posted July 08, 2008 04:47 PM         

If you want to talk about it, mail me at Sulpicia@yahoo.com. If you don`t want to talk about it, it`s also okay.

I`m sure you don`t want to hear it right now, but sometimes love is just not enough; and if your plans in life are so different, then it probably just can`t work.
And synastry can only tell you something about the potential attraction, compatibility whatever, but it can`t really tell you what WILL happen.

posted July 08, 2008 05:00 PM         

LARA

we are here to support you and offer our arms to hugh you in this time of need.

Yes sometimes life throw us to curves we werent expecting or seeing - these are the times when we become stronger ven if we dont want to..or to face it.

posted July 08, 2008 05:15 PM         

I also found if you look to the other points of destiny Arabic, asteroid and NN this may show you what it is about.

Any change, even change for the better will always be followed by drawbacks and dicomforts.
Arnold Bennett

posted July 08, 2008 07:53 PM         

Its really tough cos we are great when together but he admitted tonight that he doesn't wanna be a dad to 3 kids and so I ended it

posted July 08, 2008 09:05 PM         

thanks for your response what is the point of truth?? are we talking asteroids here or is it more like the point of fascination (which i now forget how to calculate)?

posted July 09, 2008 01:46 AM         

Anyway, that's what I've read while surfing on the net.

I do believe in past (and future) lives.

posted July 09, 2008 03:01 AM         

Funny that you guys are talking about AP as my Chiron is conjunct it (1) in 8th house
LOL

posted July 09, 2008 04:21 AM         

actually the Draconic Chart includes both, NN and SN, since they are an axis; that`s the reason I think that the Draconic chart points as well to our past as to where we`Re going to.

Try it out; make a Draconic Chart with your SN on the Aries point and you will find that the same tropical planets and asteroids are being touched; just the aspect will be complimentary.
What is in the DRaconic chart an opposition will become a conjunction in the new SN-Draco chart.

posted July 09, 2008 04:24 AM         

approaching the Draco`s you do it in a similiar way like the tropical. Look for conjunctions and oppositions of the personal planets and asteroids.

Apart from that you know my newborn idea of the Draconics.

Maybe we could do it this way:

1. List all the Draco - Draco aspects, which would reflect the past life experiences.

2. Take those Draco-Draco aspects and see, if they trigger any tropical planets or asteroids by conjunction or opposition. Those are the "bridges" from past to present, and you can see how the present is influenced by the past.

3. See, what tropical -t ropical aspects are existent.

So you can see what is underneath the obvious tropical synastry.

Of course you will probably not find all THAT many aspects, where there is a connection on all three levels, but some may be there.

I take Paul and me as an example.

1. Draco - Draco
His Draco Venus on 18° Sagittarius is exactly opposite my Draco Lilith on 18° Gemini.

2. My Draco Lilith is conjunct my tropical Karma on 16° Gemini, which means that his Draco Venus is also opposite my tropical Karma.

3. He doesn`t have any planets or asteroids in the tropical on these degrees in Gemini or Sagittarius.
So there is no tropical - tropical aspect, that`s being triggered.

This is probably an example for some kind of a one sided aspect.

The D-Venus opposite D-Lilith would indicate some very strong attraction but also some issues with power, femininity, equality and truthfulness in our past.
Maybe a fatal attraction in a past life.

However this ONLY connects to my Karma, so I seem to be very aware of the existence of this aspect, while he is not (none of his tropical planets are triggered). And yet, his love (Draco Venus) is part of my Karma (my tropical karma); of course my encounter with Lilith is also part of my Karma, and I probably have to adress my feelings towards feminity, something that might have been triggered through my memory of a past life love with him.
But this time around I am alone in this. It doesn`t touch his conscious life; of course it`s till imprinted in his subconsciousness, though.

Or another example:

1. His Draco Psyche conjunct my Draco Sun.

2. His Draco Psyche is conjunct his own tropical Sun. My Draco Sun is conjunct my own tropical Chiron.
Of course this means that His Draco Psyche is (widely) conjunct my tropical Chiron, and his tropical Sun is conjunct my Draco Sun.

3. The tropical aspect that exists is:
His Sun conjunct my Chiron

So underneath our apparent Sun-Chiron-conjunction there`s also still a Psyche-Sun-conjunctionw orking (which is also an Osiris-Sun-conjunction, for his Psyche is conjunct his Osiris).

Possible interpretation:

1. His Draco Psyche and Draco Osiris conjunct my Draco Sun:
In a past life he was a true soulmate to me (Osiris as the sign of the best soulmate in your incarnation), who was very sensitive to me and very much in tune with me.
Of course some of this "telepathy" still lingers on in the subconsciousness.

2. However, now we can have a look what of this past experience is being carried into the present.

The Draco Osiris and Draco Psyche are conjunct his tropical Sun - so I think, this experience has formed his personality very much.

In my case it`s Draco Sun conjunct my Chiron. For some reason the personality I had in the past life has caused some deep wound in me and filled me with insecurity. Maybe the memory of that life is the wound?

His Draco Psyche conjunct my tropical Chiron is a very fragile vulnerable placement, as I sense it.
Somehow his past sensitivity towards me led to my present wound.

On the other hand my Draco Sun is conjunct his tropical Sun. SEems like we share some common traits, or let`s say something of my past personality is very similiar to his present personality, which could easily lead to a strong, too strong?, identification with each other (we have quite a lot of these same planets-connection).

3. This mixing of past and present leads to the Sun-Chiron-conjunction.
He, his creative expression and personality has become the walking image (Sun) of my wound, at least as I see it.
It`s a difficult aspect, especially since all of this is squared by my SAturn. Seems I feel a lot of karmic pain,w hich of course only leads to my spiritual growth and is for the best of my personal development.

But underneath all of this "growth-pain" there is a very delicate, sensitive, telephatic connection.
Maybe it was too good and somehow this experience of being understood so completely as only a Psyche can do led to the development of too high expectations in this life,w hich cannot be fulfilled.
And the realization and acceptance of that "un-fulfillment" maybe is the true root of my wound and of course also of my healing.

I dunno, that was my idea of an interpretation. It sounds right to me.

Maybe you could try it with one of your connection, too? And let`s see if it is true for you, too.

EDIT:
I do think that the Draconic aspects are still in "action", just on a more subconscious level.
You don´t even need to believe in past lives to interprete it this way.
DD

posted July 09, 2008 06:58 AM         

1) His Draco Moon, Valentine and Juno in Capricorn opposes my Draco Juno

=

His Draco Moon, Valentine and Juno is conjunct my tropical Venus, Isis and Osiris in Capricorn; and my own Draco Juno opposes my tropical Venus, Isis and Osiris.
There`s no planet activated in his chart this way.

So, this could mean that there has been an emotional (Moon), loving (Valentine) marriage (Juno) in the past - and the memory of that bunch of bliss still influences my perception of love (my tropical Venus) and soulmates (my tropical Isis and Osiris).
He on the other hand is not connected to that memory; it may still be in the subconsciousness, but since there is no connection to his tropical planets, I doubt that he would be aware of that.
So, again a onesided thing.

2. His Draco Venus in Sagittarius opposes my Draco Lilith.

= his Draco Venus opposes and my draco Lilith conjuncts my tropical Karma - I already looked at that aspect. But just for the record: again highly onesided.

3. His Draco Saturn opposes my Draco Mars, Amor and ASC

= this nice little bummer isn`t connected to my personal planets through conjunction or opposition, but his Draco Saturn is exactly conjunct his tropical Lilith and of course my Draco Mars, Amor and ASC are opposite his tropical Lilith.

It seems, that there is a subconscious or past life scenario at work, which makes him reject (his DRaco Saturn) a very important part of my personality (my Mars, Amor and ASC).
Somehow this rejection triggers his tropical Lilith, a fear of strong women?
So hey maybe I`m the reason he is gay? Just kidding of course.
But even though this time his planet`s are triggered, it`s not a dream-scenario, is it?

3. My Draco Venus conjuncts his Draco Pluto widely (4°) and opposes his Draco Chiron.

This one triggers my tropical Chiron, and if you allow solstice points, it`s also solstice conjunction / opposition his Draco Pluto.
SEems there`s a lot of Pluto-Chiron at work here, a lot of pain and issues of hurt and powerplay with more than a hint of obsession.
How interesting that the Pluto-Chiron that is working INSIDE his personality is being repeated by the SYNASTRIC aspects (jip, plural like in several interconnections between Pluto and Chiron).
I smell pain, deep pain. A pain, that luckily is gone now for me.

4. His Draco Lilith in Taurus opposes my Draco Saturn, Eros and Vertex in Scorpio.
Oh God no, not this LILITH again! *sighing* And does it have to be along the obsession-axis of Taurus-Scorpio?

= His Draco Lilith is conjunct his own Karma and my asteroid actor, PoM and Eros-Psyche-mp.
Don`t have to intepree this one, do I?

posted July 09, 2008 06:59 AM         

6. His Draco Amor opposite my Draco Isis / Osiris

= connects to his tropical Venus and my Draco Uranus and Draco Union. Even though this is rather wide,I count it, because the synastric tropical Venus-Uranus-opposition is rather close orbed (again along the Taurus-Scorpio-axis, exactly on my 5th and 11th house cusps).

So underneath all this excitement (tropical Venus-Uranus), there seems to be some real sympathy (Draco Amor - Draco isis / Osiris).

I think it`s interesting and fitting that there are so many one sided connection,w ith me tightly connected to DRaconic aspects that are unaspected in his chart. After all this always has been a highly one sided infatuation for me.

Oh I looked up the exact Sabians we have:

HIs Draco Isis and my Draco Sun on 16° Aries
NATURE SPIRITS ARE SEEN AT WORK IN THE LIGHT OF SUNSET.

KEYNOTE: Attunement to the potency of invisible forces, of nature

His Draco VAlentine and my tropical Isis on 09° Capricorn:
AN ANGEL CARRYING A HARP.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation.

His Karma and my PoM, Actor, Eros-Psyche-mp on 08° Taurus:
A SLEIGH ON LAND UNCOVERED BY SNOW.

KEYNOTE: The value of anticipating and preparing for expectable conditions.

His Amor and my Juno on 17° Pisces:
AN EASTER PARADE.

KEYNOTE: The capacity inherent in all great sociocultural Images to unite the members of a community in a display of excellence

his Destinn and my Eros on 21° Cancer:
A FAMOUS SINGER IS PROVING HER VIRTUOSITY DURING AN OPERATIC PERFORMANCE.

KEYNOTE: The emotional reward accompanying cultural excellence.

his Union and my 3rd house cusp on 27° Aquarius:
AN ANCIENT POTTERY BOWL FILLED WITH FRESH VIOLETS.

KEYNOTE: The importance of traditional skills and artistic values deeply rooted in man's instinctive feelings as frames of reference for man's most authentic emotions.

his Juno and my 6th house cusp on 22° Taurus:
WHITE DOVE FLYING OVER TROUBLED WATERS.

KEYNOTE: The spiritual inspiration that comes to the individual in the overcoming of crisis.

His mean Draco Lilith on my 5th house cusp on 02° Taurus:
AN ELECTRICAL STORM.

KEYNOTE: The cosmic power able to transform all the implications of natural existence.

HIs Draconic Mercury and Eros on my 12th house cusp on 22° Scorpio:
HUNTERS SHOOTING WILD DUCKS.

KEYNOTE: The socially accepted release of an individual's or a group's aggressive instincts.

posted July 10, 2008 02:46 PM         

J's Moon conjunct C's Lilith
C's Moon conjunct J's Lilith!!

Thanks

posted July 10, 2008 03:43 PM         

read VenusinGemini thread cause in the last post ive put several links about Lilith

DD,

AWESOME research you did there!

his DESTINN AND YOUR EROS...that Sabyan is really accurate isnt it?

i think Lilith is much more positive than what tradicional astrologers say:to me in every important relationship,Llilith is always trigered for both will have to look deep within and find the hidden forces ( subcouncious and powerful)that need to come into the surface for us to truly know ourselves and the other.

I noticed sth which i think is good for me and Jonnhy now that in ASTRO we can see the DRACO SINASTRY by CHART:

My DRACO IC conj his DRACO DSC -(his D.IC conj my own IC),so here is why maybe we felt so conected right away even when were strangers to one another?
And his D.IC conj his natal NN and my D.IC conj his Psyche - there´s a transposition of past onto the present,regarding conections onto the deep core of himself.

-hIS DRACO IC conj MY D.MERC -(and my D.IC conj his MERC as well) it´s interesting although not that romantic..

- my D.EROS conj his D.AC - past life great passion?And my D.Psych conj his D.ERos too..

- his D.KARMA conj his DSC exact - as my own D.IC is conj his D.DSC so im also karmicaly conected onto him as a natural committed partner?

- his D.KIron exact conj his Moon:he will be wounded/healed through his emotions/feelings in this life?My Ceres conj this Moon,so i might help him through my nurture and care.

- hsi D.ISis/Osiris conj his Venus - we´ll find out probable best soulmate through his venus energies.The Antisticia Point of his Venus exact conj my DSC.

- MY d.oSIRIS/Juno were conj his D.KIron - past life wound through marriage/masculine forces?

-My D.Isis conj my DSC - i´ll be conected to the Higher Feminie Energies through committment/be a true soulmate to the partner?

- my D.MC conj my VX - (My D.MC conj his D.AC); so again a destiny gate between us.

- Stellium of D.Mars/Valent/Karma conj my MOON - which all are conj his KIRON.So here again a theme of wouding/healing torwards this and the past life.

posted July 11, 2008 12:11 PM         

I just spent 2 hours replying and when I hit send, it all disappeared into the ethers!

I found some really incredible connections based on your theory. It's amazing! I'm going to post them a few at a time this time.

To begin...

Here are the major aspects that I have w/ the unrequited dream guy, Draco to Draco, Draco to Natal, then Natal to Natal. These are all w/i 3 degrees unless otherwise noted.

His Draco asteroid of my name conj
His Draco Jupiter conjunct
His Draco MC conjunct
My Draco Saturn (In Aqua...his 10th/my 6th)

Opposite in Leo:
His Draco Juno (his 3rd/my 12th)
His Draco Pallas (his 4th/my 12th)
His Draco IC
(and his Draco Karma...but that's a 4 degree orb)

Trine his Draco Venus (In Aries, his 11th/my 8th)
His Draco Venus conj his Draco Mars (2 deg)

His Draco Venus/Mars conjunct my NATAL Venus (3 deg/5 deg) and my NATAL DC (3 deg/1 deg)!

Maybe we were husband and wife/worked together or it was a financially beneficial/arranged marriage of sorts?

So...that means his Draco asteroid of my name, his Draco Jupiter, his Draco MC, and my Draco Saturn are conj his NATAL asteroid of his last name and his NATAL DC.

To be continued...

posted July 11, 2008 12:25 PM         

His Draco Sun (Gem, his 1st house/my 9th)
conj his Draco Merc (0 deg), his Drac Uran (0 deg), his Drac Pluto (4 deg).
These are conj my Drac Karma!(3 deg/1 deg)
His Drac Pluto also conjuncts my Drac MC/Jupiter

His Draco Gem stellium is opposite my Draco Isis/Osiris conjunction in Sag! (Remember the dream?)

His Draco Gem stellium is conj my NATAL moon in my 8th!!!

Natal to Natal…his stellium squares my moon. My Psyche conj his stellium. His Stellium trines my Sun/Moon MP. His Stellium opposes my Mercury. (I’m only listing what I can from memory with natal to natal.)

********************************************

His Draco Eros in Gem is conj my Draco Juno MC/Jupiter
This is opposite his Draco Chiron and my Isis/Osiris/IC.
This is conj his natal North Node.

********************************************

His Draco moon (Aries, his 11th/my 8th) conj my Draco Vertex.
His Draco moon/my Draco Vertex opposite
His Draco Vertex/my Draco Neptune
(Our Draco Vertexes oppose at 0 deg!!!)

posted July 11, 2008 12:41 PM         

His Draco Venus/Mars conjunct my NATAL Venus and DC!

Natal to Natal:
His Venus/Mars Cancer conjunct my MC/Jupiter/Karma in Cancer,
sextile his asteroid of my name/Jupiter/MC/my Vertex in Taurus,
opposes my natal Isis/Osiris/Giza/IC in Cap,
trines his Juno/Karma/IC/my Neptune in Scorpio
trines my Sun/Chiron/Saturn

(((Seems to me as though your theory is panning out and is also clearing up a long unresolved mystery! )))

I can't rem what I lost in terms of info, so sorry if I repeat some aspects!

posted July 11, 2008 12:55 PM         

His Draconic Psyche is opposite my Draconic Moon!

His Draconic Psyche is conj my NATAL Mars, my natal South Node, my NATAL asteroid of my name, and it opposes my natal Sun/Moon MP.

Natal to Natal:
My natal Psyche conj his sun, opposes my Mercury, trines my Sun/Moon MP, trines my NN/Valentine.
His Natal Psyche opposes my Natal Juno.

There's actually a ton more, but I've been at this for hours. My ADD is spent! LOL!

Thanks for another great topic, DD!