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Got Gemini?
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posted March 17, 2008 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does Venus conjunct vertex in synastry mean? My Venus conjuncts an interest's vertex with a 1 degree orb. Who affects who and how?

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posted March 17, 2008 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cafeastrology.com/vertex.html

It is important to note that when romantic partners have conjunctions between one person's Vertex and the other person's personal planets (and/or going both ways), it doesn't necessarily mean the relationship is a blissful, "happily ever after" one. That is hardly the case. However, it does suggest a powerful connection.

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posted March 17, 2008 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, read that one. I want to know how the Venus and vertex person are affected individually by the conjunction.

Thanks for your reply though.

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posted March 17, 2008 11:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vertex is very sensitive to birth time, so you can't use it in a synastry/composite chart, if you've guessed the other person's birth time. In this case it's very likely that your Venus isn't conjunct her Vertex.

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posted March 17, 2008 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Jennifer Aniston would say, "here's the science bit":

In the horoscopic chart, the astrological Vertex is calculated as being the point located at the intersection of the Ecliptic (path of the Sun) and the Prime Meridian, a plane that divides the celestial sphere into front and back.

http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm

It's a calculated point on the chart, an axis. I don't know if we can properly speak of it as bringing planetary energy into a relationship.

The whole of the above article is worth reading. The author likens the Vertex/Anti-Vertex to "Destiny's Gate" and considers it a sensitive spot on the chart.

Then there is this previous Lindaland link:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009480.html


Contributors to this thread suggest the Vertex Axis person is sensitive and receptive to the planetary energy brought in by the other person.

If we accept that, and it certainly makes sense to me, then the answer to your question is that the Vertex person is reponsive to the other person's Venusian energy. It's a spiritual link.

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posted March 18, 2008 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey GG,

From all that I've read about the Vertex, it's a sensitive point that brings people and events into your life when activated by a transit.

If her birth time is correct and your Venus is conjunct, then it seems to indicate that with the right transit, a romantic relationship could start w/ her...or the transit has already happened and that's why you're into her now.

Check out the transits for when you met or started noticing her.

Here's more info. http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm

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posted March 18, 2008 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EighthMoon, thanks! And thanks to everyone else for replying too!

Here is another question. How fast does the vertex move through the sky? I mean, how fast does it change? Once an hour? Once a day? Etc?

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posted March 18, 2008 11:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It moves faster than the Ascendant, so it really doesn't make any sense to use it on a hypothetical synastry chart. If your guess is more than ~5minutes off, it's useless.

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How fast does the vertex move through the sky

Vertex is a theoretical point.

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posted March 18, 2008 11:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pretty sure the vertex moves at the same speed as all the angles (ASC, MC, etc). Which change every few mins as the earth rotates. It is no more theoretical than the ASC and MC which are calculated from various intersections of the meridian, ecliptic, prime vertical and other theoretical lines around the earth. It may be less fundamental in interpretation but all these points are calculated and do not have planetary bodies to signify their existence.

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posted March 18, 2008 12:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It is easy to see the speed of the Vertex relative to the Ascendant in that if they moved at the same speed they would always be in opposition. The Vertex travels (at very rough averaging) about 10 degrees per hour through the Zodiacal signs and at about 3 degrees per hour through the astrological houses."

My English isn't good enough for me to talk about this in more detail, and it could be that we're talking about slightly different things here, but it doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't use Vertex unless you know the birth time.

And by saying it is a theoretical point I meant that it doesn't physically travel up there in the sky, that's all.

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posted March 18, 2008 12:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. So the vertex travels faster than the ASC.
My understanding was that all these points move at the speed the earth moves bec they are calculated in relation to the earth. The only thing moving is the earth so they all should move at the same rate.

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posted March 18, 2008 01:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that these energy placements like Vertex, Lilith, AC, DC etc have a more powerful influence because the matter doesn't exist, it is only concentrated energy. I completly agree with that.

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posted March 18, 2008 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked the rate of travel of my Ascendant,Midheaven,and Vertex at the moment of my birth

according to my Solar Fire:

Ascendant - 293'01 per day
Midheaven average 337'38 per day
Vertex average 653'04 per day

yep. Vertex moved almost twice as fast as the Midheaven

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posted March 18, 2008 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I've read that these energy placements like Vertex, Lilith, AC, DC etc have a more powerful influence because the matter doesn't exist, it is only concentrated energy. I completly agree with that."

That can be said about the Nodes and Perigree/Apogee axis,Perihelion/Aphelion axis. BTW...Black Moon Lilith is the Lunar Apogee and the opposite point is the the Lunar Perigree. The Lunar Perigree/Apogee axis is based on the distance of the points of the Moon's orbit from the Earth. Gee is the suffix for Geocentric aka Earth Center. Perihelion/Aphelion is based on distnace of the point of an objects orbit from the Sun. Helion is the suffix for Heliocentric aka Earth

Nodes are when orbital planes of 2 objects are in intersection. Picture 2 hula hoops entwined spinning together.

The Ascendant/Descendant axis,Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis,and Vertex/Antivertex axis are like nodes as they are based on intersections between 2 planes.

The Vertex/AntiVertex axis is the intersection of the Prime Vertical and Ecliptic

The Ascendant/Descendant axis is the intersection of the Horizon and Ecliptic

The Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis is the intersection of the Meridian and Ecliptic


The Solstices and Equinoxes are based on the intersection of the celestial equator and ecliptic.


The Equinoxes are the Nodes of the ecliptic plane to the celestial equator.


a good discussion about interfaces by Michael Erlewine,creator of Matrix Astrology software

"Astrology is all about nodes. Nodes are sensitive points in the natal chart that can be interpreted. Obvious examples of nodes are the Nodes of the Moon. The Ascendant, Midheaven, Vertex and other sensitive horoscope points are nodes. The traditional twelve House Cusps are also nodes. Since most astrologers do not consider latitude when calculating aspects, even aspects are nodes.
We may be familiar with the above nodes, but what about planetary nodes? What are they?"

"I was interested to note that astrologers devote their attention to the zodiac or ecliptic, but seem to pay little or no attention to these other planes: the Horizon, Prime Vertical, and Celestial Equator. Astrologers seem not to grasp or care that points such as the Ascendant, MC, Vertex, etc. are not zodiac points alone, but are nodes representing the intersection of the zodiac with some other great plane. In fact, it takes two independent planes to create a node. This important fact seems to have been lost in modern astrology." http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/Interface-Planetary-Nodes/3931-Interface

I have Michael Erlewine's book,PLANETARY NODE INTERFACES, and it's rather abstract and so hard for me to understand. I'd need visual aids like videos for me to understand what he wrote in that book.


here is stuff on Visual Astrology http://www.astrologysoftware.com/resources/vastrology/vastrology.asp?orig=


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posted March 18, 2008 07:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I very much agree with the notion that all the points need to be seen as axes. Thats why basing the house system on the MC as the 10th house cusp seems inappropriate to me as there are other critical axes which are not structurally part of the house system.

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posted March 18, 2008 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dated a girl last summer where my sun and merc conjuncted her vertex 2 and 1 degrees respectively. Our composite sun also conjuncted the vertex with 1 degree. How does astrology say I affected her? Our birth info. 6-15-78 @ 11:27 am EDT in new jersey. Her's is 2-15-84 @ 12:05 am EST in new jersey.

Though we broke it off, she still calls me all the time. I feel as if she made some changes in her life, we could give it another shot.
My mistake, the composite did not conjunct the sun, it was merc.

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posted July 14, 2012 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgogirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His vertex in conjunction to my venus in leo@0.00
But my saturn in cancer conjuncts his NN in cancer @0.00
Any chance thus will ever get off the ground? I feel him more then anyone my entire life..

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posted November 23, 2012 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whtsursgn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by T-gemini:
I've read that these energy placements like Vertex, Lilith, AC, DC etc have a more powerful influence because the matter doesn't exist, it is only concentrated energy. I completly agree with that.

I am curious where you learned this I would like to do more research on it. I find it hard to believe that an angle could be more powerful than a planet being an angle is just a point in space and nothing magnetic about it where as a planet has a magnetic pull.
But I find it interesting enough to look deeper into your theory I am just curious where you came up with this prespective.

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