posted October 13, 2007 01:03 PM              

I had the idea this morning, to compare some synastry-chart and to see how many aspects within 2° the planets make, and if asteroids make a comparable amount of aspects like planets. I actually expected a clear picture of Sun and Moon making the most aspects, or at least I expected to get a CLEAR picture.

However, I used the planets, NN, Vertex, ASC, MC, Chiron, Valentine, Amor, Karma, Juno and Eros.
Of course I compared only 7 synstry-charts, so the results are probably not that telling.

But I was surprised to find out that the amount of aspects made were quite close to each other. There was only a difference of about 2,6.
The planet with the least aspects had 4,1 aspect (which was Amor) with the planet with the most aspects (Mercury) had 6,7 aspects.

Most made around 6 aspects (Chiron, Sun, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, ASC).

There were some things that got my attention:

1. Mercury
Why on earth did Mercury have so many aspects?
Well, looking a bit more closely I realized, that Mercury was either ASC- or DSC-ruler in 4 of the 7 cases.
In those other cases there were lesser aspects to Mercury than for example to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC (even though the difference was not THAT huge).

HOwever, I then singled out the ASC- and DSC-ruler and looked if those made aspects to the other planets.
And this holds true especially for the ASC-ruler. He makes 6,1 aspects (average), which is similiar to the aspects, Chiron (5,9), Sun (6,1), Venus and Mars (each 6), ASC/ DSC (6,4), Juno (6) and Eros (6,6) make.

The DSC-ruler makes considerably less aspects - only 4,7.

But I noticed something else, which relates to the ASC- and DSC-ruler.

2. There was always, always a conjunction or trine (with opposition coming in third place) to either ASC-ruler or DSC-ruler in both charts.

I also noticed that there were many aspects with Eros. Only in one chart I didn`t find an aspect of Eros to ASC-ruler or DSC-ruler. Interestingly the aspect to the rulers are often squares.
Also there are two aspects-groups predominant:

his ASC-ruler conjunct or square her Eros
her DSC- ruler conjunct or square his Eros.

Another pattern I noticed was, that the ASC / DSC-ruler had always either an aspect to Vertex, Karma or the Nodes.

3. The Eros-aspects
This one surprised me quite a bit.
Eros made the most aspects of all other planets and asteroids (6,6) - and furthermore, it was only the two elder couples, who had only 4 aspects to Eros.
In the case of the younger couples, Eros made 7 - 9 aspects.
Paul and Linda Mc Cartney were caught in between with 6 aspects; I guess they weren`t either really old, or really young.

4. The other asteroid that surprised me was Juno (6 aspects). Thought that was rather high for an asteroid.
Interestingly she made the same or a higher amount than Moon-aspects.

Conclusion (for now):
Of the asteroids Chiron, Juno and Eros seem the ones that make themselves very known.
Valentine and Karma are a bit below average, (5,4 and 5,1), but since I only investigated 7 charts until now, the last word hasn`t been spoken on this matter yet.

Can anyone confirm these observations or dissolve them?

posted October 13, 2007 01:44 PM              

yes, I noticed that about Eros, too, in my own synastries.

Like with those two musical-actors I was so insanely drawn too.
With the 1st one I share an exact Mars-Eros-dw (trine), on top of his Eros being square my Venus and trine my NN, ASC and conjunct my IC, while my Eros is sextile his Moon and Juno (btw I have often found Eros-Juno-interplay in my synastries, how about you?).

With the 2nd one there is an almost exact Pluto-Eros-dw (that is the one who is so OUCH! to me); and his Eros is exactly conjunct my Venus, exactly mirrors my Psyche, is solstice conjunct my Sun and so on, while my Eros / Vertex is filling the empty space of a grand trine with his Neptune and his Saturn / Chiron-conjunction. No Eros-Juno this time.

But I guess, Eros is important in my chart, because it falls exactly onto my Vertex and is exactly opposite my Sun-Moon-mp (Saturn is only 4° apart from Eros, too). And on top of that Eros is exactly solstice opposite my NN, Neptune and ASC and solstice conjunct my dr Moon.
So, I always thought, maybe it`s only me reacting to Eros. But it seems, I`m not the only one.

Eros-dw sounds very juicy to me.

If you have time, do you think a strong Eros-contact can make up for a certain lack of Venus-aspects?

Cat,

those were just the average numbers of aspects a planet makes.
For example:

In Chart A I found 8 Eros-aspects
in Chart B I found 7 Eros-aspects
in Chart C I found 6 Eros - aspects

so, I add them up and divide the result through the number of charts:

8+7+9 = 24
24: 3 (because I looked at 3 charts) = 8

So, the average number of aspects Eros made in my research was 8.
But I always took into account, if there were huge differences, like for example in chart 1 there were 2 Eros aspects and in chart 2 there were 15, then I wouldn`t consider Eros to be a consistent part of attraction.

For example:
In the case of the Moon I had much fluctuation:
from as little as 0 aspects to 7 aspects, but there were 3 charts, which made exactly 5 aspects, so I guess that is a rather common number.

In the case of Venus, I found that in 5 charts (of 7) she made either 6 or 7 aspects.

Eros seemed to be rather consistent, too, (with the exception of the elder couples).
But for the younger couples there were 7 - 9 Eros aspects in all cases.

But it`s always difficult to interprete these results, because there are so many interconnections.
For example: in the chart where I only found 5 Venus-aspects, there were also 7 Sun and Moon aspects and 8 Mars, Juno and Eros-aspects.
Do those balance themselves out?

Also, in the case of those 5 Venus-aspects, I also realized, that 2 of them were a Venus-Mars-dw (square and opposition).
Of course all this figures in, and makes it impossible for me to have REALLY consitent results.

But nevertheless I found those things I mentioned remarkable.

posted October 13, 2007 03:23 PM              

I ve used the asteroids you mencioned in 2orb right?

In our sinastry the planet that made most of the aspects was Venus and the asteroid was Karma, followed By Juno and then by Eros.
MY Venus made 11 conetions to him and his made 10 to my planets-its the ruler of his Sun and IC and the ruler of my AC and my 9th House.

Regarding the AC-DSC Rullers:

-His DC Ruler ( Saturn) makes 8aspects to my planets,mostly to my personals
-My DC Ruler ( Mars) makes 10 aspects to his planets
-His Sun ruler makes aspects to my Moon/Merc/Mars/Nep/Pluto/VX/Valentine/AC/MC
-My AC ruler makes aspects to his Merc/Jup/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto/Kiron/Ceres/Juno/Eros/AC
-Hsi AC ruler (Moon) makes 7 aspects to my chart - Nep/NN/PF/Ceres/Karma/Eros/Moon

In our case ,Mercury also had many conections within 2º( 6 from my side and 6 from him)
Mercury is the ruler of his 3rd and 12th houses. Its the ruler of my Sun.

His AC Ruler in fact makes an aspect to my DC ruler but its an oposition and in 7orb :P

My DC Ruler makes a quindecile to his DC Ruler (0º)

My dc Ruler makes a wide setile to his DC RUler(5º)

However, his Draco AC ruler makes a trine to my Draco AC ruler and my Draco DC RUler makes a wide conjunction to his DC Ruler.

Regarding Eros:
His Eros skuares my AC Ruler (2º)and sextile My AC
My Eros bQ his AC ruler(0º) and his Psyche(0º)

MY DC Ruller trines his VX and Skuares his Karma
His AC Ruller trines my NN, my PF and oposes my Karma
Hsi DC Ruler trines my NN

Hsi Eros makes 10 aspects to mine;my Eros makes 10 aspects to his) hihih

Juno
His makes 10 aspects to mine (in1º to moon/merc/venus/sat/nep/pluto/VX/MC/AC)
MY Juno aspects hsi NN and Karma in 2ºorb

Kiron is one of the most aspected also:
His malkes 9 aspects to my planets and my Kiron makes 7 - Magi here sounds to be right hihihi

VAlentine
His makes 6 aspects to mine (3º)
Mine makes 10 to his(3º)

Karma
His makes 5 to mine (3º)
My makes 7 to his (3º)

The majority of your findings do fit in our Sinastry Chart

posted October 13, 2007 04:15 PM              

this is interesting. I used your synastry chart as one of the 7 (I hope you don`T mind), but I`ve had different results than you.
But then again I have been sticking to only conjunction, trine, opposition, sextile and square (didn`t check the solstice points and reflections) and I also only used Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptun e, Pluto, NN, ASC, MC, VAlentine, Amor, Karma, Juno, Eros, Vertex and Chiron.
And I used a 2° orb for all aspects, including conjunctions. WEll, I used the astro.com 2°, which actually is rather a 3° orb, since astro.com calls everything 2° from 2°00 - 2°59.

"ry the planet that made most of the aspects was Venus and the asteroid was Karma, followed By Juno and then by Eros."
Hmm, what did I fail to see here?
I counted 10 aspects with ASC / DSC,
9 aspects with Mercury and Eros,
8 aspects with Karma and Juno,
but only 6 aspects with Venus (which is still a good rate).

"In our case ,Mercury also had many conections within 2º( 6 from my side and 6 from him)"
Hmm, I only saw 4 aspects to his Mercury and 5 aspects to your Mercury.

I guess, the differences may be the result of a slightly wider orb (can that be?) and that you included some more points and asteroids that I left out.
Still, the pattern stays the same, or at least similar enough.

posted October 13, 2007 06:14 PM              

i Thought that myself when i red your thread " Hmm i would love if DD have used our sinastry chart" hihihihi - I dont mind at all!!!

You can use it whenever you can and want - i love to see these researches that you do

Yup youre right i ~used up to 3º of Astro and also the minor aspects ( i know they arent so looked at in astrology but i like to see those in a 0ºorb ) and used alo PF AS is also a "destiny" thing...

Thanks !!!
Ive enjoyed very much to know that we are one of the examples of a patter regarding your research

posted October 13, 2007 07:04 PM              

I always thought there was more to Magi-astrology than meets the eye.
But I HATE their patronizing tone. However I like to see some statistical proof to a theory, and yes, the fact that Chiron aspects occurred so regularly, gives some confirmation.

BTW did you read in the group what I was writing about "Robin Hood" and the main actor?
I`d like to know some of your thoughts of my "craziness". If you have time, that is.

posted October 13, 2007 08:00 PM              

I promise i will look at it later but for now i have to go to bed hihihi ( here are almost 1 am!))

I remenber that youve had some sincronicities there regarding the 2 oposites (female/male) wasnt it?

Also dw´s envolving the couples of the 2 stories - it´s awesome cause both stories are very interlinked in your both lives - he by acting and you by being so touvh for the 1st time you´re red those-

posted October 14, 2007 10:15 AM              

"I cant hie the fact that from all the persons with which youve talked about, the one who points to me the favorite and most important - is the actor - it´s just a feeling!"
Which one? They are all actors. lol

However, to make the confusion even more complete, I looked at the chart of the guy, who made me so angry. I hope you know who I am talking about. I wanted to find an astrological reason for my unjustified feelings of anger towards him, especially that I now see him from a different angle. I thought I could see that astrologically.

But look what I found:

His Sun exactly opposite my Moon

His Sun exactly sextile my Karma (which is interesting, since there is a dw in the draconic charts; his dr Karma conjuncts my Sun, while his dr Sun opposite my Karma)

A dw of VAlentine - NN:
my Valentine is conjunct his NN by 0°22
his VAlentine is conjunct my NN by 3°

A dw of Eros and Psyche
His Eros is exactly solstice conjunct my Psyche
my Eros is solstice conjunct his Psyche

A dw of Saturn / Valentine

His Venus solstice my Chiron

His Pluto square my Venus

his Ceres and Psyche conjunct my DSC

His Juno conjunct my Eros and Vertex
his Juno trine my VAlentine
his Juno solstice my Mars and ASC

HIs Karma conjunct my Cupid
his Karma trine my Chiron
his Karma solstice my PoM

his Valentine oppoiste my Karma
his Valentine reflects my Juno

his Erso exactly sextile my Venus
his Eros opposite my PoM

his Osiris trine my VErtex
his Osiris solstice conjunct my Pluto
his Osiris reflects my NN by 0°07

his name in his chart trines my Amor and reflects my Valentine by 0°04 and 0°05

his name in his chart conjuncts my Chiron

my name in his charts conjuncts my Saturn, Eros and Vertex (that is a real strange one)

my name in my chart conjuncts his Isis and opposite his Siva

his Robin trines my Venus, Isis and Osiris
his Robin squares my Marian
his Robin conjunct my PoM by 0°02 (and is also conjunct my Eros-Psyche-mp)
his Robin solstice conjunct my Cupid

my Robin trine his MErcury, Jupiter and Chiron

his Marian sextile my Moon
his Marian conjunct my Chiron

my Marian solstice his Isis and Siva

and in the draconics:

his dr Sun trine my Chiron and opposite my Karma

my dr Sun trine his Sun and his Valentine
my dr Sun conjuncts his Marian and his name in his chart

my dr Moon trines his Pluto
my dr Moon conjuncts his Ceres and Psyche
my dr Moon solstice his Juno and my name in his Chart

his dr Venus trines his name in my chart
his dr Venus trines my own name in my chart
his dr Venus solstice my Karma by 0°08

my dr Venus conjuncts his Jupiter and Chiron
my dr Venus reflects his Eros

his dr Mars conjuncts my dr DSC

my dr Mars trines his SAturn, Juno and NN

his dr Saturn conjuncts my Valentine

my dr Saturn conjuncts his ERos
my dr Saturn opposite his Robin
my dr Saturn solstice his Karma

his dr Pluto sextile my NN
his dr Pluto conuncts my Marian and his name in my chart
his dr Pluto reflects my Vertex and Eros

his dr Ceres conjunct my Pluto

his dr Juno conjunct my Valentine by 0°17

my dr Juno trine his Eros
my dr Juno sextile his Robin
my dr Juno reflects his Karma

my dr ASC trine his Saturn, Juno and NN

his dr Karma conjunct my Sun and my Robin
his dr Karma sextile my Psyche by 0°00
his dr Karma solstice my Venus by 0°10

my dr Karma conjunct his Pluto
my dr Karma trine his Psyche (this one is also exact)
my dr Karma opposite his name in his chart
my dr Karma reflects his Mars and SN

his dr Valentine sextiles my Moon by 0°00
his dr VAlentine sextiles my Karma and reflects my Siva

my dr Valentine conjuncts his Amor and his Osiris
my dr VAlentine trines his Siva
my dr Valentine reflects his Valentine

his dr Amor conjunct my Eros and Vertex
his dr Amor solstice my ASC by 0°04

my dr Amor conjunct his Amor and Osiris
my dr Amor trine my name in his chart
my dr Amor solstice his Pluto

his dr Psyche conjunct my Pluto
his dr Psyche sextile my NN
his dr Psyche trine my Marian
his dr Psyche trine his name in my chart

my dr Psyche opposite his Valentine

his dr Eros conjunct my Ceres and Jupiter
his dr Eros solstice my Chiron

my dr Eros exactly sextile his Venus
my dr Eros opposite his Robin
my dr ERos solstice his Karma
my dr Eros reflects his name in his chart

his dr Isis solstice my Pluto
his dr Isis reflects my SN and DC

my dr Isis conjuncts his Chiron

his dr Osiris square my Chiron
his dr Osiris conjunct my Vertex
his dr Osiris solstice my ASC

my dr Osiris conjunct his Chiron

his dr Kaali conjunct my Venus
his dr Kaali solstice my Sun

my dr Kaali opposite his name in his chart
my dr Kaali reflects his Mars

his dr Siva trine my VErtex
his dr Siva solstice my Pluto
his dr Siva reflects my NN and ASC

my dr Siva opposite his Kaali

his dr Robin opposite my Ceres and Jupiter
his dr Robin square my NN
his dr Robin solstice my Chiron

my dr Robin trine his Sun and Valentine
my dr Robin conjunct his Marian
my dr Robin conjuncts his name in his chart

his dr Marian trine my Sun and Chiron
his dr Marian opposite my Psyche
his dr Marian trine my Robin
his dr Marian solstice my PoM

my dr Marian conjuncts his SN
my dr Marian sextile his name in his chart

his dr name in his Chart trine my Mars, ASC and Amor

his dr name in my chart opposite his ERos
his dr name in my chart conjuncts his SN

my dr name in my chart sextile his Eros
my dr name in my chart trine his Robin

Well, I left out quite a few, and still the list has gotten longer than I intended it to be. lol
But can you see what has been going on, why I was so upset back then?

There are some connections, that look rather nice, especially that Valentine / nn- conjunction (the composite has it, too, within 1,5° exactly on my natal Amor-Mars-conjunction - and coincidence, coincidence, in december transiting Juno will be exactly conjuncting it).

I also can see why he impressed me, when I saw him as "Robin".

his Robin trine my Venus, Isis and Osiris, and conjunct my PoM, asteroid actor (ha, ha) and my Eros-Psyche-mp.

his Marian conjunct my Chiron and dr Sun and sextile my Moon.

his dr Marian trine my Sun and Chiron and Robin.

my Robin conjunct his dr Karma, opposite his Eros and trine his dr Marian.

My dr Robin trine his Sun and Valentine, and conjunct his Marian and his own name.

My dr Marian conjuncts his SN.

Well, I guess it`s understandable with his my Robin aspecting his Sun, and his Marian aspecting my Sun, that I had to take back my previous opinion. lol

But what made me being so upset in the first place?
Do you think it might be all those Chiron-placements? Chiron signifies a wound after all, maybe he just coincidentally touched a sore spot inside of me, that I didn`t want to face again.

What do you think?
(and yes, I know, I`m obsessed doing those long lists, and I hope I don`t upset you with this, but I always fear to forget something important)

posted October 14, 2007 02:13 PM              

You know that im not like you interpreting aspects i only know just a few ones

But by lookin to them i just couldnt help on look to the faovite IQ´s placement: the Valentine-N conjunction - and its a DW!!! I
wish i had those ones with Jonnhy hihihi

And not only that but you have another SM aspect of Dr ZOdian: a DW with Psyche-Eros (which he says its very common between family members but not so much in the other ones and when its found-its a very powerful clue that we could have found a SM)

Venus/Kiron - here it is the Cinderella aspect- we have that one too and its very good also.

I see kiron as the healer and i dont look at it as if its a bad thing, for the contrary!! We all have deep wounds inside and to heal them we must face it and just some special and few people can heal our hearts..so to me,Kiron aspects are very important and reflects the person who heals us with no other objective than healing us by love,and vice-versa.

Maybe he awaken in you a deep wound and you didnt liked it and cause d you dislike of him - but you will know with time what really was.

Some people appears in us to show us our wounds and our own limits, some others appear to heal them. That doenst mean that we will directly have a social or love life with them, but im the one who thinks that every person we feel important to us, always plays important roles in our lives - for hours,days ir years,it doenst matter.

What do you say abou this?

posted October 15, 2007 06:23 AM            

You always have such interesting threads! I'm off to work again, but it gives me something to look forward to and to check out when I get home!

posted October 15, 2007 01:13 PM              

"You know that im not like you interpreting aspects i only know just a few ones "
Don`t underestimate yourself! I think you`re pretty good.

"But by lookin to them i just couldnt help on look to the faovite IQ´s placement: the Valentine-N conjunction - and its a DW!!! I
wish i had those ones with Jonnhy hihihi"
Yes, that was the aspect that really stood out to me. And I also thought you would love to have this one for you and Johnny. lol
Oh and I mentioned that there`s also a Valentine - NN-conjunction in the composite, didn`t I?

"nd not only that but you have another SM aspect of Dr ZOdian: a DW with Psyche-Eros "
Jip, and his Psyche-Eros-mp is opposite my Psyche, while my Psyche-Eros-mp is opposite his Eros. I found that pretty interesting.

"We all have deep wounds inside and to heal them we must face it and just some special and few people can heal our hearts.."
That is true, bue maybe I just don`t want to look to closely at my wound. Well, in my case Chiron is also widely square my Saturn, square my Eros and Vertex and square my Sun-Moon-mp. Maybe it`s a bit too much wounding.

"so to me,Kiron aspects are very important and reflects the person who heals us with no other objective than healing us by love,and vice-versa."
Who would do the healing? The chiron person or the planet person?

"Maybe he awaken in you a deep wound and you didnt liked it and cause d you dislike of him - but you will know with time what really was."
Yes, that is probably true.
But I gave it some more thought. The thing is, I remember that I reacted very similiarly when music man entered my life, the first one.
My instant reaction was one of shock and denial actually.

Well, maybe it`s my aloof Aquarius-Moon, but I`?m a bit weird when it comes to being "attracted" - I`m speaking generally; "attraction" that just makes you pay attention to something or someone, because they somehow get through to you.

I have two ways to react to any kind of attraction: Enthusiasm or anger; it depends on if I welcome this attraction or if I refuse to let it happen. Then it makes me angry, because it feels like I`m knocked out of balance. And I like my balance!

If I really don`t like someone, then I usually don´t get angry. Unless they hit some "red button" inside of me.

You mentioned the Sun-ruler above, that reminded me of the planetary rulers. I once had started wondering, if they can influence our synastry (I think they can).

It`s very significant in my parent`s chart. They are still very much in love with each other, the Venusian kind of love, but they share so little Venus-aspect. My dad`s Venus has only a square to my Mum`s Mercury.

But if I include the rulers, they have:

his Sun-ruler conjunct her Venus
his ASC - ruler trine her Venus
his Venus-ruler conjunct her Venus, Mars and ASC.

Also, they have a Sun-sun-square, and yet they get along much better than expected, but his Sun-ruler is trine her Sun and conjunct her ASC. That might explain a bit.

So I looked to that intriguing synastry, I only used Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, DSC, NN and SN and conjunction / opposition and trine:

my Sun trine his Moon-ruler (1)
my Sun-ruler opposite his Moon
his Sun opposite my Moon (1)
his Sun-ruler opposite my Moon (1)
my Sun trine his Venus-ruler (1)
my Sun-ruler opposite his Venus (0)
my Sun-ruler opposite his Mars-ruler (0)
his Moon-ruler trine my DSC-ruler (0)

my ASC-ruler opposite his Venus (0)
my ASC-ruler opposite his Mars-ruler (0)
my DC-ruler trine his Venus-ruler (0)

my Mars-ruler opposite his Venus (0)
my Mars-ruler opposite his Mars-ruler (0)

my NN-ruler opposite his Venus (0)
my NN-ruler opposite his Mars-ruler (0)
my NN-ruler opposite his SN-ruler (0)
his NN-ruler trine my DC (0)
his NN-ruler trine my SN (3)

my SN-ruler trine his Moon-ruler (0)
my SN-ruler trine his Venus-ruler (0)
his SN-ruler opposite my Sun-ruler (0)
his SN-ruler opposite my ASC-ruler (0)
his SN-ruler opposite my Mars-ruler (0)

Actually those ruler-aspects are caused by only a few aspect, which coincidentally are also the closest.

his Sun opposite my Moon (1)
his Mercury trine my Sun (1)
his Mercury trine my Sun (0)
HIs Venus opposite my Jupiter (0)
his Pluto trine my DC (0)

Sun rules his Sun (and Mercury) (in Leo).
Mercury rules his Moon and Venus (Virgo) and my DSC and SN (Gemini).
Venus rules his Mars and SN. (Taurus)
Pluto rules his NN (Scorpio)
Jupiter rules my Sun, (Mercury), Mars, ASC and NN (Sagittarius).

What do you think of it? Do you also have interesting connections between JOhnny`s and your planetary rulers and planets?

Eighth Moon,

I`m glad you like my topics. I`m looking forward to your input.

I hope you had a great day, too.

posted October 15, 2007 07:20 PM            

dd right on about Eros for sure. I believe the reason for this is because Eros is part of the Greek word for passionate love, lovemaking, that feeling of "head over heels in love with you" as well as the act of making love...this little word is used in all these expressions of love between a couple.
I too always find amazing connections with Eros.

I hope your work involves research because you are good at it and very patient

Asc and Desc angles and rulers in contact with each other as well as the other person's love asteroids, Venus etc...
I find the Desc ruler always connects with important planets in the other's charts

posted October 15, 2007 08:24 PM            

I'm going by your original post. These are me w/ good ole C and V again. I want to look at other people I know, but will have to do that later.

AC/DC ruler conjunct Ac/DC ruler in other's chart...w/ V yes...w/i one degree.

AC/DC ruler aspects Vertex (sextile 1 deg w/ C) and Karma (conj 2 deg C)

I followed the 2 degree rule and used the planets/asteroids you mentioned...

Eros: v/6 C/9
TN: V/6 C/6
Vertex: V/10 C/8
AC: V/8 C/8
MC: V/8 C/16!!!
Chiron: V/4 C/8
Valentine: V/9 C/8
Amor: V/9 C/4
Karma: V/13! C/6
Juno: V/7 C/8

Others that stood out due to low/high number of aspects:

Sun: V/1!! C/8
Moon: V/4 C/5
Jupiter: V/11 C/16!
Saturn: V/1 C/5
Neptune: V/13 C/6

Hope the way I listed the info makes sense!

posted October 16, 2007 08:55 AM              

9Moon

I only understood the 2 first lines hihih - im gonna check it out with more time!

DD,

I think regarding Kiron,the kiron person may do the healing in a more "visionable" way but at the same time,both feels healed

Your parents sinastry show that its not just the sinastry aspects that appears in the tables that contributes to the energies that act in a relationship.

I agree with Mystqiue and you - the rullers may very well make a powerfull influence on the ways 2 persons act with each other.

Look, me and my bf also have some dificult aspects in our sinastry :Moons skuared and our Suns in semisextile!

And in fact, we do get along well ( of course with some argues along the way hihih, you already know)

Hmm let me see..about our rullers (in 3º)

His Sun-ruler trines my Moon(ruled by Venus 3º),conjunct my Sun/NN ruler.Opose my VX

His Moon/SN/DC-Ruler trines my NN(1º),and widely sextiles my Moon/AC-Ruller

His Venus-Ruler sextiles my DC-Ruler,Karma/Valentine.Widely conj my Sun/NN-Ruler.

His MARS-Ruler sextiles my VENUS-RULER.

His NN/AC-Ruler widely trines my Pluto,and trines my NN/PF and widely oposes my DC-Ruler

My Sun/NN ruler conjuncts his Sun-ruller(4º)which is VENUS , and his Sun(5º),sextiles his AC(1)

My Moon/AC-Ruler widely sextiles his Moon/SN/DC Ruler;and trines his Juno and his 9th house ruler.

My Venus/Mars-Ruler sextiles his Mars-Ruler,sextiles his NN,trine his Karma/Isis/Osiris

My SN-rULER Conj his MC-Ruler and the Ruler of his 8th House;trine his AC

mY DC-Ruler trines his MC and VX,sextiles hsi Sun,his Venus-Ruler;skuares his Valentine.

yOU SEEM TO have very good conections on the rullers - some sort of a DW Sun-Moon;Sun-Venus DW - dont know if we could look like Dw´s but i think so

posted October 16, 2007 12:36 PM              

ah, I`m glad that you can confirm my findings on Eros. I`ve grown attached to him, even though I know he`s a very powerful "deimos", and shouldn`t be underestimated.

"I believe the reason for this is because Eros is part of the Greek word for passionate love, lovemaking, that feeling of "head over heels in love with you" as well as the act of making love"
You think Eros hints at all that?

What if there were no Venus- or Mars-aspects, but strong Eros-activation, how would that play out?

In my own synastries Eros is often connected to Venus, Mars, Pluto or Eros itself. Those were the ones, which triggered a deep, compelling attraction in me, even if it didn`t lead to a relationship.

"I hope your work involves research because you are good at it and very patient"
Thank you, but no, it`s not really a part of my work. However, I like those researches, because they can show what really works in astrology. I know, you never get 100%, but anyone can claim to have found the ultimate way to interprete synastries, but I like some sort of proof. A few years ago I wouldn`t have bothered to look at asteroids, but I come more and more to the conclusion, they are underestimated. But I want to know which one works and how well they work compared to planets. And I was amazed to see that especially Eros, Juno and Chiron worked just like the normal planets. HOwever, I need to investigate much more charts to get a "probability".

"I find the Desc ruler always connects with important planets in the other's charts"
Yes, that is to me one of the theories, that are nearly 100%.

AC/DC ruler conjunct Ac/DC ruler in other's chart...w/ V yes...w/i one degree.
Wow! That sounds like a very intimate connection.

AC/DC ruler Karma (conj 2 deg C)
This one is certainly very meaningful, too.

Eros: v/6 C/9
- so, it does actually confirm my findings. If Eros makes at average 6,6 aspects, you`re an example for this, and even more.

TN: V/6 C/6
Hmm, what is TN? True Node?
Interestingly, I have found that in several synastries the TRue NOde made exactly 6 aspects (4 from 6 synastries had that).

Vertex: V/10 C/8
Wow! That is much more, than my examples had.

MC: V/8 C/16!!!
I`m not sure what those high numbers with MC mean, but maybe it also influences the IC.

Karma: V/13! C/6
With V there seems to be a lot of karmic interplay.

Juno: V/7 C/8
Juno fits into the others examples, too, actually it`s a bit higher than average.

Sun: V/1!! C/8
1 Sun-aspect seems to be very low. Interesting.

Jupiter: V/11 C/16!
Does Jupiter rule your ASC or DSC or theirs?
are the Sagittarius - GEmini or Pisces - Virgo-axis emphasised in any way?

Neptune: V/13 C/6
So much Neptune! How does it feel, having so much Neptune between the two of you?

Hi Diandra,

"I think regarding Kiron,the kiron person may do the healing in a more "visionable" way but at the same time,both feels healed"
But if Chiron represents my wound, how can I heal someone else?

"His Sun-ruler trines my Moon(ruled by Venus 3º),conjunct my Sun/NN ruler.Opose my VX"
And there you have a subtle Sun-Moon-connection.

His Moon/SN/DC-Ruler trines my NN(1º),and
Seems to be very significant, too.

It seems those ruler-interaction can make some sort of connection, too.
Also in the natal chart. It might be a difference if the ruler of my Sun was trining my Sun or squaring it, I guess.

" some sort of a DW Sun-Moon;Sun-Venus DW - dont know if we could look like Dw´s but i think so "#
Yes, It hink it`s some kind of dw.

Also, those ruler-aspects might give a hint towards, why the same aspect might be expressed differently in two synastries.

For example: Two guys, who are born in 1972, only 2 weeks apart.
Both would have their Saturn trine my Moon.

Just guy 1 has a Capricorn-Sun, while guy 2 has no planet in Capricorn.

So, in the first case, I could also read that aspect as a trine of his Sun-ruler to my Moon - and I think that might add another nuance.

Hi Venusdeindia,

"also IQ said that when u r concentrating on true love the asteroids will affect u more, so maybe a lot depends on the intentions of the couple involved?"
I agree with that.

For example: Eros-aspects.
It might be true that in many cases there is a high number of them, but it can also be that, in a synastry Eros doesn`t figure so strongly, just because the erotic kind of love is maybe not what brought or keep those people together. Maybe to them the friendship-feeling of strong Jupiter is more important.

But in a certain age most people wouldn`t be contented with an almost asexual relationship, and I`d assume, Eros (or Venus or Mars) might figure quite strongly in those synastries.

posted October 16, 2007 01:33 PM              

Without asteroids: (orb is 3°)

His Sun conjunct her Venus (4°38)
His Mercury sextile her Mercury (3)
HIs Mercury sextile her Mars (0)
His Mercury squar her Uranus (1)
His Mercury trine her Neptune (1)
HIs Mercury sextile her Pluto (3)
His Mars opposite her Uranus (0)
His Jupiter sextile her Mercury (3)
his Jupiter sextile her Mars (0)
His Uranus trine her Mercury (1)
His Uranus square her NN (2)
His Neptune triner her Vneus (2)
His NN conjunct her NN (1)

DW:

Mercury / Mercury
Mercury / URanus
Uranus / NN

This doesn`t look like the synastry of a great love to me, to be honest.
The Sun-Venus-conjunction is very nice and a sign of a sure attraction, even though the orb is a tad wide, so I`m not sure how much it really weighs.
But it`s there, and it`s probably what brought them together in the first place, a strong affection for each other.
The Venus-Neptune-trine looks also like there could be some love between them. Very romantic. But that`s about it, concerning love-aspects! And his Venus has no single aspect to her planets!

The rest looks more like a gread friendship to me (Mercury-aspects and most aspects are sextile).

But now with Asteroids:

His Chiron sextile her Mercury (0)
His Chiron squar eher NN (3)
His Chiron square her Psyxche (1)
Her Chiron square his Mercury (3)
Her Chiron square hsi Karma (0)
Her Chiron sextile hsi Amor (1)
Her Chiron sextile his Juno (2)

His Karma sextile her Mars (2)
His Karma trine her Neptune (1)
HIs Karma sextile her pluto (0)
HIs Karma square her Chiron (0)
His Karma trine her Karma (2)
His Karma sextile her Juno (2)
HIs Karma trine her Eros (0)
Her Karma trine his Mercury (0)
Her Karma trine his Jupiter (0)
Her Karma trine his Karma (2)
Her Karma square his Amor (3)

His Valentine trine her Venus (1)
Her Valentine oposite his Venus (2)
Her Valentine square his Neptune (0)
Her Valentine trine his Eros (2)
Her Valentine square his Psyche (2)

His Amor trine her Sun (3)
His Amor square her Mars (3)
His Amor squar eher Neptune (2)
His Amor sextile her Chiron (12)
His Amor square her Karma (3)
Her Amor opposite his Eros (0)

His Juno trine her Uranus (1)
HIs Jno square her Pluto (3)
His Juno sextile her Chiron (2)
His Juno square her Juno (1)
HIs Juno square her Eros (3)
His Juno conjunct her psyxche (1)
Her Juno sextile his Mercury (1)
Her Juno opposite his Jupiter (1)
her Juno square his SAturn 82)
Her juno sextile his Karma (2)
Her Juno squar ehis Juno (1)

His Eros trine her Valentine (2)
His Eros opposit eher Amor (0)
Her ERos trine his Mercury (3)
Her Eros conjunct his Jupiter (3)
Her Eros trine his Karma (0ß)
Her ERos squar ehis Juno (3)

DW:

Chiron / Mercury
Karma / Karma
Valentine / Venus
Juno / Juno

I guess, especially the last three dw`s could explain why those two married.

Or am I missing something here?

DD

posted October 16, 2007 04:34 PM            

as always very interesting to read about your theories and research!!!

I always find venus connections highly significant, also I completely agree with you that the angles, particularly the AC/DC axis, are hugely important and major aspects (conjuncts/oppositins) to the ruler of the angles. it's like watching a clockwork..these patterns show up again and again and again. I also find lots of chiron aspects in significant relationships. In terms of asteroids, DEFINITELY Juno and Eros.

I'm not sure in how far venus aspects can balance out a lack of eros aspects and vice versa. With me I've always found they go hand in hand, maybe because that's the kind of energy I love and probably also because both venus and eros are quite a sensitive spot in my chart and also tightly interlinked. (Eros is out of bounds in my 1st house and opposite mercury and venus).

posted October 24, 2007 12:43 PM              

I also wonder if it makes a difference if only the Eros of one person is aspected, but the other`s Eros is unaspected.
I`d think that what is aspected in your chart, is activated in your personality.

For example: if someone is aspecting your Venus, then it`s your Venus-energies that are activated.
But according what Jane sais it seems to be a mutual thing, even though only one person`s Eros is aspected.
I really have no idea. Sorry.

posted October 24, 2007 12:58 PM              

Your ideas with the persona chart is interesting. I got to have a look at those, too.

I think, the ruler of 1, is ALWAYS important, and for love relationships Venus (and maybe also Mars) might be interesting, too.

You have awesome aspects with your man. Wow!

Did you compare the Mars persona chart with the neptune persona chart, or each persona chart with the natals?