluto indicates some selfishness, but theres aspects as well as sign combinations that make people selfish, as well as self-centered. Aries is definitely more headstrong and willful, selfish would be more of a leo influence.

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posted July 26, 2007 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries is often considered selfish because the focus is exactly that: Self. The self comes first, self satisfaction, self-interest, self-motivation...they're a sign ruled by Mars, the planet of survival.


The latter fire signs, Leo and Sagittarius are actually known for their generosity. Leo being between Aries (selfishness) and Sagittarius (generosity), can waiver either way, it really depends on the planet the energy is filtering through and the aspects to that planet.


Hard aspects to inner planets like Moon, Venus and Mars by themselves (Moon, Venus, and/or Mars), Jupiter (indulgence and excesses). Pluto would just make there be more passion and extremity. I don't think it's generally a "selfish" aspect, however you never know.

My boyfriend has Mars conj. Pluto in Scorp in the 2nd house, he's so obsessive (Pluto) and possessive (Scorpio) over his property it's insane. He would fight to the death (figuratively) to defend what's rightfully owned by him. Because of this, he can go to extremes of ownership that make him seem like a downright selfish ******* .


So house placements play a significant role too. Because I'm sure if that conjunction was in the 6th house, he'd be directing that passion towards helping others and getting work done, and staying fit (or becoming dangerously UNfit), not labeling everything that's his in the fridge.

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posted July 26, 2007 07:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The aries people I've known were generous with possessions and money, but had a tendency to be very self-centered and selfish. They thought the world revolved around them. For some reason, it didn't bother me too much. They seem able to pull it off, because it doesn't seem intentional. That said, it does start to wear on you after awhile.

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posted July 26, 2007 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As signs - Taurus and Cancer - because they care a lot about everything they have, from clothes to food to all possessions in general.. so they find it hard to share anything. It depends on where you have these signs and how much of them.

Aries is highly careless with money, possessions and feelings.. throwing them around at everyone, at lightning speed.

There are so many variations though and so many different people.
It depends on where you have the sign and how much of it.

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posted July 26, 2007 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, about Aries.. I think what wears on people is self-righteousness.. not selfishness.

They're not saying: "I don't care about you. I care more about myself"

They're saying: "I don't care about your opinions. Mine are always right and better."

Do you know what I mean? It's a bit different. Because they do care about people, just not what other people *think* lols

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posted July 26, 2007 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not talking about sun sign Aries.

I'm referring to the energy Aries exudes which is that associated with survival = competition, "ME FIRST!", motivation, determination, headstrong, strong will, self-centeredness.

It all correlates to Mars, like I said, being the planet of survival. Aries being the first sign of the zodiac. Like a baby. Babies aren't selfish per se, but it's the nature of a baby or child to put themself first. Because it's a means of survival. Take care of my immediate needs, now!


Planetary aspects weigh far more heavily when it comes to determining selfishness than signs. Actually, I'd say signs have little inference when it comes to this.


Which is why I said the Moon (the planet of our immediate needs), Venus (our wants), Mars (how we go about what we want, our will).


Someone with the Moon square Mars may be bound to be the type of person who puts their needs for comfort and satisfaction before everyone elses because of the urgency (Mars) associated with the aspect. I have the opposition, I understand this far too well.

Someone with Moon square Venus may be indulgent, and constantly searching for satisfaction. This alone may not make them a selfish person, but throw in an strong aspect to Mars/Jupiter (conjunction/opposition/square) and who knows what will come about.

We have to take more into account than just signs. I was just clearing up why Aries is *considered* to be selfish, at it's worst.

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Also, self-righteousness tends to be associated with Jupiter and it's aspects, also the sign Sagittarius. I think Arian energy is not a sense of self-righteousness so much as a unwillingness to be wrong. Because being wrong would mean that they've lost in competition to the person or thing who was right. It doesn't even matter if there was a competition. Losing is losing when it comes to Mars/Aries.
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Dulce Luna
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posted July 26, 2007 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Isolaede: anyone with a heavy emphasis on houses 1-4 in the natal chart may be more focused on themselves than other people. I have two aries twin brothers who fit that description perfectly...for some reason I don;t have their birthtimes.

And btw, self righteousness is a saggitarian/jupiterian thing, not an aries one. Aries is the natural ruler of the first house which is the house of self, therefore one negative trait of aries could be selfishness. I think leo energy can be selfish too in that "I'm-the-star-of-the-show-and-the-whole-world-revolves-around-me" way.

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posted July 26, 2007 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1st house natives....

A dear friend of mine, Aqua sun in the 12th has Venus, Mars and Jup in Pisces in the 1st in close conj with Jup on the asc...

While his Piscean side sublimates his ego-needs a bit, he is all about him, forever and always!!!

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posted July 26, 2007 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We have to take more into account than just signs. I was just clearing up why Aries is *considered* to be selfish, at it's worst.

This is why I said 'signs' - as in the energy of a certain 'sign'.. not people of that sun sign.. But I'm not sure how to refer to them otherwise.. then to say “them” – even though I don’t mean actual people.. I mean the energy of the signs.

Aries as energy is considered to be highly self-righteous, in astrology. This is because the baby always thinks they know best and that their principles/morals are best. They always try everything for themselves – regardless of well-meaning advice. I can notice this energy in both myself and others I've encountered, with Aries placements.. But, as the infant, they are also very unaware when it comes to materialistic things – and a bit naïve. *Very* easy to take for a ride..

I don't think Aries energy is 'savvy' with money or possession or really anything they have.. so this particular energy in a chart is unlikely to make one stingy – which is what I see as selfish..

But it depends on what you mean by selfishness.

The 2nd house is the house of "self-worth" and possessions which is why I mentioned Taurus.

"self-worth" - positive.. "valuing your own self and your objects" - positive..
"being stingy and possessive of those things - which comes across as selfishness" - negative.

I know two selfish people but they have very different charts. I don’t want to mention the charts, because it might end up offensive to someone else.. and I don’t believe anyone’s behaviour has bearing on someone else’s.. even if they had the exact same chart – like twins..

Also – neither of them have Taurus/Cancer or Aries in their chart lol I’m only talking about this – purely theoretically.. because frankly, there’s no answer –a s it goes with all other general astro questions.. We’d have to look at the whole chart – like Alanabelle said - and take free will into account.. and upbringing etc..

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posted July 26, 2007 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well my bf is an Aries rising with Aries moon, with most planets in the lower left quandrant... second house to be exact. I'm sorry to say that most people perceive him as being selfish, including me sometimes. It's the Aries thing of putting his own needs before others, and with so many second house placements including Saturn in Taurus it makes him kind of paranoid/possessive of material things - with Saturn there, it seems to be somewhat fear and insecurity-based. Usually I can understand this, but there are times when he puts his own needs ahead of mine that it grates on me.

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posted July 26, 2007 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems to me that we all act based on our perceptions. Our natal placements are like prescription glasses that we wear.

With Aries placements...whoever mentioned the word "egocentric" as opposed to selfish, hit the nail on the head. The best description I heard in a college course to describe this is when a child sees the moon wherever he goes, and since at that stage of development he is the center of his universe, he believes that the moon is following him. It's more of a perception issue than selfishness.

With Leo....most of them are the sweetest people I know....but a funny thing....one of my friends who is a sun sign Leo just expects others to pay, or take charge for her. It's perception again. She believes/perceives that others are here to serve her. She isn't selfish at all, though!

Water signs would most likely be a defensiveness based on insecurity. If I perceive that you have hurt me, I will shut you out emotionally...which can be viewed as selfishness.

I think with Taurus, they have to have some material security and may come off to some as selfish if they try to protect or preserve that in some way.

I can't remember if other placements were mentioned, but this is just based on people that I know!

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posted July 27, 2007 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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With Aries placements...whoever mentioned the word "egocentric" as opposed to selfish, hit the nail on the head.

Yes, exactly. It's more a feeling of I'm best and I know best. Like 'the world is at my feet' feeling. Leo would get this as well I think. It's because the sun is well placed in fire so you feel very good about yourself, disregarding other placements.

I get it when I'm very happy.. It depends on my mood though.. but I have days when I feel like I'm queen of the world, and would love to shout it off roof tops, or off a ship, Leo Dicaprio style

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posted July 27, 2007 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alanabelle, I'm really impressed with your understanding of Mars/Aries

Aries is not so much selfish as it is inconsiderate.
(for all of the reasons listed above)

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posted July 27, 2007 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the chart of the most selfish person I have EVER met.



Anyone care to discuss it?! If you lot gimme your views, I'll let you know how right or wrong you are!!!

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posted July 27, 2007 09:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must be a real selfish twit.

Everything I have is in my 1st and 2nd house... except for my 10th house Jupiter (in Leo) and 11th house Saturn (in Virgo).

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posted July 27, 2007 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries is not so much selfish as it is inconsiderate.
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So true!

Not meanspirited or malicious selfishness, just a lack of consideration or un-thoughtfulness....

And I agree about Aries being very generous with money/possessions/feelings...

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posted July 27, 2007 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was curious about this Aries thing so I just did the chart for my Aries roommate. She has an ascendant of Leo and it says, ironically, "Egocentricity is one of the prices of being born with the Ascendant sign of Leo" .... maybe Leo placements have a little to do with selfishness as well?

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posted July 27, 2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not necessarily... my best friend has a sun and moon in Leo and she's incredibly generous. Leos can sometimes be bossy and crave the spotlight, but I haven't run into too many Leos that are selfish.

One of my former friends has Mars in the eighth house and she was incredibly selfish and ruthless. She was the type that would backstab anyone to get what she wanted. I'm not saying all people with Mars in the eighth house would behave this way, but she chose to surrender to this placement.

Here is what astrodienst said about Mars in the eighth house:

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Mars in the Eighth House 8th hs

You have such strong desires that it is very difficult for anyone to stop you from doing something you have decided upon. And if you want something, you will do everything in your power to get it. You may not have enough regard for the fact that others have a right to what is theirs. Also it is difficult for you to share anything.

You do everything with great intensity, which should be to your advantage most of the time. Learn to be moderate in all your activities now so that you won't have to change later when it will be harder.



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Thank you for all your answers guys

This question´s objective was for me to try to better understand a person´s specific way of behaviour.
I think that the chart could tell somethin that its slipping for sure from my head - right now i only wished that it was the chart that had "the fault" oh the wrong behaviour torwards me.

Ist cause i care that i did this question, and not to judge.

Well, i conlcuded that its not in the chart : he only has 3 planets in the 3rd:then the rest are on the other quadrant.
Not an Aries or Leo influenced.Not jup/pluto or mars/pluto.
Has 3 planets in Sag ( generosity).
Not any hard aspects between Moon/Venus/Mars;
Got a skuare Jup/Moon;semiskuare Venus/Jup.(Jup in 4th and Venus in 3rd,mars in 5th, moon in 7th)

I guess we are act selfihs in some moments - when we feel threatened?
I onlu thought that i could understand more and feel somehow better if I knew it came from the chart...maybe im a little crazy

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Dunno if I'd call aries selfish. They act like "lone wolfs", and must take care of themselves cause no one else will - well that's what I get from their attitude.

Leos are equally selfish & selfless - so they cancel themselves out.

It depends what kind of selfish.

Selfish with time? money? emotions? I believe each sign is selfish one way, but selfless in another. Which brings us back to square one - sorry

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posted July 27, 2007 06:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ about that chart

WOW that seems pretty selfish! I have a Aries sun, Aries moon friend with an Aqua rise, SO SELFISH! She can't even say sorry!

Her idea is sorry is " I'm not going to say sorry for hurting your feelings because I'm not talking back what I said but I'm apologizing for upsetting you IF I did in anyway"

GEEZ!


I'm an Aries too, but double Aries really **** me off. It's because their personality is aligned with their emotions which makes them stubborn. Leos, to me, are extremely egotistical and can be selfish and stubborn. I find myself not being able to deal with Leos because we end up clashing, not by egos but by me trying to burst their ego. BUT Leos can be very sweet and kindhearted at the same time. Me and Leos have a love hate relationship :/
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I'm just an Aries who's madly in love with a Virgo.

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 27, 2007 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think people forget that there selfishness is not just limited to one's possesions. So while Leo may be generous with their money they can be selfish when it comes to your time and theirs as well. ie. everything should revolve around leo because leo is the star of the show.

Same thing goes for aries, may not be selfish with their possesions but may be self-serving, as in its "ME FIRST!".

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