posted October 24, 2007 04:44 PM              

"we didn't have many "sexual" aspects."
Not even through houserulers 1, 5, 7 and 8?

"I agree that it's what's in you that you feel, even though if you're sensitive, you will feel what the other person feels too, but you'll feel it only as their reaction to you.§
Yes, that was exactly what I thought.

"n the case of an unrequited love, his Venus is heavily aspected while hers doesn't form any significant aspects. He's the one who wants a love relationship."
That is similiar to the relationship of my friend and her exboyfriend. They have been together for 7 years, but it seems that he has never really been in love or very much attracted to her.
His Sun, Venus, Mars and ASC has no major aspects to her planets!
But there were a lot of beautiful aspects to his Moon, and that is what their relationship was about, more some kind of a family-feeling, of nurturing and emotional support than anything else.
She wasn`t too much physically attracted herself, but much more than him. And when the relationship fell apart she was the one that suffered really hard.
Her Venus-Mars-Pluto-conjunction was sextile his Moon-Neptune-conjunction and conjunct his pluto.

Interestingly she doesn`t share too many Venus-aspects with her husband either.
Her Venus is square his Sun and ASC, sextile his Neptune and conjunct his Pluto, while his Venus is only opposite her Jupiter.
But his ASC is also closely conjunct her DSC and they have some interesting connections via the ASC-DSC-axis:

Her DSC conjunct his ASC - Sun-conjunction.
His ASC square her Venus-Mars-Pluto-conjunction (which leads me to believe that square are maybe not all that bad)
Her ASC - ruler is exactly sextile his DSC-ruler; it is also exactly sextile his Mars and exactly conjunct his Jupiter.
Her DSC-ruler is trine his Neptune and sextile his Pluto.
HIs ASC-ruler is sextile her Jupiter.
His DSC-ruler is opposite her DSC-ruler.

I think that those connections strengthen the relationship. In the case of the ex-boyfriend,
her ASC was trine his Mercury and Jupiter.
her ASC-ruler was trine his MOon and square his Saturn.
Her DSC-ruler was trine his Moon, square his Mercury and trine his NN.

His ASC had no aspects, as mentioned above.
His ASC-ruler (Venus) had also no aspects.
His DSC-ruler (Mars) had no aspects, either.

His Moon had 6 aspects to her planets; and his IC-ruler had 2 aspects (sextile Sun, square Moon).
I think those lunar aspects were the reason he got together with her in the first place. There was just a great sense of familiarity, and then the relationship felt too comfortable to him to end it.

"but I'm thinking that Venus is important for longevity. Eros burns fast; it has a goal to merge & transform. Maybe when that goal is completed, it loses interest? While Venus just want to love & adore."
Yes, I think so. Eros is too passionate, to overwhelming, too urgent to last.
In the case of those two musical singers, I have seen on sunday, there are interestingly a lot of Eros-and Venus-aspects in the synastry with me.

Singer 1:
His Eros squares my Venus
His Eros trines my Mars
His Eros trines my Neptune
His Eros opposite my Pluto
His Eros trines my NN
His Eros trines my ASC
His ERos conjuncts my IC
My Eros sextiles his Moon
My Eros sextiles his Juno
My Eros trines his Mars

His Venus trine my Venus
His Venus opposite my Uranus
My Venus square his Mercury
My Venus trine his Pluto
My Venus trine his Karma

Singer 2:

His Eros exactly conjunct my Venus
His Eros square my Pluto
His Eros square my MC
My Eros trine his Saturn
My Eros sextile his Uranus
My Eros trine his Neptune
My Eros sextile his Pluto
my Eros trine his Chiron

His Venus widely conjunct my Venus
His Venus exactly sextile my Jupiter
His Venus square my Pluto
My Venus very widely conjunct his Sun (almost 6°)
My Venus square his Mars

The second one is a permanent challenge to me. No wonder!
His Venus-Eros-conjunction is conjunct my Venus-Isis-Osiris-conjunction.
His Mars is exactly conjunct my Pluto on my MC. And those two "hot spots" are squaring each other, which gives us such nice things like:

Venus-Eros
Venus-Venus
Mars-Pluto
Venus-Pluto
Eros-Pluto
Mars-Venus

Whenever I have seen him, I feel like I had been going through hellfire. Still I`m always going back to see him some more. Maybe I am masochistic?

However in those cases I`d say, the Venus-constellations are a sign of my adoration for both of them, a certain sweet admiration, that is very longlasting (Venus-Venus-conjunction and Venus-Venus-trine is a beautiful aspect).
But the Eros-aspects in the second case also indicate a certain "crash-and-burn"-scenario, at least inside of me.
But on the good side, seeing him is like recharging my batteries, I`m always bursting with energy afterwards. And I am usually not that energetic. lol

So, I guess you are right. Eros is too intense, too hot, to last.

DD

posted October 25, 2007 02:48 AM            

About Venus v. Moon aspects...the most important thing is not to view synastry as the most important thing. I strongly feel that you can't know a person from his chart & you can't know how two people will affect each other and impact each other's lives from synastry. The aspects can indicate potential reactions, but humans are so much more complex than Venus trine Mars, or whatever. So please don't feel discouraged if you don't think you have the most ideal aspects with someone. There are so many ways to study synastry (with or without asteroids, with persona charts, with or without minor aspects, etc.) that you don't want to think you see the full picture before you do.

But with that out of the way, I'll get to the Venus or Moon question. (Bet you won't ask me another question since my answers come with such a long disclaimer. )

All things being equal, if the choice is a synastry situation where either the man's Moon or Venus is heavily aspected but the other planet is not aspected at all, I would prefer he has Venus aspects. I'm probably in the minority on this though. Many people would probably think of Moon contacts as producing an even deeper love and connection than Venus contacts. But for love of the romantic/sexual kind, I think Venus is very important, especially for a man.

Of course, all things aren't equal. You have to take into account house rulers & house overlays. If that man's Moon rules his 5th, 7th, or 8th house, then his Moon contacts will stir in him feelings of love, romance, & sex.

Her planets in his 7th house would also help make up for a lack of Venus contacts. The 5th & 8th houses would be good too. Anything that would activate the sexual parts of his chart.

Something I've noticed in some cases is that the house containing the houseruler of someone's 5th, 7th, or 8th house becomes a romantic/sexual house for that person, even when that house is not typically associated with that part of life. So having your planets in those houses could also have an impact.

posted October 25, 2007 02:59 AM            

Our Venuses oppose. I've never thought of Venus-Venus aspects as sexual (more friendly), but maybe an opposition's tension makes its expression more sexual. Or maybe it can easily go both ways, since now we're friends. (There was a gap of a few years after the breakup before we became friends.)

We do have some overlays though that probably contributed to the attraction. Three of my planets (Moon, Mars & Jupiter) plus my NN fall into his 8th house.

So, there's enough in synastry to indicate sexual attraction.

That is interesting that your friend doesn't seem to go for guys whose Venus she touches. But from personal experience, I can tell you that an ASC-DSC conjunction is very powerful. I would choose that over a Venus-Mars conjunction, easily.

That's remarkable though how her ex completely lacked Venus, asc, asc ruler, & dsc ruler aspects. I've never seen that in a couple's synastry , certainly not in a long term couple's synastry! Just goes to show how binding Moon contacts can be. They're comfortable and warm. Did she have planets in his 5th, 7th, or 8th houses?

Your synastry with those two...hot damn! Looking at the set, I thought the second one looked stronger, so I'm not surprised about this...
"Whenever I have seen him, I feel like I had been going through hellfire."
With the first one, it's mostly his eros being activated, while with the second one, it's mostly yours. Plus, your eros forms aspects with all of his outer planets, & Chiron. If that's not enough, your poor Venus gets hit with an agressive Mars square & conjuncts his Sun. With synastry that intense, it would be surprising if you weren't strongly affected by him.

posted October 25, 2007 11:10 AM              

"I would prefer he has Venus aspects."
I would agree. I think the Moon is very important, but not necessarily romantic. A moon-connection is more caring, warm, nurturing, supportive, family-like, like a warm haven you can always return to.
There is closeness and intimacy and depth of emotion, also trust (if the aspects are good that is), a sense of belonging, of home, but in my opinion it`s no sign of romantic attraction. It can be purely platonic, yet indesribably deep-felt. (Of course a Moon-Mars-opposition can be very passionate and sign of sexual attraction, but I think Mars may be the reason for this then ).

Venus is more this "in love" feeling, the magic, the glamour, that dazzles you completely. If you see someone t hrough Venusian eyes, then it`s pure beauty.
But Venus is not so much sexual or physical like Mars is, to me the word I connect with Venus the most is "sensuality" and "beauty". She is physical in a sensual sense, and Venusian attraction is very warm, sensual (I so love this word!) and calm. NOt the "I`m gonna rip those clothes apart and throw you onto the bed"-kind (that would be more Mars or Pluto I guess).

"Moon rules his 5th, 7th, or 8th house, then his Moon contacts will stir in him feelings of love, romance, & sex. "
Hmm, my Moon is ruler of my 8th house, and my Venus rules my 5th house. SEems every Moon- or Venus-aspect has the double effect on me.

"Something I've noticed in some cases is that the house containing the houseruler of someone's 5th, 7th, or 8th house becomes a romantic/sexual house for that person, even when that house is not typically associated with that part of life."
Well, the ruler of my 8th house is in my 2nd house, so you think the 2nd house would be more of a romantic house for me than for other people who don`t share this position?

posted October 25, 2007 11:45 AM              

" with those, we don't have too many."
I`d prefer to have one significant opposed to having a dozen sextiles and quinkunxes.

" The only noteworthy ones, I think, are...
---His 7th house ruler exactly conj my NN
---My 5th house ruler conj his Asc
---My 7h house ruler opp his 5th house ruler
---My 7th house ruler trine his 1st house ruler"
I think those are very strong combinations.
Sun-ASC, Venus-Sun, Venus-Mars connections over the houses - what more could you ask for?

"Our Venuses oppose. I've never thought of Venus-Venus aspects as sexual (more friendly), but maybe an opposition's tension makes its expression more sexual. "
I think so. Venus-Venus on its own is very comfortable, sweet, adoring, beautiful, but not very active. And the opposition may bring the necessary spice to this.

"e do have some overlays though that probably contributed to the attraction. Three of my planets (Moon, Mars & Jupiter) plus my NN fall into his 8th house."
Who was more passionate, you or him?
Mars in 8th house sounds quite strong, passionate, maybe even a bit intrusive and obsessive to me.
INterestingly my Mars, Amor, NN, Neptune and ASC fall into this singer`s 8th house.
His Sun, Venus and Eros fall into my 1st house, his Moon and ASC into my 4th house and his NN into my 5th house.

"They're comfortable and warm. Did she have planets in his 5th, 7th, or 8th houses?"
No, her Venus-Mars-Mercury-Pluto-conjunction fell into his 12th house.
They had both Venus-Mars conjunct in Libra natally, but hers was also conjunct Pluto, while his was conjunct Uranus.
I made a mistake though, his 5th house ruler isn`t Uranus, but Neptune.
And his Neptune was sextile her Mercury, Venus, Mars and Pluto and trine her Saturn and Moon.
So, his 5th house ruler was trine her ASC and DSC-ruler. Maybe that explains the moderate attraction there certainly must have been.

"our synastry with those two...hot damn! "
You tell me!

17 and (in the second case) 15 years of admiration and still going on and on and on...
IT`s actually longer than any other relationship or friendship I`ve had.

"With synastry that intense, it would be surprising if you weren't strongly affected by him."

Regarding the Sun-Venus-conjunction: I guess this is very wide, and maybe doubtful if it has any effect at all. But I found an interesting pattern concerning Sun-Venus.

His Sun conjunct my Venus (6)

His Sun parlalel my Venus (0)
his Venus parallel my Sun (0)

his Sun/ Venus-mp conjunct my Venus (0)
my Sun / Venus-mp conjunct his Sun (1)

his 5th / 7thruler-mp conjunct my Venus (0)
my 5th / 7th ruler - mp conjunct his Sun (0)
- Venus rules my 5th house ruler, and Sun rules his 5th house

his Sun/ Venus-mp parallel my Sun (0)
my Sun/Vensu-mp parallel his Sun (0)

his 5th house ruler:
conjunct my Venus (6)
conjunct my 7th ruler (5)
conjuncts my 5th ruler (6)

his 7th house ruler:
conjunct my Venus (5)
conjunct my 5th ruler (5)

my 5th ruler:
conjuncts his Sun (6)
conjuncts his 5th house ruler (6)

my 7th house ruler:
conjuncts his Sun (5)
conjuncts his 5th ruler (5)

Yes, I know the orbs are very generous, but I thought the pattern was interesting.

I must admit I didn`t limit myself to a 2° orb this time with the Eros-Venus-Mars-Pluto-aspects. I start thinking that an orb of 3°-4°, maybe 5° for conjunctions might be valid,t oo.

But those 2° aspects were:

my Venus conjunct his Eros
my Pluto square his Venus
my Pluto conjunct his Mars
my Eros sextile his Pluto

I thought it was interesting that both our personal planets and asteroids are being "hit".
The Venus-conjunct-Eros puzzles me a lot. I have no idea how to interprete that.
The Mars-Pluto-conjunction doesn`t puzzle me all that much; this one plainly scares me. lol

Tallying up our 2° aspects (we don`t have all that many):

6 Aspects: Amor (including an Amor-Amor-conjunction)

5 aspects: Mercury, Mars, Uranus and Karma
Mercury rules my DSC, and Mars rules his ASC

4 aspects: Jupiter, NN, IC

3 aspects: Venus, Pluto, Eros

my mostly hit aspect (within 2°):

IC (4 aspects)

Uranus and Amor (3 aspects)

his:

Karma (4 aspects)

Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, NN, Amor (3 aspects)

Interestingly, this includes both our MOon-rulers, my Uranus and his Mars (mars also rules his ASC).

So I compared my Uranus-chart with his natal:

my P-Sun opposite his Moon
my P-Moon opposite his Sun

my P-Venus trine his NN

my P-mars opposite his Sun

my P-Saturn conjunct his Karma
my P-Saturn trine his Amor

my P-NN trine his Saturn
my P-NN conjunct his Neptune

my P-Chiron conjunct his Moon

my P-Karma opposite his Saturn
my P-Karma conjunct his Uranus
my P-Karma conjunct his Pluto
my P-Karma opposite his Chiron

my P-Valentine conjunct his Sun
my P-Valentine trine his Moon

my P-Juno trine hsi Sun
my P-Juno trine his Moon

HIs Mars-chart to my natal: (it`s not so impressive):

his P-Sun conjunct my Pluto

his P-Moon conjunct my Pluto

his P-Mars opposite my Karma

his P-Jupiter tirne my Sun

his P-Saturn trine my NN
his P-Saturn opposite my Pluto
his P-Saturn trine my ASC

his P-NN trine my Sun

his P-Valentine conjunct my Eros
his P-Valentine trine my Juno

his P-Eros opposite my Venus

his P-ASC conjunct my Mars
his P-ASC conjunct my NN
his P-ASC conjunct my ASC

I thought, the Moon-chart were also interesting:

my P-Moon trine his Moon

my P-Mars conjunct his Venus (exact)

my P-Saturn opposite hsi Venus

my P-Karma sextile his Valentine
my P-Karma sextile his Juno

my P-Valentine exactly trine his Valentine
my P-Valentine exactly trine his Juno

my P-Mar exactly trine his NN

my P-Juno exactly opposite his Moon
my P-Juno conjunct his Valentine

my P-Eros trine his Saturn
my P-Eros trine his Neptune

my P-DSC conjunct his Venus
my P-DSC conjunct his Eros

his P-Sun trine my Moon

his P-Moon exactly opposite my Moon
his P-Moon trine my Karma

his P-Venus exactly opposite my Mars
his P-Venus trine my Pluto
his P-Venus conjunct my SN
his P-Venus conjunct my DSC
his P-Venus opposite my Amor

his P-SAturn trine my Mars
his P-Saturn trine my ASC
his P-SAturn trine my NN
his P-Saturn trine my Amor
his P-SAturn conjunct my IC

his P-NN exactly trine my Venus

his P-Karma exactly tirne my Valentine

his P-Juno trine my Mars
his P-Juno trine my ASC
his P-Juno trine my Amor

his P-Eros conjunct my Juno

his P-DC exactly conjunct my Venus

Interestingly, the ASC of my Uranus-chart is 9° Sagittarius; the ASC of his Mars-chart is 8° Sagittarius.

Additonally, the asc of my Moon-chart is 6° CAncer, and the asc of his MOon-chart is also 6° Cancer. Thought that was interesting.

posted October 25, 2007 01:53 PM            

'All things being equal, if the choice is a synastry situation where either the man's Moon or Venus is heavily aspected but the other planet is not aspected at all, I would prefer he has Venus aspects. I'm probably in the minority on this though. Many people would probably think of Moon contacts as producing an even deeper love and connection than Venus contacts. But for love of the romantic/sexual kind, I think Venus is very important, especially for a man.'

Completely agree! As you say I'm sure moon connections are maybe even deeper than venus connections, but for a romantic relationship I would choose strong contacts to the man's venus anytime. I might compare the two this way: If your moon is strongly triggered in synastry, YOU will feel truely comfortable, loved and accepted 'warts and all'. BUT if your venus forms strong connections with the other persons personal planets or angles, you will adore THEM 'warts and all'. When a friend of mine first met his current girlfriend he kept going on and on and on about how incredably beautiful she is (I remember a lot 'she's out of my league'-talk...) However, all of his friends couldnt relate at all...she was very pretty, yes, but not the semi-goddess he made her out to be....Not surprisingly it turned out that his venus formed a huge number of aspects with her planets/angles.

I agree with Darkdreamer though that venus aspects arent necessarily sexual, that's the domain of mars, but they are sensual and give you this 'god, you're beautiful'-feeling. And (particularly if it's the man's venus) I'm sure it's an important component to ensure long-term attraction, if he simply adores you.

'Something I've noticed in some cases is that the house containing the houseruler of someone's 5th, 7th, or 8th house becomes a romantic/sexual house for that person, even when that house is not typically associated with that part of life. So having your planets in those houses could also have an impact.'

Yes, absolutely!(I'm starting to feel like a yes-sayer with your posts....always nodding in agreement :-)..

posted October 25, 2007 03:10 PM              

"YOU will feel truely comfortable, loved and accepted 'warts and all'. BUT if your venus forms strong connections with the other persons personal planets or angles, you will adore THEM 'warts and all'."
Thank you for pointing out the difference. I was never able to really pinpoint it down.

"I'm sure it's an important component to ensure long-term attraction, if he simply adores you."
Hmm, maybe I should give Jude Law a chance then?

His Venus is:
widely sextile my Moon (4)
widely conjunct my Mars (8)
square my Jupiter, my ASC-ruler (2)
conjunct my Neptune (3)
widely sextile my Pluto (4)
conjunct my NN (3)
widely conjunct my ASC (6)
opposite my Karma (3)
widely square my Juno (4)

And my Venus is:
conjunct his Sun (1)
square his Pluto (1)
square his MC (2)
opposite his Valentine (0)

"but with conjunctions between personal planets, I would definitely go up to 6 °. I have a sun-venus conjunction with someone at 6 ° and I certainly feel it very strongly!"
Thank you. I`m always unsure, which orbs are still valid. So conjunctions up to 6°.

DD

posted October 25, 2007 04:25 PM              

I guess that explains it.

Draconics notwithstanding.

posted October 26, 2007 07:08 AM              

yes, Johnny and June constantly puzzle me, with so little interaction between major players.

so, I guess it must be the asteroids.

Which would you think are the most significant ones, those which almost always make themselves known in synastry?

posted October 26, 2007 04:02 PM              

yes i also asked myself about that...

But how can it be? If in sinastry a couple doesnt have the Rules 1 or 2 of IQs then, how could we look to the asteroids and say that those are SM?

Dont asteroids have a much more subtle effect than major planets? And if one of the persons has more awareness about this,would it mean that it will Feel MOre than the other?

These are all existencial questions that i do to myself a lot of times,specially these last weeks

posted October 27, 2007 05:08 AM              

I agree with you. There should be some major planet`s actions.
Because I think every couple fits the mold - just the problem is, that we don`t know the WHOLE mold yet.

However, regarding Johnny and June - they don`t have all that much obvious interaction.
But I still think their`s is a strong synastry.

WE are talking all the time about synastry, but actually we would have to start with the natals. People react through their personalities to each other, so there should be some similiar or complimentary aspects / connections in a natal comparision.

In their case there are:

His Sun in Pisces in 12 opposite Neptune-
Her Sun closely sextiles Neptune

His Sun closely trines Moon -
her Sun is in Cancer

His Moon in Scorpio in 8-
her Moon is opposite Pluto

his Venus in Aries -
her Venus widely squares Mars

his Venus squares Pluto-
her Venus is in Taurus (complimentary to Scorpio / Pluto and closely sextile Pluto)

His Mars in Pisces-
her Mars widely conjunct Neptune

his ruler of 1st house in 5th house-
her Mars in Leo

his ruler of 7th house in 12-
her sun sextile Neptune

his ruler of 8th in 5-
her Mars in Leo

According to my very own theory there should be connections to ruler of asc or DSC. Unfortunately we don`t have her birthtime, but we have his.

ruler of ASC:
sextile her MErcury
square her Venus
widely trine her Uranus (4)
solstice conjunct her Venus

ruler of DSC:
widely trine her Sun (4)

other important houserulers:

his ruler of 8:
opposite her Moon
conjunct her Pluto
sextile her NN

- Actually her Pluto is not only conjunct his ruler of 8, but also conjunct his 5th house cusp - so I guess she was a very transformative influence for him

the other ruler of house 8:
closely trine her Sun
square her Jupiter
opposite her Neptune

the ruler of his 5th house (Moon):
solstice opposite her Mars

Just take notice of this pattern:

He has Venus-Pluto-square natally,
she has Venus in taurus sextile Pluto natally.

And in their synastry there is a very close Venus-Pluto-square.

Unfortunately I don`t know when they met, but I`m almost certain there were interesting progressions. I even think maybe there was a Venus-Pluto-thing going on in their progressions or transit,t oo, to "awake" their Venus-Pluto-pattern.

EDIT:
Oh, I just realized, I share this pattern with P and A, too.

I have a Venus-Pluto-square natally.
I also have Mars sextile Pluto.
P has Venus in Taurus trine Pluto.

in the synastry my Venus is closely trine P`s Pluto.
Also, my Mars is square his Pluto, and his Mars is exactly solstice opposite my Pluto.

And last week, when we kind of met, Transit Pluto was almost exactly opposite my Pluto and sextile his Venus and Pluto (waking up the Kite-figure between our charts, or without asteroids, at least the grand trine).

With A:

I still have natally a Venus-Pluto-square.
But he doesn`t have a Venus-Pluto-aspect natally. Even though his Venus is solstice square his Pluto, and his Mars is solstice conjunct his pluto.

Synastrically we have Venus-Pluto-square and Mars-Pluto-conjunction.

And last week, when I saw him, Transit Mars was opposite my Venus and his Venus (exactly on the midpoint of our synastric Venus-Venus-conjunction, or in other words, exactly opposing our composite Venus, as Pluto was conjuncting our composite Sun) and exactly squaring the synastric Mars-Pluto-conjunction.

No wonder...

posted October 27, 2007 05:31 AM              

For example: Antonio and Melanie:

her: Mars-Pluto-conjunction
him: Venus-Pluto-conjunction

synastry:
his Venus conjunct her pLuto
his Pluto conjunct her Mars

or Linda and Paul:

Her: Moon conjunct Venus
Him: Moon square Venus

synastry:
Her Moon opposite his Venus

or Johnny and Vanessa:

him: Moon in Capricorn
her: Sun in Capricorn

synastry:
his Sun conjunct her Saturn

and of course, if oyu delve deeper into this, you will probably find a lot more connections like that.

my Interpretation or take on this:

Even though other aspects may be important as well, those patterns, connections on so many levels (natal and synastry) will show a focal energy in the relationship, giving hints towards the relationship-dynamics.

A couple with a Venus-Mars-pattern like this will be different from one with a Moon-Jupiter-dynamic for example.
Also, I think the complimentary connections may be more compelling like the same-planets connections (but it depends on the planets involved).

What I mean is:
One person has Sun conjunct Venus, the other has Sun opposite Mars.
And there is synastrically either a Sun-Venus or Sun-Mars-aspect, then it would be a source of great attraction, drawing two people together.
If both had Sun-Mars and there was a Sun-Mars-aspect it still is a strong connection, but not so much one of Yin-Yang-balance.

posted October 29, 2007 11:59 AM            

Jane, I've read a lot about this and how venus in a man's chart is supposed to show his inner anima in a physical/sexual sense (Moon = inner anima emotionally). And it's one of the topics I'm extremely interested in.I guess I dont have enough real-life synastry examples to confirm it. Or rather my real life experience at this point in time has made me wonder whether this is true...

In the limited number of examples i have, where the man was strongly sexually attracted to the woman, his mars figured strongly. The few other synastry charts where his venus received many aspeccts from her planets and he was very drawn to the woman, 'unfortunately' his mars was also strongly aspected. So in these cases I guess it's difficult to say whether the sexual attraction came from his venus or mars aspects.

The only 'pure' example I have where his venus is much more strongly aspected than his mars.... is with THE aqua man who I have mentioned here frequently....his venus forms an incredable number of strong aspects with my planets and angles (particularly conjunctions and oppositions), but not his mars (only opposite my mars, square jupiter, square neptune, squ .uranus, trine pluto). And as this guy remains elusive with me and doesnt do anything, I just came to the conclusion that sexual attraction must be lacking. So I guess to cut a long winding argument short - based on astro literature, I would have always agreed with you, but I think I dont have enough real life examples ...but I'd LOVE to think that if you tick a man's venus, you automatically tick the magic box for sexaul attraction.

posted October 30, 2007 08:17 AM            

oh no! conveniently forgot about those orbs....even more of his mars aspects crumbling...eh, crashing down!...

Ok here are the meagre left-overs: The mars-mars opposition is very tight with a 0°Degree orb, so that's our main aspect. Do you have any experience with mars-mars opp. in synastry? The textbook description always sounds like doom and gloom, i.e. open warfare or something similarly attractive. I've hardly ever seen any sexy descriptions. Only Martin Schulman comes to mind, I think he wrote in his book 'Karmic Relationships' that this aspect often denotes a very strong sexual attraction, but that it's often too intense for the people to realize. But if I'm just applying logic, I would think that it has to create quite a bit sexual attraction, after all your desire nature stimulates/energizes the other person' desires and vice versa.

posted October 30, 2007 03:08 PM              

"We had a lot of classes together, and I liked to tease him until he couldn't take it anymore. Would pass him dirty drawings, deliberately do things I knew turned him on."
Wow, that was really mean!
Seems you`ve had a very, mmh, steamy relationship.

"I think this may show how planet overlays work: the house person is affected by the planet person, and the planet person enjoys playing that role for the house person."
So, you`d say the one with the 8th house for example would be helplessly drawn to the planet`s person?
Well, P`s Venus falls into my 5th house opposite my Uranus, and whenever I see him, I can feel like I`m "vibrating with joy", and that is nothing sexual. Just the feeling as if I`m completely awake all at once. Needless to say I completely adore him. And I`m probably looking rather silly, because I can`t help but smiling broadly, when I see him, no matter how sad, depressed or frustrated I was before. His laugh is just infectious.

"I agree about wider orbs for conjunctions. In synastry, I usually use a 5 degree orb for conj/opp, 4 degree for squares/trines, and 2 degree for sextiles."
Those orbs sound reasonable to me.

posted October 30, 2007 03:49 PM              

" gotta ask u this how did those pluto aspects play out in ur relationship ?"
No relationship, unless you mean that I -somehow- relate to them.
They are the two singers I`m constantly talking about (I guess everyone is fed up hearing about them by now. lol).

But I think, they don`t really fall into the "celebrity-crush"-category, because it`s more some kind of a local thing, and what fascincates me is that our lives "almost" touched at so many points, again and again, and with every "almost touch" the circle seems to become closer. It`s strange.

And in both cases I can remember very well the moment I saw them for the first time. In both cases it was an earth-shattering, life-changing-moment, which includes even having prophetic dreams and visions about them. Well, visions is not the right word; there just have been so many moments, when I just "Knew" something I could never have known. No idea where that knowledge came from, but in almost every case it proved to be true. Almost scary.

"he was so crazy about him she thought she was definitely going to die if she could't "have" him."
Wow! Talk about strong passions.

But I can relate to it, when I really, really realized that I could never "have" P., I felt like I was dying. Actually I think I really did, a part of me died during those weeks, and it was not a pleasant feeling.
However, you should think that might have cured me from liking him, but it didn`t. I just can`t help it. (And I tried to help it to tell myself, that I like neither of them, but seems I haven`t even been able to convince myself. lol)

"and they have
his ven- her plu
his plu- her mars
her mars - his venus"
Mmh, let`s see.

With P I have:
his Venus - my Venus (trine)
his pluto - my Venus (trine)
his Pluto - my Mars (square)

With A I have:
his Venus - my Venus (conjunction)
his Venus - my Pluto (square)
his Mars - my Venus (square)
his Mars - my Pluto (conjunction)

Also, when I recall it right, then Melanie`s Mars and Pluto rule her 7th house, while Antonio`s Venus rules his 8th house.

Transferring this to my two synastries:
with P:
His Venus rules his 7th house and his Pluto rules his 8th house, and my Venus rules my 5th house and my Mars rules my 4th house.

with A:
my Venus rules my 5th house and my Pluto rules my 12th house, while his Venus rules his 7th house and his Mars rules his 1st house and his 8th.

There seems to be something about those 7th and 8th houses.

":firewoks:"
Jup, that`s the title of the play I will see in two weeks, with A on stage.