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Mama Mia
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posted November 02, 2008 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
I guess it feels good but yet bothers me as well..They say its my Aurua..Last night I had on heels some tight jeans and a blouse with the sleeves that fell off my shoulders and yes the men were all staring my Aurua says I am a good girl and men tend to read that..

Someone said I think it was Quinnie that men see good girls as the girlfriend type and bad girls for one night stands...These guys now days don't want girlfriends or a wife I am just so damn cute (smile) I attract the men but my Aurua screams good girl and they can't handle it..Strange stuff..

"Me personally I just just have good self respect and morals"

This is me all the way as well..

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Mama Mia
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posted November 02, 2008 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
"to me reputation is another way of manipulation, so you should not get upset and do what others expect of you, do what you feel is right"

Trust me I was raised to have my own mind to be an individual and to do what I know is right and thats exactly what I do 95% of the time..I have 1st house sun so I stand out rather I want to or not and I always am the leader..

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posted November 02, 2008 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Can't relate. Men usually see me as raunch-ass as well as personal confessional for every dark and sexual desire they've ever had in their twisted lives.
I don't mind about the confessional part.
I never got the good girl seal of approval, and for good reason. I don't flaunt my sexuality, but I can't hide it either.
I don't come across as wholesome or milquetoast in any way. Ever. Not even when I was like, 9 years old.
...and that's fine with me

The whole thing about men thinking of women in such a way of good vs. bad , i'e., one-night stand vs girlfriend wife is immature. Seriously, I'm 35 years old. If a guy thinks that way, he can go back to the sandbox. The virgin/***** complex is telling in men, and the bottom line is that women encompass BOTH within themselves. Anyone who would view a woman in either one way or another has a definite issue and will never be able to have a wholly fulfilling relationship because they want to compartmentalize someone in the same way they are attempting to compartmentalize themselves.

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posted November 02, 2008 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I think it varies on context. I'm a good girl to those who know me and as was said, it's girlfriend material. Bad girls don't get this stuff. They might be able to get favours from men of emotional closeness but at the end of the day, if you're a good girl, then you don't need those things, you can stand on your own two feet and fight your own battles. People I think do respect you for your honesty, even if it is begrudgingly. I had a lot of bad girls pick on me in the workplace because of this image of mine, they picked on me because I didn't play dirty, that I did my work, dressed smartly and was respected by my bosses. I don't care really, I've still got my reputation in tact.

Anyway, I was thinking about it a bit more and I think also think that the following things might contribute to my good girl stuff:
* Moon in Libra - makes me nice and cooperative, I don't like it when people pick on others;
* Moon in 7th - I care what people think/feel about me;
* Sun in 10th - I care about my public perception and am very aware of it;
* Sun opp Saturn - I have amazing self-control;
* Saturn in 4th - I keep family matters and personal issues private;
* Otherwise as mentioned before I have Jupiter conj my Aries ASC and also Venus in Sag/9th - I value good morals and ethics. I have high standards of myself and others and I'm kindly/generous.

I think we really should be looking to a benevolent Jupiter in a person's chart.

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aqua/scorp
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posted November 03, 2008 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
MvM I have to agree very much here..as i have recently went though a simular thing. lol The guy tells me i'm too innocent..?? I think that is such a strong word and i also think guys use this as an excuse because they simply cannot handle it meaning what they call "innocent" is simply someone who respects them self and has morals just seems to blow them out of the water as they are sometimes simply can't or don't know how to respond to it or even appreciate. Matturity and knowing what one wants also has alot to do with it. I had to tell of one of my male friends the other day because he said it also and i told him don't think that's what i'm trying to project out, it's simply just the way i am but i normally don't care what people think about me to be honest as long as i know me and where i'm going because people will only perceive you the way they want when it suits them.

I also get this from women too..me looking 5 years younger in face does not help lol
Another thing that gets my back up is people automatically make the assumption that your parents ultimately had something to do with it..My parents could not even tell me what to do and being one of five I never noticed they applied force to any of us they only pointed out right and wrong just our choice what we embraced.

I have always considered myself my own person, my own up bringing. If anything I feel like i'm the parent when comes to my parents Mum Sagitarius sun, Aqua moon, Dad Pisces sun, Aqua moon..they can be a nightmare.. >_>

"The whole thing about men thinking of women in such a way of good vs. bad , i'e., one-night stand vs girlfriend wife is immature. Seriously, I'm 35 years old. If a guy thinks that way, he can go back to the sandbox. The virgin/***** complex is telling in men, and the bottom line is that women encompass BOTH within themselves. Anyone who would view a woman in either one way or another has a definite issue and will never be able to have a wholly fulfilling relationship because they want to compartmentalize someone in the same way they are attempting to compartmentalize themselves." put very simple and bluntly

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blue moon
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posted November 03, 2008 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Aspects to the Ascendant might also be relevant to how men/people in general see you.

As a working example, mine is Scorpio with a few seconds to an exact Square to Mars in Aqua in the 3rd house. If they see me as good girl or raunch-ass they are unlikely to patronise me by telling me about it.

I know I'm a risk of sounding like Millie Tant here (cartoon), but neither cliche shows the ability to take someone seriously as an individual.



EDIT: I just read Aqua/Scorp's reply. Er, that's funny, lol, I think we feel similar on this one.

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flyin_free_70
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posted November 03, 2008 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
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Follows me where ever I go...Men so see me as innocent and pure..I am 40 years old and these guys still see me as if I am 15. I was out tonight at a party and it was nothing but ppl there from my highschool days, and I told one guy I am going to get me some wine. He says don't mess up your good girl reputation.
i am not upset about that I guess I am just babbling bc I have had a glass or two of wine..ITs just crazy this guy that I had been feeling lately told me I was like sweet polly pure bread..LOL!!! I guess men are so used to raunch ass women..I guess us good girls finish last for real...
You know, I come accross as this too. People who don't really know me see me as completely innocent and completely pure. I USED TO really worry about how I was perceived by everyone but by doing so I found I completely lost myself by being what everyone else expected of me. Over the years I've learned that being me is OK and to heck with what everyone else thinks. Don't get me wrong, I really am pretty sweet and innocent and and all that but I also have another side that few people ever see and I'm much better at being OK with showing that side of me now.

Don't worry about what everybody else thinks of you...just be you!

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Mama Mia
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posted November 03, 2008 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Hey ff: I am not worried at all this is who I am and who I will remain.. My soul is soft and would not change that for anything in the world. Ppl think I am good bc I am and its not something that I have to tell ppl they just see it..I am happy that I am this way, I set an expample for my boys to pick decent women, they won't chose a lady just like me but I am confident they will chose one with values,morals,and self-respect and thats important.

I shine and stand out amongs some of the ppl in the this real world that I live in..

I only have that good girl image as far as men goes, bc I take no **** from women ppl period..Step on my toes and you will hear my roar and ready to back it up. I have tons of Pisces girlfriends and I know I am the most forthrighteous one of them all. My skin is thicker then theirs too..I am way to direct as well..It has to be my Mars in Aries and my mercury in the 1st house..

I be trying to bite my tongue...Oh well...

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted November 03, 2008 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message

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Deliverance
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posted November 03, 2008 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
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raunch-ass

This has to be the coolest phrase ever

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GemLover
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posted November 04, 2008 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemLover     Edit/Delete Message
23 - interesting point about Jupiter. I seem to have a weird thing happening where the men who do talk to me do so very respectfully but the ones who "talk" to me from a distance are not respectful. I think men don't come up to me very often due to me sending out a "DO NOT APPROACH" vibe, which I think is my Pluto square ASC. I was told by someone I know who's son (aged around 21) said that he and his friends all think I'm "hot, but she's cool at the same time", apparently meaning that I don't appear to be slutty (thank God for that). This lady also mentioned that as soon as she met me she knew I wouldn't do anything like try to steal her bf. lol. So somehow I'm coming across as a good girl - which I am. If we're looking at Jupiter and Aries and ASC, well I'm a Sag rising with chart ruler in Aries.

Having said that, I'm not sure if it's possible for me to *look* totally innocent with Pluto square ASC (and Pluto trine Venus). I don't understand myself. Bah. Pluto is supposed to be so sexual, but for me I think it's more like an appearance of confidence that may be perceived by some as a certain kind of power. I'm definitely not a raunch-ass.

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jane
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posted November 07, 2008 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
I've had different people see me so differently, that for a long time now I've accepted it as a given that I play a small part in how someone else sees me. So much is their own prejudice and little shortcuts that they use to pigeonhole people and make sense of the world.

For example, a friend of mine is very spiritual and studies the Bible. I've known him for a couple of years. We often have religious discussions. In the middle of one recently, he laughed and said, "I have to tell you. You're so different from how I thought you were when I first met you. You'd seemed so plastic." No one has ever called me that (to my face ), so I was stunned by his word choice and asked what had made him think that. He said, "Oh you know, you had your hair pulled up and that tattoo on your neck. And you were wearing lip gloss." Wth? So apparently temporary tattoos + lip gloss = plastic to this guy. I (sort of) get what he meant, that the tattoo looked like someone being trendy. But it's his own assumption that playing around with fashion means someone's shallow and plastic. Also, he had discarded the good convo we had when first meeting and based his initial opinion on superficial things like lip gloss and tattoos...So who's the shallow one?

Sometimes I'm annoyed when people misinterpret me, but most of the time I'm amused when they get me so wrong.

But labels in general do aggravate me. I don't like the idea that people can be confined to a label that doesn't allow for any complexity. Like what you experienced with the good girl thing. That would bother me, because I'd wonder if the person sees the world and me in such black and white terms, and wants to control people by keeping them in one category. I'd probably say something like, "Good girl in public, bad girl in private" to make sure he realizes there's a good and bad girl in every woman.

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posted November 07, 2008 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
clearer image...

I am so tired of fake people...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004644.html

is it just a game to some!?

All my love, with all my heart
To ALL. ...

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Mama Mia
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posted November 07, 2008 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Get a life LS...AGAIN as I have said before this topic has nothing to do with women, strictkly about men as I said..Don't follow me around I spoke how I feel about you and anything else I was feeling..I am anything but fake..

"I only have that good girl image as far as men goes, bc I take no **** from women ppl period..Step on my toes and you will hear my roar and ready to back it up. I have tons of Pisces girlfriends and I know I am the most forthrighteous one of them all. My skin is thicker then theirs too..I am way to direct as well..It has to be my Mars in Aries and my mercury in the 1st house.."

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posted November 07, 2008 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for triplecancer     Edit/Delete Message
Mama Mia,
The same thing happens to me. Everyone sees me as good, sweet and innocent. This isn't a problem, what's the matter with being a good person? The problem is that people end up labeling me as "boring". Like, only rebels are fun. I don't agree, but I still hate it when people label me. For example, I don't really drink alcohol so people tell me "your so boring" and I answer "actually not, and I am so grateful to be able to have fun without needing alcohol".
So if suddenly I curse then people tell me "you can't curse". I just hate it when people automatically decide what you can or can't do based on impressions and stereotypes.

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Mama Mia
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posted November 07, 2008 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
"This isn't a problem, what's the matter with being a good person? The problem is that people end up labeling me as "boring". Like, only rebels are fun."

TripleCancer, girl this is what I am talking about..You hit it right on the mark, this is what I get out of that when ppl say that..

" am so grateful to be able to have fun without needing alcohol".

Yes me too, I can have a drink or not and still have the same amount of fun either way..


"So if suddenly I curse then people tell me "you can't curse". I just hate it when people automatically decide what you can or can't do based on impressions and stereotypes."

That was another issue that night..I said Sh1t and the guy says did you just curse..I was like Uh Yeah annnnddddd...

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posted November 08, 2008 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemLover     Edit/Delete Message
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But it's his own assumption that playing around with fashion means someone's shallow and plastic.

A guy who didn't really know me very recently thought it was in my best interests to let me know that "it's not all about looks". Because I didn't already know that. Obviously, to HIM my looks were a focus.

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posted November 08, 2008 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
Gemlover:

My friend Aditya would love you Lol!

One of his quarky little blog posts (its all opinion people so don't take it personally. Yes... He comes off as a sexist, Ultra-right wing gorbanite Lol! But he is actually a gentle Taurus.)

Part of emphisis bolded.

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Green makes us all ugly.

Written by Aditya Iyer.

So, environmentalists - bearded men, the hairy women, yoga types that have a cactus for pet, ones that smell like Malaysian public urinals because they do not use soap. Well, all that is changing. Pretty people are cashing on the green craze.

Bono has become a mouthpiece for environmentalist and so has Leonardo di Caprio. I mean, the aesthetic reasons to argue with environmentalists are dead, for now at least. I say for now because all these beautiful celebrities turning green, its only a matter of time before they start to ugly-fy like all the other greenies.

Liz Hurley could become one soon and stop shaving her legs, and the porn industry would collapse because Jenna Jameson would suddenly shift her preference from morning wood to wood that has leaves. I wonder if the academic theorists see the threats of this rabid environmental movement as well as I see it.

Let alone beautiful people, what about cars ? Aston Martins would be replaced with plastic golf carts. The Toyota Prius would undoubtedly become the next S-Class and the G-Wiz would be the perfect replacement for your VolksWagen. What will become of gas stations ? They are ugly to begin with, so I guess the 'mentalists will keep those, as watering holes, electric charge stations, may be ?

Don't even get me started on turbines and solar panels. Say, you worked hard and made a lot of money and bought that nice place by the water front with a fantastic view of the bay and the sail boats and pretty girls on sand. If everyone decided to jump on this environmental bandwagon - well sir, that view is gone. What you will get instead is windmills whiring every hour of the day, not only have they robbed you off the visuals, they will also give you a tumor in your inner ear. And to make matters worse, your balcony will become as mossy as the Scottish country side because of all that wind and moisture barrier thing that wind-mills supposedely violate.

Oh, right. And if you live in the suburbs, Scarborough for example, your back yard will be covered in a big glass box, so that you can grow your own bananas, and your roof will be covered in big solar panels, detailed after none other than the flooring of your neighborhood gay bar. Airplanes will be gone, roads will be left to crack till dandelions can grow on them, cats will run amock and by the time you are half way through the day, an extinct species will somehow regenerate itself in the Himalayan foothills and thank you.

Yes, the skies will be blue, but you will not see any of it - because, of course, you will not be allowed to breath out in the open. You see, each time you exhale, you let out a few Carbons or something like that which work to foul up the air and kill creatures called Polar bears that are extremely useful for the profitability of Discovery Channel and as you know the Discovery Channel is God and if God becomes poor, we are all screwed. So, we have to breath in little receptacles that work like little catalytic converters in cars and by logic, they will be tremendously heavy, so that we don't have to go out of our houses. All great progress really.

So there we are - a world where the greenies have triumphed. We will all look ugly, drive ugly cars if we drive at all, live in ugly houses, breath into catalytic converters and our idea of a Friday night would be to drink lots of rain water and urinate on our back yard tomato plants and save some ugly walruses.

Now, if you don't want any of that, there is a perfectly good alternative. Wait a few years and if this whole global warming thing doesn't work out, sue Al Gore for all the anxiety and all the time spent in cramped mini cars and smelling armpits on buses, take his money and buy yourself a Land Rover or two. There will be only one green left then - your neighbor - green with envy.


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posted November 08, 2008 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Mama Mia you must look young! I'm 45 and people think I'm about thirty-two. When I turned 40 some old woman tried to fix me up with her 16 year old grandson. this other woman on the train and I just laughed. Some people have no judgement of age and frankly we 40 year olds look great!! The oil of olay ad that depicts a hot woman in her 40s talking about her torn jean and bifocals or gray hairs got it right. We look younger, dress young, and act young.

I also think some guys are into that baby doll kinky stuff and say the weirdest things.

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posted November 08, 2008 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tori     Edit/Delete Message
I get the good girl thing all the time, I do look younger than I am, at 29 am still getting asked for id and it doesn't matter what I wear, I can be showing lots of cleavage and 4 inch heels and I'm still treated like I'm sweet, innocent and 16.I couldn't look trashy if I tried, its like some aura around me and can be annoying, wonder what aspect does it.

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posted November 10, 2008 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Gem -

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A guy who didn't really know me very recently thought it was in my best interests to let me know that "it's not all about looks".

What a nasty thing to say. I hope you set him straight and responded with, "I know! Being rich is really important, too."

Does it hurt you when people misinterpret you? Or do you find it more aggravating?

Usually, it doesn't anger me, but it does hurt me. I like to think that people are interested in really understanding each other, really getting a feel for who another person is. But when people label/misinterpret me, I feel like I'm being too idealistic in expecting people to care about understanding each other. I wonder if maybe instead of knowing me, they're more interested in knowing their own framework and where I, as an idea instead of as a person, fit in it. And when I realize that barrier and that only parts of who I am filters through it to them, in that moment I feel isolated and alone. I'm far too sensitive and idealistic about this issue.

That idealism even played a role in me picking my user name. I didn't want the meaning to be in the label. Jane Bond is a private nickname , but I went with jane b/c I wanted something plain and relatively meaningless.

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