posted December 22, 2007 10:29 AM            

p.s. 4H Saturn here

posted December 23, 2007 12:11 PM            

Sad childhood? Check.

posted November 16, 2010 03:33 PM            

I had an extremely rough childhood. I was neglected and abused by both my parents and I was also abused in school. I had to see a psychiatrist when I was 5 years old. My father was mentally ill and an alcoholic and my mother mentally ill and a binge drinker.

posted December 10, 2010 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
4thH pluto to me is always a picture of broken home,very wide metaphor,and on the first level-broken traditional impression of home;home life out of formal conventions. Maybe divoced parents or lack of harmony,turbulent family ties(and which ones arent),or unclear past. From here it can go in many directions,and many of them very are dark,but i never see it as a flawed position. Or any position,for that matter. But,what is most remarkable here is that fantastic,boundless,rooted inner power and ability to see and help. I know a lot of people like this and all of them rised above every bad thing in their life,but somehow there remains small tinge of bitterness,and they know its there,completely aware,and it keeps them moving on... Any mc/dc/ic (and asc,of course,but this one is obvious) planet is incorporated into pesonality,so ic pluto is very much asc pluto...
I have been told it can also indicate violent death,but really,i never pay attention,just=first and foremost,free will !! Killers also have free will sorry,bit of morbid humor i just love exploring astrology on psychology level,i never project it as absolute into reality

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posted January 09, 2011 02:46 PM            

pluto could be transformation, fatal, misfortunate, pain.

it could also instead be obsession.

point is, it all relates to the THEME of what pluto represents.

in my case, its a bit of everything.

i am an only child, my mother, particularly in the younger years, always worshipped me and was Very very protective. she loved me very much. i would call my mother Plutonian, an obsessive energy, intense.

then there is my experiences growing up, i didn't have a dreamy experience growing up. my mother, fitting in the theme of pluto, suffered with her bipolar disorder particularly alot during my young years.

this meant everytime she would be ill, she was not fit to look after me or herself well. so i had to be taken care of by my grandmother, who grew dear to me like as if my another mother of mine. in total, im sure my nan has raised me for one year straight, and on off periods of months looking after me. but of course these amount of times are a long time to a child. and my first expeirence of being apart from my mother was somewhat traumatic emotionalyl for me, it upset me and i missed her alot. but i seemed to have adapted to it after the first time and it was actually quite, "easy" or okay, to be apart from her, i missed herb ut i wasnt feeling discontentment inside anymore or upset.

my family background in general is a bit of a mess, my mothers disorder ended up destroying her relationship to all 5 siblings and made it very uneasy to maintain one with my grandmother. my mother is quite the plutionian, her pluto is in her first house.

this has caused me problems with relationships with my aunts and uncles because, there is "sides" and i have taken my mothers side in some of it because they are in the wrong too.its left me and my mother mostly secluded from the fmaily, i dont have too much issue with it. when i was young i had strong relationships with my aunts who were also like my mother to me when i stayed with my nan (at different years they lived with my grandmother)

anyway..

i would say the following:

trouble in childhood being raised? - yes to a degree. some 'mild' truamatic experience with parent. single parent).

family issues? yes, there was issues, the plutonian family background exceeds my history with them, its in all the history with my grandfather taht i didnt get to know well.

is my mother plutonian? absolutely.

has my mother treated me badly? yes, particularly more in the present and later years, she can build me up sometimes, but for the most part, (without consciously realising it it seems) feels the need to bring me down, to say destroying comments and things, that i believe are meant to motivate me to change and do something about it, but it doesnt, it just makes me feel small, like she breaks me down.

last of all, do i relate to a plutonian description? i feel like people will disagree but iv always felt some kind of relation to pluto energy or scorpio energy.

i dont have any scorpio personal planets besides pluto in scorpio. my IC is in libra. pluto right in the middle of it.

pluto sextiles my mars and.. neptune. the major aspect i have with pluto in my chart is a very tight square to my asc. which is probably arguably more the reason why i relate to pluto.

i relate to -

control desires, power desires, intensity at times (if saturn lets go of the leash on me) and a general strong itnerest in psychology. im quite psychological.

i just relate strongly to the pluto description square to asc, but pluto energy feels like a quite a part of me that i can't shake or call a transit (i have transiting pluto squrae moon, and past year my venus, and earlier trine my sun)..

i agree with the notion that angular houses are like other ASC's and planets in them and their ruling planets represent how we react to them.

my pluto square asc and rests in my 4th, so i relate ot a pluto/scorp asc.

i have sun in the 1st, i relate to that, especialyl sincem y asc is in leo (native pluto in scorpio square a leo asc, a native planet positon square that sign) maybe emphasis the description i can relate to?

my asc rulers are Venus in Libra, Uranus in Capricorn, Sun In Leo, Mars in Virgo.

and looking at that, i feel i am known best for energy of those signs.

also, i agree with what glaucus wrote about being psychological, iv always felt talented in emotional understanding and psychological understanding of others, especially in the later years.

it feels a big part of me, something that comes natural to me, i think this is also becaue i have moon trine my ASC. and said pluto in the 4th square smy asc.

it is said, our ASC sign and ruler is our vehical to get to what we want in life, and whta we react with, its a part of our armory or tools.

i feel pluto is most definitely one.

posted February 22, 2013 03:44 AM            

Personally, I didn't have a sad childhood overall (I also have venus in my fourth house. I'm still digging around my chart and not sure what it all means lol). I was/am close to both of my parents (more so my dad). The only sad thing in my childhood was my father passing when I was 12.

I found this on the topic while searching around:

Those born with Pluto in the 4th house may have experienced something dramatic in the family home, and whatever it was it can sometimes make them feel isolated and rootless. Perhaps there was much that was hidden or secret in their childhood, and this has changed them indefinitely.

According to modern astrology the fourth house rules the father, and everything we inherit from our immediate family. Pluto in the 4th house can show early intimidation, and the father may appear threatening to the child, even if his behavior has unwarranted this powerful reaction. On the other hand, the father may have had a profound affect on the individual growing up, and his absence leaves psychological wounds. Another possibility is that he had difficulty in expressing his emotions, suffered from deep depression, and so when he erupted the violence of his reactions frighten a young child. The father may have been over-demanding, over-controlling, over-protective or jealous.

posted February 23, 2013 06:32 PM              

I have pluto in the 4th.

My father commited suicide when I was 4.

I think of how life would have been if he was still here. I feel like a part of my soul is missing without him.

My mom and I get along at times but shes very critical and sometimes I feel like the black sheep of the family.

Jupiter Conjunct Pluto
Saturn Conjunct Pluto
Pluto Square ASC
Sun Trine Pluto
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Venus inconjunct pluto
Mercury SesquiQuadrate Pluto
Moon BiQuintile Pluto

posted February 23, 2013 06:42 PM              

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Originally posted by letram:
does anyone know what it could mean in general for people with a pluto in the 4th square their asc? not a planet?

what could that mean for that 4th house pluto background?

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I have that too.

I found this:

Pluto Square Or Opposite Ascendant
Taboo sex, death, stalkers and spies, yes they are all here as you would expect with the square pushing Pluto’s seething larva to the surface. Pluto is not embodied in the subject like the conjunction. Instead it plays out very strongly in relationships. On the surface this person is nothing like the Pluto archetype, they may even look quite fluffy. It is only when they become sexually involved that their stalking, obsessive, compulsive side becomes apparent, but by then its too late. Their partner is shocked when they wake up and find a great ball and chain clamped to their ankle. When did that happen? It’s not that Pluto in hard aspect to the Ascendant is really that controlling, what has happened is somehow they have seduced their lover into following them so far down into their black velvet labyrinth that they simply cannot find their way out again. In the process they have become so enmeshed with their Pluto partner that severance would seem like a very painful and messy operations. This clamping can work both ways, the subject plays either Pluto or Persephone, for while Pluto squares/opposes the AC it also squares/conjuncts the DC. Sometimes they flip from one to the other in successive relationships, feeling bullied in one marriage only to divorce and go onto and play the tyrant in the next. Taboo sex and fetishes seems to be a strong theme here and they may feel compelled to hide them or live a double life. If their sexual urges are suppressed then they can warp into violence or the rage can turn in on itself and result in mental illness. S & M may be healing and cathartic for these types more than most. Hard aspects to Pluto sometimes feel like you have some massive karmic debt to pay off and that all relationships are “fated”.
http://darkstarastrology.com/pluto-ascendant-aspects/

LOL

On the surface this person is nothing like the Pluto archetype, they may even look quite fluffy. It is only when they become sexually involved that their stalking, obsessive, compulsive side becomes apparent.

posted March 01, 2013 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Waterlily:
Astralmuse I dont want to got into gross details but she was never the one who received black eyes or got put in the emergency room. I think its safe to say she was the favorite. Her life just always seemed magically easier and happier than mine. Anyhoo this isnt the "lets hear Waterlily whine thread" so I'll stop being a baby now

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posted March 01, 2013 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by enchantress299:
Honestly... I've seen more "sad" or "bad" childhoods with people who have Saturn in the 4th. In fact, sometimes I'll even know that Saturn is in the 4th before I look at their chart.

However, I would agree with whomever said that if there are hard aspects to Pluto and/or the Nodes in the 4th the individual very well might have had a not so great family life and/or childhood.

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posted March 04, 2013 09:23 AM              

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Originally posted by MillyX:
My mom has this. Her childhood days were filled with violence from her own mom. Her and her siblings moved out of the house at around the age of 12/13. My grandma would beat the sh*t out of her husband and her own kids for no reason.

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Thats so sad ;(

posted March 11, 2013 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Thats so sad ;(

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posted March 28, 2013 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Waterlily:
I have this and I read somewhere it meant a difficult childhood and constantly being hurt and put down by one or both parents, not receiving needed attention, and always have unexplained feelings of shame. This makes me laugh cuz my sister(pluto in third) doesnt have this and I always felt she was favored by my parents she was the genius, the beauty, the sweet one, the popular one and my parents never let me forget. Its like she cannot do any wrong. Does anyone have this aspect? How do you feel? Did you ever get over it?

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