posted October 13, 2007 11:21 PM              

Can’t recollect many instances; however there are 2 or 3 occasions where it was very insensitive of me to say such a thing.
Most dreadful was asking my girlfriend whether she enjoyed something, which was a sexual abuse to her in childhood. When I sent her my questions, I did not know her age when the incident occurred and I thought it was something which she initiated or something like that. However she was a kid and it was more of an abuse.
Ours was a long distance relationship and there were quiet a few miscommunications. I didn’t mean to hurt her however it was worst thing to query on (and I realized it after she was hurt). I had no idea that my questions would have caused lots of hurt to her (its an irony that though Pisces are known for being sensitive, it was the most insensitive thing to discuss…sometimes we say something and realize the graveness afterwards).
The incident didn’t break our relationship, however I think it was very insensitive.
Even now I (maybe everyone else) may not realize the feelings and sensitiveness of someone who goes through abuse. For understanding that one has to go through such things himself.

Then when we got separated later on for unfortunate reasons. When you love someone so much and other person wants to leave, it’s going to be painful, shocking and unbelievable (as I wanted that relation). The breakup talk and her reasoning made me angry and agitated. It was a combination of feelings of love, hate, anger, pain and what not (I can’t recollect if I uttered the sentence ‘I hate you’ …maybe I did).
Words like ‘you b****’ came to my mind; however I didn’t utter it out verbally to her. Even though I didn’t say something that hurting to her verbally, I feel I shouldn’t have got such words for her, whom I love, in my thoughts.

Then other instances were less grave as compared to above one, never the less it caused hurt to other person. Wanting to know the truth I asked questions which caused hurt. Now when I think, on all occasions it was over a phone (one over email). Think speaking face to face wouldn’t bring out such incidents.

This makes me wonder, I guess phone/email might even be the best ways to communicate with Pisces as the shyness factor would be less as compared to face-face conversation. At the same time one requires patience for getting a conversation going with a Pisces as we won’t open up a bit till we are become very familiar with other person. And opening up ‘fully’ is like something far away thing as that requires time and good close friendship/relation.

posted October 18, 2007 04:46 PM              

I just posted the following in another threat ("Which sign would you never date or marry?") - I hope you don't feel offended now ;-) - but my experience with Pisces guys is not a very good one. Really annoying - and so similar - I'm talking about 3 different Pisces guys here.

Maybe you - as a Pisces - might be able to recognize and/or explain some of that behaviour that I am talking about here? Maybe I got something wrong. But: what??? ;-) Could you give me a clue?

ABOUT PISCES GUYS:

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I'd never date a PISCES again. I'd almost "warn" other women to date them, haha. But I don't want to be mean. It is just MY experience. (Cancer-Sun, Scorpio-AC, SAgg.-Moon).
I have made significant experiences with Pisces-men, there had been three of them in my life. They all seemed to have fallen hard for me - and each time this affection/attraction was more or less unrequited. In other words: I never was able to feel as attracted to them as they were to me. So it never turned out to be longer relationship - more "affair"-like things (lasted 6 weeks to 5 months) - and they stopped even before something deeper/better could evolve - because all turned out complicated and annyoing very quickly.

PISCES-men, in my experience, tend to behave in a martyr-like way - and that really is annoying. They always seem to feel "misunderstood" - and they seem to like it that way! They are masters of giving you a bad feeling - they never complain overtly, but make you feel responsible for their constant sadness/moodiness/suffering. It's what I call "passive aggressiveness". It is similar to "emotional blackmail" very often. They give you glances ... that really make you feel guilty - without spittin' it out, whithout letting you know WHY the heck they are "suffering" again. Grrrrr!

Whatever any male macho might say about a "typical woman" is true for the PISCES males I met: They behaved in clingy, wimpy, needy and manipulative ways.

Funny thing: My NN is in Pisces! And it's opposite to my Venus cj. SN (in Virgo)!

So .. maybe I have to "learn" something here....?

Well - the man I am currently involved with is a fire sign - but has his DC and VERTEX in Pisces - in close conjunction to my NN. Maybe I get a clue from this...?

posted October 19, 2007 04:14 PM              

Linda gave a great example of the boulder that over time is reduced to nothing by the ever flowing water. edit: actually I think she said it would flow around it thinking back, but you get my drift (no pun intended )

I think Water signs can be taxing on the old emotions to be involved with, but they can also nurture you. Think of it like treading water as oppsoed to standing on Earth.

Behind the waterfall it looks different to us. When you have hyper-sensitive feelings and they build powerfully and crash quickly the soul will find ways to protect itself against this.

From a water perspective other people can look superficial and dangerous to a more sensitive recipient.

If you go in with your eyes open and have a perspective any relationship can be worthwhile, but could also be full of red flags to your own nature or expectation.

This all seems general, but I would guess most Piscean men see it this way.

Because of our understated but dramatic ways I can see how people would think we have a "martyr syndrome". Quite frankly that can be a very accurate observation at times, but I always look to the intent as well as the action.

posted October 19, 2007 05:34 PM              

thanks a lot for your reply! I am quite a new member here ... and I see there's a new thread now, praising your qualities. ;-)

That makes me say once more: I really didn't want to offend anyone - and certainly not all members of one particular starsign in general!

As I mentioned before, I had written down the above in another context - a thread that asked which sunsign one would "never date or marry". So ... this certainly set the tone of what I've written and how.

The thing is: I am very much "water" myself (Cancer-Sun, Scorp-AC, 8th-house dominance) - maybe that's why I react so very sensitive to Pisces-energy.

I would like to add one more thought now: Actually, Pisces are not only "weak" - I often felt kind of "threatened" by them: The ones that I met were capable to put a damper on almost anything other people (including me) did, said, suggested, enjoyed ... They had been able to influence the atmosphere so much, that - in my impression - they managed to spoil/poison everything around them. Sometimes just by a glance ... or by making a certain bitter remark and then look at you like: "Oh, I didn't say anything, did I?"

Pisces-energy CAN be very powerful. If you meet a cranky Pisces who is not happy with him/herself or with his/her surroundings, I'd say that he/she is able to spill their negativity all over, to really "poison" everything and to really really "bring down" anyone around them by very subtle means. (That might be the reason why many of them seem to end up as loners for long periods in their life. I honestly see them as extremely ego-centered - I'm not sure whether they are always aware of the people around them! Just the opposite seems to be true. I get the feeling that they sink into their very own depths very often - but that they don't necessarily manage to "feel" for OTHER people. To be honest: I experienced Pisces as not very giving, but quite selfish.)

BUT .. if this power of subtly influencing the atmosphere was being used in a positive way ... I can imagine that it could be nice to be close to a Piscean. They might be able to do wonders then! (Obviously I just met the pathetically "suffering" ones, the very very selfish ones.)

So - all Pisces out there, please don't be sore with me now and please don't take "revenge" - I KNOW you can do that!;-) But it would be easier if you just TALKED about what you feel & think, if you just SHARE it once in a while - like SWERVE did here.;-) Thanks again!

posted October 19, 2007 05:45 PM              

Maybe it's to do with our Scorpio Ascendants because sometimes I get frsutrated with my fellow water signs as well?

I do think that Cancers and Pisces have VERY different ways of expressing their energies, and I think that is what I am really referring to.

It seems that Cancers are the first experience of this energy and that means its expressed very personally and sometimes quite frankly (except when they are retreating or sideways stepping to keep themselves safe).

Pisces I think are so tired in their expression that it's kind of like a big sigh. The feeling that you are coming to the end of the raod in one sense and about to start something else entirely can give you quite a resigned disposition.

posted October 19, 2007 09:53 PM              

i feel extra compelled to write here since you helped me so much last night

my dad is a pisces with cancer moon, and my most recent ex was a pisces, taurus moon. i myself have pisces sn and neptune conjunct ascendant.

it's funny because i agree with the person above who referred to the piscean negativity sort of insidiously effecting everything around him (my dad is a drunk, and my ex had severe mental problems; borderline personality disorder). i am quite farmiliar with that energy, when it is not channeled properly.

you yourself, however, seem to be very considerate and intentional with how you present your energy, so i do not think it really applies to you.

both my dad and my ex are big initiators, but maybe in my case, because of my strong neptunian influence, i was more sensitive and picked up on this and reflected back to them? my dad is a big macho guy (kinda weird considering pisces/cancer), but he is such a scared little boy inside and he is always crying (when he is not raging or shooting you dirty looks across the room..)

i would say with healthy pisceans, their strength is in their subtlety, and if you can channel it properly and really feel your own worth and strength, your energy could at the very least compliment someone else's with extraordinary precision and empathy, and, if initiation or more 'action' was desired, you could use your intuition to learn to formulate a plan to work with the energies more actively.