posted May 19, 2008 03:33 AM            

won't do it again. promise.

well, maybe.

umm - see what happens..............

sorry, can't help it - naughty aries child likes to play and have fun - put it with aquarius moon - and well, i'm just a big kid really.

posted May 19, 2008 04:18 AM            

The potential problem with Pisces (and any of the water signs, I guess) is that they understand emotions very well. They feel them strongly and understand how to emotionally impact others. So the nasty ones use that ability to hurt other people--for revenge, to manipulate, or just because.

The lovely Pisces are the opposite. They'll know just how to make someone feel better and will do that.

Pisces people, like all other people, will fall somewhere on this continuum of being kind-hearted or mean-spirited, and so will use their emotional power to heal or hurt.

Because they are so sensitive, I think some mistakenly conclude that they're more vulnerable than other people. They think that other people don't feel life's wounds as stingingly as they do, so in that way they become less compassionate toward others and unable to see past their own pain.

posted May 19, 2008 04:29 AM            

that's really interesting i think. you said:
"People of all signs can be like this, but with Pisces the emotional self-absorption is more obvious because of how sensitive they are and the impact of their cruelty is more severe because of how well they understand emotion."

and i've observed this in people - not necessarily just pisceans - but how often do you hear people who hurt others using their disclaimer that they were themselves abused in a similar way as a child? i would have thought that someone who was so greivously wounded at a young age would have compassion and understanding to the degree of pain and not want anyone to suffer these afflications in any way. but so often they are the perpetrators of the same types of offenses.

i have always wondered about that - and you have touched on that.

i've found that specifically with pisceans though - that there is that double standard - when it comes to them they think they feel that pain more than others and then they manipulate it - to win sympathy points - but then they will do terribly nasty things to others without thought.

posted May 19, 2008 04:33 AM            

Also it seems you grow into your sun sign (or ascendant or both) and it's a lifetime of being so I'm sure that some Pisces will experience the stuff that it takes to be compassionate differently to others, some may just be born with innate understanding and therefore more evolved than others.

I think that the compassion energy in Pisces Sun sign does not mean that the Pisces will easily access it to give it out to others or themselves. They could perhaps be compassionate for a cause or spend their life learning what compassion is.
Individuals are just that, individual, so therefore their experience of the Sun sign energy will be just that too.
And other factors taken into consideration like aspects made, their Moon and ascendant.
Moon or ascendant in a stronger sign may exert more influence and Pisces can be easily camoflage themselves and hide under say an ascendant sign their whole life.
If a Pisces individual is under their own deception they can remain so their whole life. Being swept up in a notion, Pretending that they are something else or creating an illusion distracting their real intention from others, sometimes not knowing they are doing so.
Pisces is a most complicated sign.

But maybe I'm over analysing.

I find myself, if I become compassionate and allow myself to be in that state for too long it needs to be rebalanced to gain status quo and indifference does this.

Pisces can be cruel definitely (look at Osama Bin Laden for one) but where is the intent coming from?

I've confused myself now lol and I'm not a Pisces

posted May 19, 2008 06:17 AM            

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but how often do you hear people who hurt others using their disclaimer that they were themselves abused in a similar way as a child? i would have thought that someone who was so greivously wounded at a young age would have compassion and understanding to the degree of pain and not want anyone to suffer these afflications in any way. but so often they are the perpetrators of the same types of offenses.

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Exactly, and I think that's one of the horrible effects of viewing one's self as a victim: If you're the victim, the other person is not, no matter what you do to them. If you're the victim, you can "justly" retaliate, and in doing so, never even see how you're now victimizing other people. So a person who gets stuck in that victim mindset, regardless of his sun sign, could be very cruel. And for Pisces, that mindset might be a more seductive one to fall into.

But here's the rub...we all have Pisces somewhere in our charts, so we all have that potential inside us.

How fitting that I have Pisces on my 5th! You hear about the girl with daddy issues mistreating boys as payback. I wasn't deliberately cruel, but there were definitely times when I was insensitive and it's taken me some work to see men in a romantic context as being as vulnerable as I am. I felt everything from them so strongly and didn't think my own actions would affect them as deeply, but they did, and I learned the hard way.

Quinnie -

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sensitivity is not a weakness but it can be used to gain understanding of someone else's weakness and used to their disadvantage.

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posted May 19, 2008 06:39 AM            

and, it is interesting that these issues that i have - are with pisceans.

i like what you have said about victims. it's true - i've never thought about it like that - but that's right - once someone is in that victim mind-frame - you're right - they can justify any action upon anyone. i've always wondered about things like that - how others think - and how they can bring themselves to do the things that they do - and that's right - once you buy into a "role" you do act from there - so a victim will justify their actions through that.

posted May 19, 2008 07:08 AM            

I am not saying we are here to walk in other's shoes, I am saying do not judge until you do so.

posted May 19, 2008 07:36 AM            

that's a very piscean reply.

posted May 19, 2008 08:35 AM            

Personally, l think Aries see right into you - suss you out very quickly and then ACT on the results.

I think Pisces is too busy swimming around you whilst popping headache pills to really see the person clearly. They might see your emotions but hey, emotional RESPONSE is not the real you anyway! It's a fragment...

so, moral of my silly post is that ARIES sees the bigger picture and PISCES is struggling to finish the jigsaw puzzle.

posted May 19, 2008 08:46 AM            

i didn't find your response silly at all. i think there is a lot of intelligence in there. what you said about pisces swimming around, etc, that was really smart - very insightful observations.

yes, by the way, aries can be very cutting.
interesting that you think aries can see straight into you. i'm like that. i have never attributed that to all the aries in my chart though. something to watch.

posted May 19, 2008 09:13 AM            

The ability to feel compassion combined with willingness to do something about it?

The Oxford English dictionary defines compassion as "fellow-feeling, or sorrow for the feelings of another."

One online source I read inluded the combination of wishing to act upon this feeling, but another seperated these as verbs.

Astrologically I think these concepts are seperate, but the Zodiac is a circle, it doesn't stop signs and start again. Aries follows Pisces and carries on its themes.

Pisces feels the pain of the world. Aries acts.

The fish is a symbol of Christianity. But after the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, came the crusades and the military religious orders like the Templars. Red crosses, far more Martial. Those days have gone, but the Salvation Army still collects money on my High Street. It is military only a symbolic sense. But they do good work with the homeless and impoverised. Compassion in thought and action.

posted May 19, 2008 09:13 AM            

Compassion brings us to a stop, and for a moment we rise above ourselves.
Mason Cooley

But a compassion for that which is not and cannot be useful and lovely, is degrading and futile.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives.
Dalai Lama

Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty.
Albert Einstein

posted May 19, 2008 10:28 AM            

Exactly what l was getting at!
Pisces does a LOT of moaning about life and Aries never moans!!!!

Peace Angel - l have been married to both a piscean and an arian so l think l know them pretty well. Also my father is an Arian and l have a packed 8th house stellium in Aries.

posted May 19, 2008 01:32 PM            

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once someone is in that victim mind-frame - you're right - they can justify any action upon anyone.

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posted May 19, 2008 01:39 PM            

Pisces Moon Dr. Martin Luther acted
His Moon squared the opposition of Mars and Saturn.

also....people with strong Neptune influences can also be rather Piscean.....same with 12th house.

I have Moon in Pisces square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini and Jupiter-Neptune in Sag myself as well as Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune in declinations.

posted May 19, 2008 04:34 PM            

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Pisces Moon Dr. Martin Luther acted

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He was a Capricorn. Of course he did. It's very difficult for Cardinal suns not to act.

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I generally like Pisces. I find them to be like the other Mutable signs. I don't think the criticism that comes from them is much different from the criticism that comes from any of the Mutable signs. They're all highly critical, and can be b@stards about it.

I was surprised twice at my current workplace to find out two men whom I had guessed were Aries were actually Pisces. One is confrontational in a socially-unacceptable way. The other was really into sports (which is sometimes an Aries trait). There are certainly aggressive sides to both of these men, but I also see the more sensitive sides. I will also admit that the first sometimes p!sses me off when he tries to sluff his work off on me (tries to take advantage of my work ethic).

posted May 19, 2008 05:01 PM              

i only know one Pisces Sun and he has a lot of Aries in him - he's made claims like "ive never felt sadness in my life" so i dont see much empathy coming from there

my mom is an Aries with a Pisces Mars which i would suppose be an important placement for an Aries.. and she has her very compassionate moments.. like i feel like at some level, she would give the whole world to me. at other levels nonetheless, she isn't afraid of being judgmental
she also has a Gemini moon (and Ive found this with a lot of Geminis) likes to attack with words - in a really raw painful way- when she can.
the Pisces parts of her that i can notice is this feeling that she is drowning in a world of emotion and feels completely helpless. the world isnt always perfect and she just seems to be sinking deeper and deeper unable to get out of the difficulties -she can be highly sensitive to the most subtle things.
she has her empathetic moments but i think her and other Pisceans sometimes think this is their great weakness- that they cannot separate themselves from their sorrows or the things they feel sorry for. she often tries to rise above it and sometimes think its her aim to become more insensitive and hard shelled to deal with the Piscean dilemna...

posted May 19, 2008 07:48 PM            

He was a Capricorn. Of course he did. It's very difficult for Cardinal suns not to act.

Exactly

But I pointed out that he had Mars-Saturn opposition squaring the Moon to......so that modified the Moon in Pisces to be more active. After all Mars is action. His Mars oppose the dispositor of his Capricorn Sun.

posted May 19, 2008 07:51 PM            

A lot of guys will act that way......try to act tough and keep their emotions hidden....or act like they don't give a damn

that includes the highly sensitive ones too......they don't want to seem weak or a sissy

I know this personally as a highly sensitive male with my Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio and Moon in Pisces square Neptune.

a lot of women like tough,strong guys.....a man's man.

guys that show more "feminine" traits aren't as attractive to them as macho type guys.