posted September 28, 2008 04:05 AM           

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Or for those who don't believe in past lives, together we're deprogramming dysfunctional and limited ways we've been before meeting one another.

I'm now going to delete our aspects because I'm feeling shy and they so well match us

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damn , should have saved them on my PC

no seriously, what u said helps understand the Pl. charts, cuz i wasnt sure ....

DD,

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What kind of story does that spell?

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posted September 28, 2008 06:05 AM           

yes, I guess you may b right about the karma-thing. Even though I didn`t want to feel or see that the first time we met.

posted September 28, 2008 01:03 PM           

I`m very sorry to hear about your loss.

posted September 28, 2008 03:17 PM         

My PL sun opposes his N moon
My PL sun conjunct his N psyche

His PL NN opposes my N DNA, conjunct my N pluto
His n NN conjunct my PL lust

His PL sun/venus/Osiris/valentine conjunct my N ASC/chiron and opposes my N vertex/eros

my PL moon/NN opposes his N juno
my PL juno/karma conjunct his N moon/mars and opposes his N psyche
his PL juno conjunct my N siva
his PL karma conjunct my PL moon/NN and opposes my N venus

HIS PL venus/osiris conjunct my PL mars/union
my PL venus/amor conjunct his PL eros, opposes his N juno
my PL venus opposes his PL siva
his PL eros conjunct my N juno/karma
His PL siva opposes my N karma/juno and conjuncts my N sun
His PL amor opposes my PL destinn
his PL destinn opposes my N chiron

posted September 29, 2008 02:25 AM         

Most of my friends think we should be together and 2 of my psychic friends believe he is my twin soul.... which i'm beginning to think too.

posted September 29, 2008 08:38 AM           

what would you make of these aspects? I mean how would I interprete them? I still haven`t a firm grasp of the meaning of Plutonics.

his pl Moon conjunct her Neptune, NN and ASC

his pl Venus conjunct her Valentine*, pl SN and pl DSC
his pl Venus opposes her pl Mars* and pl Amor

his pl Mars conjunct her Pluto and pl Chiron

his pl Neptune oppoiste her Mars* and pl Karma
his pl Neptune conjunct her DSC

his pl Karma conjunct her Valentine, Amor, pl SN and pl DSC
his pl Karma opposes her pl Mars and pl Neptune

his pl Juno conjunct her NN
his pl Juno opposes her Karma

his pl Union opposies her Juno

his pl Eros conjunct her Uranus and Union*

his pl Valentine opposite her Karma and pl Sun*

his pl Amor conjunct her MC and Pluto and pl Chiron

his Moon conjunct her pl Valentine

his Saturn opposite her pl Moon

his Pluto conjunct her pl Juno*

his NN conjunct her pl Psyche

his Valentine conjunct her pl ASC, pl Amor and pl Mars

his Chiron opposite her pl Juno

posted September 29, 2008 09:12 AM           

So your Pl.Juno needs to be restructured, and it will be so by his natal Pluto. His Pl.Venus needs to be restructured, and it will be so by your natal Valentine.

This is just one way to look at though, but it's what I thought of when venusdeindia described Pluto as the deprogrammer. I take it to mean the people are deprogramming a behavior carrying over from other lifetimes into this one, but you could also just look at as behavior from this lifetime.

posted September 29, 2008 09:56 AM           

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Pluto ensures Soul Integrity prevails: Pluto will destruct personality alliances and personality driven motivations to ensure soul's mission is attained, even at the cost of the personality life. This implies a need for letting go. The nature of the alliances destructed is a function of the location of Pluto in the astrological chart. Pluto is independent, individual, autonomous, the revolutionist, and the extremist. Pluto is of isolation and aloneness. Pluto fears not battle, war, or death. Pluto is also where, generationally, unacceptability occurs, where the antiquated must be destroyed--in the genetic / cellular patterns carried in ourselves and so in those expressed in the world.

Image of Pluto by Agostino Carracci, 1592 / Galleria Estense, Modena, Italy

Pluto works at a cellular and primordial level, with pre-birth and past lifetime issues. Pluto can invoke cellular level stored fear regarding death, transmutation, and survival issues; as well as all early childhood programming. Pluto is an "opener" and a "deprogrammer" that provides doorways for new growth and unfoldment. Pluto, lord of the underworld, brings to conscious awareness that which is hidden in the subconscious by removing that which is hiding it. Pluto-type experiences (those seemingly destructive) when worked with from this perspective can support tremendous spiritual growth.

Pluto is actually a dual planet: the Pluto-Charon System, two bodies rotating around a common point (barrycenter), in spin orbit synchronicity. Pluto has an extreme eccentric orbit and an ecliptic (orbital inclination) that is tilted 17.2° with respect to Earth's--partly why it cuts through the incarnational issues. Its rotational tilt is ~122°. The diameters of Pluto and Charon (not to be confused with Chiron) create a very slow beat frequency--part of its multifaceted astrophysical parameters responsible for undermining cellular patterning.
The key theme of sidereal Scorpio

Teaching the responsible use of creative power that governs life and death by cleaving in conflict. This is not without wounds, as the sting of the Scorpion (the harsh lessons of life) creates the transmutational elixir which falls upon the Altar of the Centaur where we make our metamorphosis (burning away our judgments, our lesser selves) and rise in a greater wisdom about our role to use the forces of life and death responsibly as co-creators of our reality; i.e., to take responsibility for our reality rather than placing blame outside of self as if we are bestowed either blessings or curses.

Consider Scorpio's theme and the Pluto-type events occurring over the last several years and what they may have been teaching humanity.

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posted September 29, 2008 02:53 PM         

His PL sun/venus/Osiris/valentine conjunct my N ASC/chiron and opposes my N vertex/eros

my PL moon/NN opposes his N juno
my PL juno/karma conjunct his N moon/mars and opposes his N psyche
(note the PL pluto/N Juno DW)

his PL karma conjunct my PL moon/NN and opposes my N venus

HIS PL venus/osiris conjunct my PL mars/union

my PL venus/amor conjunct his PL eros, opposes his N juno

posted September 29, 2008 05:56 PM         

As I understand this, it is different from Draconic synastry in the sense that Draconics show us the inherent purpose and energies of the souls of two people whereas Plutonics give us the baseline of what's going to be shifted... and by which energy/planet through which this will occur? Is that accurate?

Aspects (mostly just conjunctions included):

My PL Mercury/Vesta/Osiris conjunct his N. Mercury and Neptune and oppose his N. Lust

My PL Jupiter conjunct his N. Sun/Juno

My PL Saturn conjunct his N. North Node

My PL Neptune conjunct his N. Lust

My PL Chiron conjunct his N. Mars/Uranus and Psyche

My PL Lilith conjunct his Mars/Uranus

My PL Ceres conjunct his N. Jupiter

My PL Pallas conjunct his N. Karma* and Lilith

My PL Juno conjunct his N. ASC

My PL Amor and Eros conjunct his N. Sun/Juno

His PL Moon conjunct my N. Valentine

His PL Mercury/Neptune conjunct my N. ASC

His PL Jupiter conjunct my Sun/Venus

His PL NN conjunct my N. Ceres

His PL Lilith conjunct my N. Eros

His PL Ceres conjunct my N. Lilith

His PL Juno conjunct my N. Moon and South Node

His PL Karma conjunct my Eros and Jupiter

One of the reasons I found 'Plutonics' so compelling is that it that it underlined the patterns in our other synastry charts in alot of ways. Once again, Juno, Neptune, Mercury, Karma, his Moon, my Valentine and even the Nodes are brought to centre stage.

Would the following be accurate?

*His feeling self (PL Moon) was transformed by the depth of love I have for him (N. Valentine).
*My woundedness and repressed feminine power/deep desire to let go (PL Chiron and Lilith) are transformed by his desire for both freedom and independence (N. Mars/Uranus)

When it comes to oppositions, would the interpretation change a little? Maybe the re-structuring happens more dynamically or even organically with the conjunction and is more challenging or hard-won with the opposition??

A sort of complicated aside:
I noticed that since my PL Amor, Jupiter and Eros are conjuncting my own Natal North Node, the fact that all of these conjunct his N. Sun/Juno makes it seem that much more significant. If you add to that that in the Draconics these same 3 degrees also include his D. Descendant and his name asteroid in my D. chart (exactly on the degree of his Natal Sun) then it seems to indicate a hot spot. Since it's my NN in Scorpio which is being activated then it would seem likely that these energies/experiences/lessons are there primarily for me.

In his PL chart, my personal name asteroid, Osiris and Valentine in Capricorn do not conjunct anything in my chart natally, however, my own PL name asteroid, Psyche and Ceres do. My Dr. Mars conjuncts this point as does his Dr. Ceres. Opposing this point in Cancer is my own PL Compassion as well as his natal Valentine/Osiris/my name ast. Also in Capricorn is his N. North Node and Dr. Sun/Juno which conjuncts my N. Compassion and PL Saturn. Another intense hot spot, focused for each of us within the signs and houses in which our natal North Nodes reside.

The reason I bring up all of these aspects is not to make this more complicated, but to illustrate that a lot of understanding can come when you find the points between all of these charts where there are a pattern of repeating aspects. These hot spots seem to contain an important element about the wisdom of the relationship. If you are blending people's current life paths and personalities with karmic and soul energies and then adding what will be transformed through this, it might bring the focus of the relationship to a few clusters. At least in terms of the shared learning.

posted September 30, 2008 06:04 AM         

Welcome back...

can l ask you - is a DW of asc/planet ESSENTIAL for twin souls please?

posted September 30, 2008 06:10 AM         

Will you be around for a while please and if l put up a thread with who l think is my Twin Souls aspects with mine, will you be so kind as to have a look at it please?

posted September 30, 2008 10:30 AM           

I read the article Venus posted, and what resonated most with me was the fact that Pluto is drawing hidden issues to the surface.

So, am I right to assume that the Plutonics show, what hidden aspects of a planet are being pulled to the surface, so they can be transformed?

If it`s Juno that is aspect, does that mean that this person`s perception of marriage and serious commitment are awoken, triggerd, made conscious, drawn to the surface, and get transforme?
And all in the way the triggering planet symbolizes?

IQ,

thank you for that explanation.

So does it mean, that The Saturnian zodiac shows what we owe each other, and once the karmic debts are settled, the relationship will probably dissolve?

In my case I noticed that my Saturnian Valentine is exactly opposite that man´s Saturn, while his Saturnian Valentine is conjunct my Saturn by 2°. As this is the Saturnian zodiac I guess it`s pretty meaningful.

Does that mean we owe each other true love, the sacrificing kind?

Also, the Draconic zodiac, would it then show what themes come from a past life and will be worked through again? Is it more linked to the past AND the present / future, while the Saturnian zodiac`s purpose is to really finish karmic business?

So, the Draconic zodiac would show the clearest possibilities of an ONGOING soulcontract?

PLease correct me if I am wrong.

posted October 01, 2008 12:14 AM           

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Theoretically Pluto Zero Point, Saturn Zero Point and Draconic, all 3 may work equally
well in illustrating past life contacts.
Maybe it is
Draco for "purposeful" past life contacts.
Saturn for "karmic debt" contacts.
Pluto for "generational debt" contacts.

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hmm, i agree with ur views on draco and saturn charts but Generational debt for Pluto doesnt sit well with me. If anything i have seen unbelievable synchronicities with natal-natal, natal draco, natal-plutochart, composite-Pluto.....the permutations are endless but there are always a lot of aspects
and they dont seem generational at all.

posted July 07, 2009 04:01 AM         

Please disregard all info in this, i am either deluded or a liar and if some members say that it must be true .

I would have deleted all my posts but i cant because the usernames changes.

Nothing i have said should be taken seriously in this thread or any other thread.