posted April 19, 2008 06:30 AM           

i couldnt breathe for excitement when i made Pluto Zero Point charts for my family, frinds and SO.
it FRIGGIN Beats the DRACO

heres the thread about my parents natal comparison, they have good planetary action with great asteroids as well.
karma conjunt karma
juno conjunct juno
amor conjunct pluto
dna conjunct mars
psyche opposed karma
mercuryconjunct ceres
moon opposed karma
mars conjunct karma
venus conjunct eros
valentine conj eros
valentine conj venus
valentine opp pluto
amor conj pluto
her sun n moon fall bang on his DC.. vertex conjunct...etc.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012888.html

posted April 19, 2008 06:31 AM           

his Pl. Saturn conj Her Nat. ASC ( 2 deg)

his pl. Karma con her Her Nat. ASC 0 degrees

oe even better her pl. ASC conj Dad's nat SUN 0 degrees !!!!!

her nat. Neptune con his pl. IC

but wait it gets freakier.....

her pl. JUNO conj his pl. UNION 0 degrees

his pl. Valentine opp her nat. Sun n Moon (3 deg)

her pl. Valentine conj his natal Pluto

his nat. Moon conj her pl. DC

his pl. Sun n Chiron conj her nat Pluto

her pl Vertex conj his nat. South Node !!!!!!

posted April 19, 2008 06:32 AM           

but wait in the draco
Dads saturn at 14 Pis conj my natal Psces ASC at 16 Pis. even more dad's draco Karma conj my draco sun at 17 Pisces, which shows continuation of a karmic contract to be a male father figure.. as father or brother...
Moms draco Ceres conj my Draco Neptune,
my draco Ceres conj her natal Chiron, shows motherhood hurts we have going on.

in natal though my sun n moon conj her ASC with a 3 degree orb.

now for the Pluto Zero Point Charts. ... all aspects are ZERO degree Aspects

her pl. Moon conj my Pl. Venus

her pl. IC and pl. True Node conj my nat Karma

my pl. Moon conj her ntal KARMA....

her pl. KARMA conj my natal MOON !!!!!

that is an IRON BOUND karmic contract to be a mother to me....

her pl. CHIRON conj my pl. KARMA !!!

my pl. Chiron con her pl. Moon

these two are spot on...is spot on, we have wounded each in other so many times its not funny anymore

posted April 19, 2008 06:40 AM           

his pl. Saturn at 3 cancer conj my natal sun 0 cancer n moon at 3 cancer zero degrees.... a repetition of what shows up in the draco

his pl. Karma is at 5 cancer

his pl. Moon conj my South Node zer degrees

posted April 19, 2008 07:15 AM           

that is absolutely amazing!

So, basically this Pluto Zero chart is the same as the Draconics, just in reference to Pluto-position instead of NN?

I actually had pondered about this, too. Why not try out these zero charts for other planets, too?
But I have never had the time doing it.

I think I will have a look at the Pluto Zero chart now.

Thank you for that inspiring post!

posted April 19, 2008 09:22 AM           

quote:

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now i made their charts with Pluto as the Zero Aries Point.
heres a look.

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posted April 19, 2008 09:51 AM           

90+360-103= 16 pisces is mu draco sun.

u can do this www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

at this site, u can feed the position of ur sun in tthe first box, the second box should be zero aries and the third box be the position of ur pluto .

eg.in my case

cancer aries libra
0 + 0 + 24 = 6sag

posted April 19, 2008 01:40 PM           

I just looked at the "Plutonics" in comparision to my natal chart:

pl Sun conjunct Karma (0)
pl Mercury conjunct Karma (0)
plVenus opposite Sun and Mercury
pl Mars opposite Valentine
pl SAturn conjunct Venus
pl Saturn conjunct Isis (0)
pl Saturn conjunct Osiris (0)
pl Uranus conjunct Chiron
pl DC conjunct Valentine (0) -
pl Karma conjunct Mars
pl Karma conjunc AC (0)
pl Isis opposite Sun
pl Osiris opposite Sun
pl Chiron conjunct Pluto

I just had a very fleeting glance at the comparision with my Mum and Dad, too:

my Dad´s pl Sun:
exactly conjuncts my Mum`s Venus

my Dad`s plVenus
conjuncts my Mum`s Moon

my Dad`s plDC
conjuncts my Mum`s Sun

my Mum`s pl ASC:
conjunct my Dad`s Venus and Jupiter

comparision with my DAD:

my pl Sun conjunct his MC
my pl Sun opposite his Chiron
my pl Moon opposite his Sun
my pl Valentine conjunct his Karma
my pl Chiron conjunct his Mars - ouch
my pl Chiron conjunct his SN - double ouch
his pl Moon opposite my karma
his pl Moon opposite my pl Sun
his pl Venus conjunct my pl IC
his pl Karma conjunct my Sun
his pl Karma opposite my pl Venus

with my MUM:

my plVenus opposite her Chiron - ouch again
my plSaturn conjunct her DC
my plIC conjunct her Moon
my plChiron conjunct her Saturn
her plSun conjunct my SN
her pl Mars conjunct my Chiron
her pl Mars conjunct my pl Uranus
he rpl Saturn conjunct my pl Valentine
her pl SN conjunct my Chiron
her pl Chiron exactly opposite my pl Moon!
her pl Karma conjunct my Karma
her pl Karma exactly conjunct my plSun
her pl VAlentine conjunct my Antivertex
her pl AC conjunct my Moon

The aspects are all within 2° / 3° the most. Freaky!

posted April 19, 2008 02:18 PM           

Zero degree aspects:

my pl Sun opposite his pl Valentine
my pl Mars oposite his pl Venus
his pl Neptune oposite my Mars
his Pluto conjunct my pl Juno
his Pl SN conjunct my pl Juno
my pl Valentine conjunct his Moon
my pl Juno opposite his Chiron

1°-3° aspects:

my pl Moon oposit ehis Saturn
his pl Moon conjunct my Neptune
his pl Moon conjunct my NN !

his pl Venus conjunct my Valentine
his pl Venus conjunct my pl DC

my pl Mars ocnjunct his Valentine
his pl Mars ocnjunct my pluto
his pL Mars conjunct my plChiron

his plUranus ocnjunct my Juno

my plNeptune opposite his pl Karma
his plNeptune ocnjunct my DC
his plNeptune opposite my plKarma

my plSun conjunct his plKarma

my plAC conjunct his Valentine
my plDC conjunct his plVenus
my plDC conjunct his plKarma
*deep heartfelt sigh*

my plIC conjunct hsi plJupiter
his plKarma conjunct my VAlentine
his pl Juno conjunct my NN
his pl Eros conjunct my Uranus

Double Whammies:

Neptune / Karma
Nodes / Juno
Valentine / Karma

And the thing is, this just confirms and even intensifies the draconic connections.

In the Drac̣ we have a Venus-Karma opposition, in the tropical there is a Venus-Karma-trine and in the PLutonics we have this Karma-Valentine-DW as well as Venus-VAlentine-conjunction.

In the tropical we have a close Valentine - Valentine-opposition from Taurus to Scorpio (which is also highlighted in the composite, because Karma / Eros and Psyche / Neptune are on the same position as our natal Valentines).
And on that VAlentine - Valnetine-axis (25,5° Taurus - 27,5° Scorpio) falls:
my pl ASC - DC
my pl Mars
his pl Venus

It`s pretty amazing, especially if you take ALL the charts in consideration.
Mmh, maybe we have been lovers in a previous life (or considering the mass of hints, maybe in several previous lives), and maybe we grew too close to each other, so that we actually hindered each other`s soul-development, and therefor we had to part, but something of that loving feeling still lingers in my soul.
*sigh* At least I can feel it, everytime I see him.

posted April 19, 2008 05:46 PM           

Here it is:

Plutonic to plutonic dracos

His Pl. Venus conjunt my pl Asc (2º)
His pl venus opose my pl Vertex(2)
His pl Mars conj my pl Uranus(2º)
His pl uranus conj mt pl neptune(0)
His pl uranus opose my pl kiron(0)
His pl neptune conj my pl neptun(0)
His pl Amor opose exact my pl amor
His pl ASC conj my pl Union/Destinn(0)

Plutonic to natals

his pl sun oposes my sun(3)
his pl venus exact trine my saturn
his pl mars conj my osiris(2)
his pl uranus conj my juno(1)
his pl kiron conj my saturn(1)
his pl juno conj exact my kiron!and jup
his pl karma exat trine my siva
his pl amor eact conj my lilith
his pl Union conj my UnION(2)/DEstinn(2)!
his pl ASC CONJ MY IC(2)!!!

posted April 19, 2008 09:17 PM         

FREAKIN SPOOOOOOKY or what Venusdeindia!!!!

My gosh girl, you hit the jackpot!

posted April 19, 2008 10:38 PM         

finding this one a bit confusing so not sure if any of these are goodies but all within 2 deg.

my PL isis conjunct his NATAL neptune
my PL venus conjunct his NATAL osiris
my PL venus conjunct his NATAL jupiter
my PL moon opposes his NATAL ceres
my PL moon conjunct his NATAL osiris exact
my PL chiron opposes his NATAL chiron exact
my PL juno conjunct his NATAL juno exact
my PL sun opposes his NATAL juno
my PL karma conjunct his NATAL juno
my PL pallas opposes his NATAL pluto

his PL osiris conjunct my NATAL sun
his PL osiris conjunct my NATAL mercury
his PL osiris opposes my NATAL juno
his PL osiris opposes my NATAL karma
his PL venus conjunct my NATAL chiron
his PL vertex opposes my NATAL cupid
his PL pallas conjunct my NATAL pallas
his PL chiron opposes my NATAL osiris exact
his PL armor conjunct my NATAL armor
his PL juno conjunct my NATAL IC exact
his PL juno opposes my NATAL isis
his PL sun opposes my NATAL Jupiter
his PL isis conjunct my NATAL neptune exact
his PL isis opposes my NATAL lilith

posted April 20, 2008 10:54 AM         

This is very interesting. A person with whom I have a freaky psychic connection with has a stellium of his Sun, Uranus, and Pluto. When I put in the Pluto point, it's all conjunct my sun within 0-1 degree!

I won't list all of the other aspects right now, but DD's post had me wondering which other planet might be significant to take to the Aries point. (Hi DD )

I tried the chart ruler and the AC and WOW! I tried it with several people who are significant in my life.

I'll list the first one here.

Person one...My AC/0AriesPoint/My Chart Ruler = his sun (0 degrees)
My SUn/0Aries/My Chart Ruler = his AC (2 degrees)

PS) Love that you've unearthed one of Pluto's secrets!

posted April 20, 2008 12:53 PM           

WOW, I just checked the -nics of the chartrulers for musicman and me.

I only mention some of the more interesting connections (the chartuler-draconics = x)

my xSun conjunct his xUranus
his xSun conjunct my xMoon
my xMoon conjunct his Pluto
his xMoon conjunct my Pluto
his xMoon opposite my xJuno (0)
my xVenus conjunct his xPluto(0) (it ties into the draconics and tropical, since in all of these charts there is an aspect of his Pluto to my Venus)

his xNN conjunct my Venus
his xSN conjunct my xKarma
my xDC conjunct his xSaturn
my xChiron conjunct his Karma
his xChiron opposite my xVenus (0)
his xValentine conjunct my Pluto

his xEros opposite my Psyche (0)
his xPsyche conjunct my ERos (2)
what the...?

his xPsyche conjunct my Vertex
my xJuno conjunct his ERos
my xJuno opposite his xJuno
his xJuno conjunct my Pluto / MC

Just a few aspects...

posted April 21, 2008 09:41 AM           

maybe the "Plutonics" have the most compelling results, because Pluto also relates to Karma, as you said in your post before?
Have you tested any more synastries, and did the Plutonics give interesting results, too?

EDIT:

Out of curiosity I checked the synastry of Johnny Cash and June Carter. If there ever has been a truely (positive) plutonic relationship, then it has been this one imo.

Natally, he had a lot more connections from Plutonics to natal than she.

His Sun conjunct pl IC: his whole Self got transformed by his home?

His Venus conjunct pl Karma: a karmic relationship was in the stars for him, which would transform him

Pluto conjunct pl Moon: a hint towards his obsessions?

His NN / AC conjunct pl Juno: He was meant to marry and have a wife that would be able to transform him and give him a new life?

His MC conjunct pl Venus / Chiron:
He would be healed (Chiron) through love (Venus) and this healing would take place in public (MC), or he would meet the love that could heal him in connection to his profession

His Juno conjunct his pl Isis / Osiris:
He was meant to marry his one true soulmate?

Her Plutonics:

Her Isis conjunct pl Sun:
she would become (Sun) the archetype of the feminine, the wife and true companion and soulmate (Isis)?

Her VAlentine conjunct her pl NN:
It was her destiny, part of her lifepath, to meet her one true love?

Her Osiris conjunct her pl NN:
And this true love (Valentine) would be her true soulmate at the same time (Osiris)

Their synastry:

Attention: this one is just over the top. REally.

His pl Sun opposite her Venus

his pl Sun conjunct her SN
her pl Sun conjunct his NN
- they were probably destined to meet

her pl Sun conjunct his AC
her pl Sun conjunct his pl Juno
- she was / became (Sun) his destined (Plutonic) wife (Juno)

his pl Moon conjunct her Pluto
- she would be able to transform his emotional obessions, maybe by him becoming obsessed with or attached to her instead of other addictions

his pl Venus conjunct her Saturn
her pl Venus conjunct his Saturn
- a karmic and very lasting bond

his pl Venus opposite her Karma
her pl Venus opposite his Valentine-
I can feel love

his pl Mars oposite her Chiron
his pl Mars conjunct her Juno
her pl Mars oposite his Moon
her pl Mars opposite his Osiris

her pl Saturn opposite his Sun
- she could give him stability

her pl SAturn conjunct his pl MC
- she had a positive stabilizing influence on his profession

her pl NN conjunct his Saturn
her pl NN conjunct his Karma

his pl IC conjunct her pl Karma
- it was her Karma to build a home with him, or maybe even give him a place where he belonged to

her pl Valentine opposite his Venus*
- a Venus- Valentine - Doublewhammy!

her pl Valentine opopsite his Chiron
- healing through love

her pl Valentine conjunct his pl Karma:
- he was bound to love her

her pl Juno conjunct his VAlentine*:
- he married his true love

her pl Osiris oposite his Venus*
her pl Osiris oposite his Chiron

her pl Osiris cocnjunct his pl Karma:
- he was her destined soulmate

posted April 21, 2008 11:59 AM           

This is just awesome, I guess I will have fun analyzing the Plutonics, and they are so spot on most of the time.
I looked at the chart for friends of mine, there was not MUCH going on in the Plutonics, but there was a high emphasis on Jupiter (Moon, Venus, Mars - Jupiter), and even though this relationship is not the most romantic or passionate one, it is one where both are VERY supportive to each other who really like and love each other.

posted August 17, 2008 06:50 AM           

Looking at the plutonics with someone I feel very attracted to (the aspects marked with an * are 0°):

my pl Sun conjuncts his pl Sun and pl Moon*.

his pl Sun opposite my Mars*, Amor and pl Karma.
his pl Sun conjunct my DC

my pl Moon conjunct his pl SN

his pl MOon oposite my Mars, Neptune and pl Karma*
his pl Moon conjunct my SN* and DC*.

my pl Venus opposite his Sun* and Moon and conjunct his IC.

his pl Venus oposite my Venus and pl Saturn.

his pl Mars conjunct my Moon*

my pl Saturn conjunct his pl Juno
his pl Saturn opposite my pl Juno
- hmm a Double whammy on Saturn - Juno. Interesting.

his pl Neptune conjunc tmy pl AC

my pl IC conjunct his Saturn*, DC and Vertex.

his pl IC conjunct my Mars, NN and AC*.

his pl Antivertex conjunct my pl Juno.

his pl Destiny conjunct my juno.

his Pl Eros opposite my Moon*.
his pl Eros conjunct my pl Psyche.

my pl Psyche opoiste his pl Amor

his pl Amor conjunct my Moon

my pl Juno conjunct his Mars and Amor and oposes his Eros*
his pl Juno conjuncts my Venus*

my pl Isis and pl Osiris oppoiste his Sun and Moon and conjunct his IC.
my Isis and Osiris oppoiste his pl Venus and conjunct his pl Juno.

his Isis conjunct my pl Sun and opposes my pl Karma.

my pl Kaali opposes his pl Sun and pl Moon and conjunc this Kaali

his pl Kaali oposes my Siva*
his pl Kaali opposes my pl Sun and conjunct my pl Karma

his Pls Siva opposes my Venus
his pl Siva opposes my pl Saturn

posted August 17, 2008 07:00 AM           

my pl Sun conjunct this pl Venus
his pl Sun opposite my Venus

my pl Sun conjunct his DC and conjunc this pl AC

his pl Venus opposite my Mars (4)
his Pl Venus ocnjunct my SN and DC
his pl Venus opposite my pl Karma

my pl Mars oposite his Mars and conjunct his pl Mars and pl Juno.

his pl Mars conjunct my pl AC.

my pl Saturn conjunct his Sun* and Kaali*
his pl Saturn conjunc tmy NN, Neptune and opposes my Kaali.

my pl SN conjunct his Mars and Juno.
his pl SN conjunct my pl Vertex, pl DEstinn and pl Eros

my pl DEC conjunct his Mars and Lilith.
my pl AC conjunc this pl Juno*

his pl DC conjunct my Mars*, Amor, pl Karma and pl Kaali.
his pl AC conjunct my DC and pl Sun.

his pl IC conjunct my MC*

my pl Antivertex conjunct his Destinn
his pl Antivertex conjunct my Saturn, Vertex and Eros

my pl Karma conjunc this AC and his pl Chiron.

his pl Karma conjunct my Karma* and Kaali.

my pl Destinn conjunct his NN* and his Destinn.
his pl Destinn opposes my pl Eros

his pl Eros opposes my Juno

his pl Amor opposes my Moon and conjuncts my pl Lilith*
my pl Amor conjunts his pl Lilith*

my pl Isis and Osiris opposes his pl Osiris

his pl Kaali oposes my Venus

his pl Chiron conjunct my NN and ASC.

Oh well did you see that double whammy on Mars-DC? Or Sun-Venus?
*Sighs* sometimes I almost wished I would stumble over a new astrological technique, that would give just NO results in this particular synastry.