posted January 06, 2004 03:33 PM         

So, he's a Gemini with a Sagittarius moon then? Interesting. My ex had Mars in Sag and Venus in Gemini.

posted January 06, 2004 04:03 PM         

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So, stop with this "energy vibes" and things

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Transits (in my onion) is part of uni-versal law/energy and to dismiss one is to dismiss the other which brings us right back to the starting gate. Morals and ethics vibrate to a higher energy as do the stars and transits. How can you divide the two? Is all one? I`m perplexed as to how you view the transits as separate from a vibrating energy?

juniperb

posted January 06, 2004 05:21 PM         

Look instead at the spiritual aspect of the affair. Him & her made a spiritual commitment to one another. Their spirit is part and parcel of uni-versal law. So, if you, with intent, harm her in a spiritual manner, you are messing with the law. That is the vibes / energy spoken of in these posts.

While marriage/adultery is societal; the deeper commitment/promise/bonding is of the spirit. That Cookie, is what will prevert the transits no matter how well you two mesh. Free will makes or breaks us; the transits have no authority over that or uni-versal law. Uni-versal law is what allows us and the transits to be.

I am not judging, simply trying to explain that all the compatable composite transits won`t necessarly make for a happy union. My belief system is one must look at the whole picture.

I wish all three of you a path walked in love and lite.

juniperb

posted January 07, 2004 09:56 AM         

I'm not saying this to comment specifically on anything that cookie & her beau have done/are doing/will do, but mostly for those who may be lurking, contemplating the implications of all that has been posted.

My (Libra Sun, Cancer Moon, Virgo Rising) Dad cheated on my (Pisces Sun, Saggie Moon, Cancer Rising) Mom. Looking back, I'm sure that it happened intermittantly throughout the marriage (lasting 20+ years). In the end, it was this that was the last straw on the back of their union - even though the "final affair" was an on-line one...my Dad didn't think that it "counted" as there was no implied commitment, no physical consummation. He did it simply as an escape and because he had an infatuation with the idea.
Let me assure you that to both the three of us children and to my Mom, it was a betrayal. The lies and suspician that floated around that household for years and came to a head one night have forever affected the degree to which we kids, especially my sister and me, can place full trust in another. From her actions, I'm not sure that my sister will ever be able to approach respecting men, even as she hungers for their attention and approval; I love my husband more than I can possibly begin to convey, and I believe that he holds the same for me - but there is always, always a nagging biting on my mind and heart, saying, "So? Others have proclaimed Love and have betrayed; such declarations mean nothing. Never Trust, never open yourself, never let anyone in - they'll only use that vulnerability to hurt you." I'm not as sure of my little bro's reactions; his Cancer/Cappie/Cancer self can be pretty closed about such things.
The one sure thing is that we were all raised by a deeply hurt, deeply distrustful and angry woman who had lost all faith in the veracity of others. Once divorce had taken place, she raised us to "know" that life is a hard place where you can only trust in and put stock in yourself. That is what her heart had come to hold.

posted January 07, 2004 11:51 AM         

She didn't even stick around for me to thank her for giving us this platform. I believe with all my heart a few of us here grew closer together through sharing our collective experiences of dispicable acts.

Grew closer together AND got a chance to heal through purging.

Whew... what a relief!! I feel much better now.

.gloria

posted January 07, 2004 12:08 PM         

I very beautiful Asian young lady I knew was a mistress to a married man. One day he was driving her somewhere and he got into a car accident and she was thrown from the vehicle, still alive.

He panicked and sped off.

She lay dying in the street.

And yes, she died.

True story...

(a prayer for her)

.gloria

posted January 07, 2004 12:50 PM         

But I still don't trust men. Never have. There are degrees of course, because trust is something earned, not given away.

Just saying that my 'trust issues,' if you can call them that for lack of a better phrase, have nothing to do with fidelity.

Just another log on the fire. Burn, baby.

you all.

posted January 07, 2004 12:54 PM         

That's the thing about being the "other woman". You are and will always be a "dirty little secret" that must never see the light of day, and a man will do whatever it takes to make sure of that. Whatever the cost.

posted January 07, 2004 01:31 PM         

Re: trust being earned, not given: I agree, to an extent - the thing being that I'm not sure that it can be earned with me.
Intellectually, I trust Jason in a room full of nymphomaniac supermodels. He's been completely upfront, honest, and faithful; he's revelled in my preggers body and has demonstrated an ability surpassing my own for not worrying about the post-partum/kiddo period. He's been a pillar of strength for me in that regard, once I've brought my concerns to the fore. BUT I still have a very real, very visceral reaction to the thought of infidelity (very similar to his own...that's been a good point: we've been able to be understanding with one another on that point). It can't in any way be traced back soley to my parents' marriage, but I think that my apparent inability (not hesitancy) to trust may be, at least in part.

posted January 07, 2004 01:33 PM         

Enter a Taraus husband. Cheating husband from our third month of marriage. Sadly, I stubbornly figured I could succeed where my mom couldn`t. After all, I was smarter, right? 2 babies, 10 years later he was fired for an affair with the boss`s wife. Exit the husband. Raising babies alone is no walk in the park but it beats the hell out of a cheating lying husband.

I so mistrusted the male yet yearned for a commited relationship. I entered a therapy program, thru a lot of pain, trial and error of a few years then I felt ready to try again. I didn`t get lucky with my Cancer; It was work. A enormous amount of loving & working together to reach a point of trust and making a commitment. Nine years later we`re still working together and have a happy fullfilling relationship.

Don`t let any one man have the power to ruin it for you!!!! Every one has the right to be happy and trustful.

juniperb

edited cuz I k-now it`s wrong to name call . It`s his cross to bare & I shouldn`t name call or judge.

posted January 07, 2004 02:00 PM         

In a COMPLETE hysterical panic, she calls his cell phone. "...HONEY!! ARE YOU OK!!??!! WHAT'S HAPPENING?? WHERE ARE YOU???..."

And in the most calm voice in the world he replies, "Nothing's wrong honey. I'm here at the office. Why?"

posted February 10, 2005 12:17 PM         

Thx to Aphrodite for reminding me....

She was a Sag, fooling around with a Gemini, with a Sag. moon. And she clearly stated that she didn't expect him to leave his wife. Pidaua nailed that one, in the other thread, in the Astro forum.