posted December 08, 2008 10:01 AM         

I followed your suggestion and made my SN persona chart.

Check this out:

Did you see that conjunction of Karma, Venus and Kaali on the ASC?

Also the ASC is only 0°10 from my natal Vertex!
Maybe it means that there is a fated connection to past lives? And that those memories or connection will have lifechanging influence on me in this life?

Also, the Sabian of my natal Vertex and SN-AS is:

A YOUNG WOMAN AWAITING A SAILBOAT

It resonates deeply with me, as I have seen myself in a flashback in exactly that position, standing on the beach waiting for a sailboat that never came.

The DSC is exactly on my Sun-Moon-midpoint:
BY ACCEPTING DEFEAT GRACEFULLY A GENERAL REVEALS NOBILITY OF CHARACTER

So, in the end I had to accept that whomeever I was waiting for would not come back, and those I were waiting for were partners or people I had a close relationship with (DC).

posted December 08, 2008 10:31 AM         

the midpoint on DC?? omg lol

wow!!!

posted December 08, 2008 10:47 AM         

Choose the personna chart option, then click on DSC lunar node in the dropdown menu.

posted December 08, 2008 10:51 AM         

you can do your SN persona chart yourself.

Just choose the day, hour and minute, when the Sun (after your birth) will have arrived at exact degree, minute and second of your natal SN.

In my case my SN is on 10°09`48``, and so I calculated the chart for the moment the Sun would arrive at this degree after my birth.
However, sometimes you won`t arrive at the absolute exact second of your SN. In my case the Sun actually is on 10°09`49``, but it is the closest hit.

And yes, it definitely looks insane.

Just judging from a first look.

MC trine Kaali/Venus/Karma/ASC and Siva.
Kaali almost exactly trine Siva.

Kaali falls on the exact degree of my tropical Destinn:
A WOMAN AND TWO MEN CASTAWAYS ON A SMALL ISLAND OF THE SOUTH SEAS
(Kaali is also conjunct my SN in tropical chart).

Siva:
A rabbit metamorpohoses into a nature spirit lol

I also noticed a pretty exact conjunction of Sumeria, Isis and Jupiter.

And Mesopotamia conjuncts Valentine
- the same conjunction, only closer and in Scorpio, appears in my tropical, too!
- Mesopotamia of the SN-chart conjuncts my MErlin, Sun and Mercury, which rules DSC

The True Node of the SN chart conjuncts my Amor and Valentine.

Vertex of SN chart conjuncts my Mars, ASC, Angel, Lust and Atlantis. lol

It`s interesting, all the important asteroids (important, as they are important in my tropical chart, too) seem to be significant in my SN-persona chart, too (Mesopotamia, Sumeria, Isis, Kaali.)

I wonder if we can compare the SN-persona charts of two persons and see if they have encountered each other in a past life?

posted December 08, 2008 11:49 AM         

So l have
AC 5' aquarius
karma 5' aquarius
psyche 4' aquarius
ceres 3' aquarius
Kaali 0' aquarius

Sabian -
5-6 deg Aquarius

A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play

lol

posted December 08, 2008 11:56 AM         

ASC conjunct Vertex, Eros and Destinn
Karma conjunct Vertex, Eros and Destinn
Kaali conjunt Vertex, Eros and Destinn
Venus conjunct Vertex, Eros and Destinn

True Node conjunct Amor and Valentine

Vertex conjunct Mars, ASC, Atlantis, Lust, Angel

Valentine conjunct Sun, Mercury
Mesopotamia conjunct Sun, Mercury

Osiris conjunct Juno
Amor conjunct Juno

Mars conjunct IC

Jupiter conjunct Chiron
Sumeria conjunct Chiron
Isis conjunct Chiron

Sun conjunct DSC and Kaali (because the SN has these aspects in natal chart, too)

Juno conjunct Karma

posted December 08, 2008 11:56 AM         

I will do tonight !

posted December 08, 2008 12:10 PM         

I like your SN chart, especially that mystic rectangle and the grand trine, yumm!
Funny you have Karma on Asc, in my SN chart I have NN on Asc. Perhaps in the previous lives you burned some heavy identity karma.

quote:

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So, in the end I had to accept that whomeever I was waiting for would not come back, and those I were waiting for were partners or people I had a close relationship with (DC).

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Could be. Try to meditate on the Sabians some more and see if anything else comes up. Think about the connection with this life: do you also tend to wait for things to happen to you instead of making them happen? (you weren't born with a Sag Sun, Asc and NN for nothin' ).

Your IC is in Virgo - any Virgo countries that come to mind? Asteroids in the 4th house could also give some suggestion about where you used to live.

posted December 08, 2008 12:35 PM         

natal/persona chart
my sun trine his vertex exact
my moon/venus conjunct his saturn
my venus/AC trine his union
my mars conjunct his venus/juno exact
my pluto conjunct his valentine
my NN opposes his sun
my vertex opposes his NN exact
my isis opposes his venus
my union opposes his venus/juno exact
my valentine conjunct his moon
my AC conjunct his saturn exact
my AC opposes his sun
my IC opposes his psyche

posted December 08, 2008 01:06 PM         

"especially that mystic rectangle and the grand trine, yumm!"
Yes, there is quite something going on there.

"Funny you have Karma on Asc, in my SN chart I have NN on Asc."
I have NN on my ASC in my natal.

"and see if anything else comes up."
I reinforces that deeply felt longing of "going home", actually.

"do you also tend to wait for things to happen to you instead of making them happen?"
Yes, I guess I have been doing that for quite some time in my life.
But I quit waiting.

" (you weren't born with a Sag Sun, Asc and NN for nothin' ). "
Yes, I guess so. Also my Solar Return chart has some heavy 9th house influences, and I couldn`t help but think of a little trip I`m about to undertake next summer.

"Your IC is in Virgo - any Virgo countries that come to mind?"
What is a Virgo country?

" Asteroids in the 4th house could also give some suggestion about where you used to live."
Have to check some more asteroids then.

posted December 08, 2008 01:20 PM         

Virgo - countries

Virgo

Countries.-Turkey, Switzerland, West Indies, Assyria, Mesopotamia from the Tigris to the Euphrates, Crete, Croatia, Silesia, Babylonia, the Morea, Thessaly, Kurdestan, parts of Greece, about Lavadia, Virginia, Brazil.

And that with all these Babylonian asteroids being hightlighted so much in my natal chart!

Funny though, my tropical IC is in Aries, and Germany as well as England are Aries-countries. lol

BTW on that list London is just about 2° away from my Karma. lol

Her eis the list I found:

Aries.
Countries.-England, Denmark, Germany, Lesser Poland, Burgundy, Palestine, Syria, Japan.

Towns and Cities.-Birmingham, Oldham, Leicester, Blackburn, Florence, Naples, Verona, Padua, Marseilles, Cracow, Saragossa, Utrecht, Capua, Brunswick.

Taurus.
Countries.-Ireland, Persia, Poland, Asia Minor, Georgia, Caucasus, Grecian Archipelago, Cyprus, White Russia.

Towns and Cities.-Dublin, Leipsic, Mantua, Parma, Palermo, Rhodes,
St. Louis, Aston-under-Lyne.

Gemini.
Countries.-United States, Belgium, Brabant, Lombardy, Lower Egypt,
Sardinia, West of England, Armenia, Tripoli, Flanders, Wales.

Towns and Cities.-London (17° 54’), Plymouth, Melbourne (10° 29’), Bruges, Cordova, Metz, Nuremberg, Versailles, Louvaine, San Francisco, Wolverhampton, Wednesbury.

Cancer.
Countries.-Scotland, Holland, Zealand , N. and W. Africa, Isle of Mauritius, Paraguay.

Towns and Cities.-Tunis, Algiers, Amsterdam, St. Andrews, York, Venice, Berne, Lubeck, Magdeburg, Milan, Cadiz, New York, Manchester, Stockholm, Contantinople, Genoa, Deptford, Rochdale.

Leo.
Countries.-France, Italy, Bohemia, Sicily, Chaldea to Bassorah, N. of
Roumania, Apulia, The Alps, and parts near Sidon and Tyre.

Towns and Cities.-Rome, Bath, Bristol, Portsmouth, Philadelphia, Prague, Ravenna, Taunton, Damascus, Chicago (1st decanate), Blackpool.

Virgo

Countries.-Turkey, Switzerland, West Indies, Assyria, Mesopotamia from the Tigris to the Euphrates, Crete, Croatia, Silesia, Babylonia, the Morea, Thessaly, Kurdestan, parts of Greece, about Lavadia, Virginia, Brazil.

Towns and Cities.-Jerusalem, Corinth, Paris (29°), Lyons, Toulouse,
Cheltenham, Reading, Heidelberg, Norwich, Boston, U.S.A., Los Angelos, Maidstone, Strasburg, Brindisi, Bury, Todmorden.

Libra.

Countries.-Austria, Indo-China, China, Tibet, Borders of Caspian, Upper Egypt, Savoy, N. China, Livonia, Burma, Argentina.

Towns and Cities.-Antwerp (21°), Charleston, Frankfort, Fribourg, Gaeta, Placenza, Spires, Vienna, Lisbon, Johannesburg (27°), Copenhagen (1°), Middleton, Leeds, Nottingham.

Scorpio.

Countries.-Algeria, Barbary, Bavaria, Cappadocia, Judea, Jutland, Morocco, Norway, N. Syria, Transvaal, Catalonia, Queensland.

Towns and Cities.-Fez, Valentia, Frankfort on Oder, Dover, Liverpool,
Messina (18°), Worthing (7°), E. Grinstead, New Orleans, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Cincinnati, Hull, Milwaukee (7°), St. John’s, Newfoundland (2°), Halifax, Stockport, Newcastle, Glossop.

Sagittarius.

Countries.-Arabia, Australia, Felix, Cape Finisterre, Dalmatia, Hungary, Istria, Moravia, Sclavonia, Spain, Tuscany, Moravia, Provence in France, Madagascar.

Towns and Cities.-Avignon, Buda, Cologne, Narbonne, Rottenburg, Nottingham, Sheffield, Stuttgart, Sunderland, Taranto, Toledo, W. Bromwich, Bradford.

Capricorn.

Countries.-India, Chorrassan, Circan, Maraccan, Punjab, Afghanistan,
Thrace, Macedonia, Morea, Illyria, Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Greece, Hesse, S.W. Saxony, Styria, Romandiola, Mecklenburg, Mexico, Lithuania, Orkney Islands.

Towns and Cities.-Oxford, Port Said, Prato in Tuscany, Brandeburg,
Tortona, Constanz, Brussels, Fayence in Provence, Keighley.

Aquarius.

Countries.-Arabia, the Stony, Prussia, Red Russia, Pt. Poland, Sweden,
Circassia, Tartary, Lithuania, West-phalia, Wallachia, Piedmont, Abyssinia.

Towns and Cities.-Brighton,, Bremen, Ingolstadt, Satzburg, Trent, Hamburg, Salisbury.

Pisces.

Countries.-Portugal, Calabria, Galicia, Normandy, Nubia, Sahara desert.

Towns and Cities.-Alexandria, Ratisbon, Worms, Seville, Compostella,
Bournemouth, Farnham, Tiverton, Christchurch, Cowes, Regensburg,
Grimsby, Southport, Lancaster, King’s Lynn, Preston.

posted December 08, 2008 04:12 PM         

You know what? I looked at some more asteroid in the 4th house.
And I have BABEL conjunct BABYLON in the fourth house, along with Pluto and Uranus, all in Libra.

And the funny thing is: Jude Law also has some Sumerian asteroids in the 4th house; Sinbad and Ur, also in Libra. Uranus is in his 4th house in Libra, too, and Pluto is exactly on the Libra IC; Moon is on the end of 4th house, but already in Scorpio. lol

And yes, like in the tropical natal chart, we also have in the SN persona charts the same ASC, even though they are probably too far apart to be called conjunct (6,5°).
Both of us have the SN ASC conjunct the Vertex (in the natals, not synastry).

His SN Mesopotamia is exactly on his natal Saturn and on my SN Juno and natal Karma - all exact on 16° Gemini.

Lol

Why I am mentioning him again?
Because he is the only one, who has also Babylonian asteroids in his 4th house of the SN chart.

posted December 09, 2008 04:04 AM         

Heres my S.N