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Zagros
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posted May 18, 2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
hello this is my 1st post here:
im a pisces guy born on 6th of march 1979
she is born on 11th of february 1983

we lived together for7-8 months then we broke
up(family against my race n culture)was a very bad
break up..we did love each other deeply but she just
wanted to run from all the problems..
then i dissapeared then reappeared on herb-day..we are
friends now..we meet at nightclubs..we dance flirt n
she tells me her deepest secrets..she likes my
attention a lot...but still insisting we would remain
friends..i will ofcourse..but i wonder what i can make
to change her mind without bieng pushy..and one more
thing..how compatible are we..our birth charts are
these:


Me:
Rising Sign is in 19 Degrees Gemini
Sun is in 15 Degrees Pisces
Moon is in 22 Degrees Gemini
Mercury is in 03 Degrees Aries
Venus is in 03 Degrees Aquarius
Mars is in 05 Degrees Pisces
Jupiter is in 29 Degrees Cancer
Saturn is in 10 Degrees Virgo
Uranus is in 20 Degrees Scorpio
Neptune is in 20 Degrees Sagittarius
Pluto is in 18 Degrees Libra
N. Node is in 17 Degrees Virgo


She:
Rising Sign is in 05 Degrees Gemini
Sun is in 22 Degrees Aquarius
Moon is in 04 Degrees Aquarius
Mercury is in 26 Degrees Capricorn
Venus is in 15 Degrees Pisces
Mars is in 19 Degrees Pisces
Jupiter is in 07 Degrees Sagittarius
Saturn is in 04 Degrees Scorpio
Uranus is in 08 Degrees Sagittarius
Neptune is in 28 Degrees Sagittarius
Pluto is in 29 Degrees Libra
N. Node is in 03 Degrees Cancer



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Randall
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posted May 18, 2004 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
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astro junkie
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posted May 20, 2004 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
What do you want to know specifically.

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Zagros
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posted May 20, 2004 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
well do u think she loved me before or didnt? and how compatible are we..what are the aspects in our relationship plz

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astro junkie
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posted May 20, 2004 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
This is off the top of my head...

You too are ahead of your time and must remove yourselves from your surroundings, to go to free surroundings in order for this to make any sense to either of you. You are soul mates, but perhaps more playful like dolphins.

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Zagros
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posted May 21, 2004 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
could u plz explain more astro_junkie?

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astro junkie
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posted May 21, 2004 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Hey -

I don't know how else to say it. If possible, you two can go to a different city together and just go with the flow.

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sthenri
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posted May 21, 2004 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Just by looking at your charts, I can see she is a really free spirited woman with no immediate interest in starting a family because she wants to have fun right now. She will require someone who has a very determined idea of life, where to live, and that kind of thing.

She needs to see a plan of action, with her Venus in Capricorn. Some stability is important too.

You have a Pisces sun and want more in the way of empathy "she ran away from the problems" doesn't sound like she is meeting your need for sympathy and compassion when you are down.

What kind of life do you imagine together? Do you think she wants that? She may on her own course right now in terms of work and family and trying to carve out her own identity. Does your future seem incomplete without a mate?

That' s a good goal for a Pisces sun but some women have a tough time believing in having a mate in the first place and are not ready to decide.

Mentally she is challenging but you need someone to hang out with and be on the same wavelength with you, you don't have to be in love everyday. Does this feel right so far?

Why did you two stop living together and why did you start living together in the first place? With a goal in mind or just for love? Venus in Capricorn feels a little unstable without a goal (marriage).

Natasha
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Zagros
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posted May 21, 2004 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
well...the story was like this:
she had a crush on me with her girlfriends for a year..then my friend dated her friend so i started dating her..the sex sucked so after summer we broke up(i saw her with another guy and didnt like the idea much)a month later we started flirting again! we talked..we are realy great in terms of attracting each other always..yet she wanted us as friends..i said fine..she started teasing me by dating my neighbour..and i teased her by dating 6-7 chicks..we both cried secretly..she went drunk at her friends place remembering me..and i wanted her back..after some months and after friends help we came back together..we lived in the same building so it was natural we lived all the time together..went great..some ups n downs..but we connected very deeply intellectual and emotional wise..we are both very open minded and we talked everything under the sun and above the stars..then the time came..met her parents..they didnt like me becuz im from a different race and religion...and we broke fast..she was harsh on me ..trying to run away..i understand its painfull for her too,..but she even said maybe it wasnt love..maybe i mistook it forn love..and that wounded me deeply..time passed and we had many stares at each other..she got ****** at me for not giving her attention and saying hello as she walks by..and i couldnt imagine her just as a friend. she kept comparing me with the guys she dated..i dunno why..never asked her to...i dissapeared for months..she thought i left and i heard she considered me her last bf(tho she had many guys after me)iam a loner by nature..i love social stuff and have many friends..but i can manage to be alone..yet she attracts me like hell..i love her deeply..when i reappeared in her life she changed..friendlier..sweeter..flirting..she wasnt at all rude..we danced flirted and she opened up with her deepest secrets to me..yet she hesitated accepting me invitations to dinner n stuff..always kept me at her own free call..now she is acting cold again..tho her friends are so sweet with me and keep giggling and teasing her when im around..i dont understand this chick..yes im emotional..yes i love sympathy but i am afree spirit myself..thats why we were together in the 1st place..so what do u think..is she lying to me trying to figure things out? or is it realy what she feels?
by the way..i started a new business and i left school for one year..im back now..she seems EXTREMELY intrested in both..especialy the school coming part..kept asking me endless..

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pixelpixie
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posted May 21, 2004 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
She is attracted to you but torn between her need for independence of thought and pleasing her parents. Her parents are wonky, to discredit her happiness over something so unaccountable and trivial. As if you choose what you look like?!
Stay on the sidelines, let her decide, and in the meantime, keep your feelings in check. You should encourage her, but stay friendly yet a bit distant.. intrigues ANY girl!! A few well placed words, to let her know that indeed she is attractive to you... but not enough that she knows for sure, and not enough that she would take your interest for granted. Then you will see what your worth is to her, when you take away jobs, parent approval, social situations. Seems like you guys had a core connection.. it made sense when you were only together, but when all life things interfered, it seemed to not stand up to the test. Sometimes giving in to that societal conditioning is a good thing.. other times, as long as it i justifiable to you and her.. the rest of the world will have to accept it.
Good luck

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miss_muffet
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posted May 21, 2004 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
Hello...

I am have just joined this forum not too long ago and is by no means an expert in astrology. But I can offer you some advise on relationship with Racial/Religious differences...

I can see that she is very much influenced by her family, and family acceptance seem to be very important to her. I think she does truly love you but is not willing to give up family approval for love.

In any love relationship, if it is going to have any chance of survival, it cannot be influenced by outside force, especially family and friends.

My advise to you, for all it is worth, is to move on and let her grow up. Because based on your write up, she seemed very immature.

Even if she does manage to go against her family's influence/approval, what guarantee do you have that she is not going to let them run your lives in the future?

The only way that this type of relationship is going to work is when both of you decide that it is important enough to forsake every one including family - basically, both of you must be willing to say to the world: We love each other and you either accept us as a couple, or you don't get to accept any of us.

I myself is married to a wonderfull man that has a racial background completely opposite my own. My family was so against our relationship when I left to start my life with my husband 6 years ago. None of my family members showed up at our wedding. They have just now started to accept that we are a couple for real.

This acceptance takes time, and if both of you really love each other, you have all the time in the world. But if not, then you are better off finding another mate.

Hope this helps and good luck to you.


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pixelpixie
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posted May 21, 2004 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Miss_Muffet,
This pixie sat on your tuffet
and liked what you had to say
About societal norms
and parental horns
We hover our wings the same way.

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sthenri
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posted May 21, 2004 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
My ex was Italian and my family is not Italian, in fact they thought he must be in the Mafia and were very rude. I loved him anyway and I'm not sorry about the devotion i gave him, but at the same time I did not feel the same respect towards my friends. So yes it does seem right that the person you love is one of those VIP's in your life and that it shows.

It really hurts to be rejected that way, but the question is do you accept her? Not the other way around. You are having feelings about her that are up and down and you can't deny it. What can you say about spending the rest of your life with her if her parents hate you? Can you take it without her support, since she just told you in actions not words that she wouldn't take your side?

If you are truly hoping that she has changed, become sweeter, then look for real changes in actions not words. Watch what she does around YOUR family, and be real with yourself about it.

In the meantime do date other girls that you like and enjoy being with, do not put yourself down or beat yourself up in any way about what you are missing with the Aqua girl. She is great but there are other Aqua girls. Do not love in the NAME of love, love a real person. Otherwise it's just about drama and you don't need that.

There are different kinds of love, and some kinds of love do not last. That's a fact, it's beautiful because it is, enjoy it while it lasts but never expect every kind of love to stay forever. Nature is changing all the time for a reason, we have to accept it, and love changes too. Enjoy the changes in your relationship and see what happens with it.

Natasha
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Zagros
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posted May 22, 2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
hello aqua..thank u for ur time..i appreciate it
well.. when i re-appeared i 1st left her a gift by her door..a painting of an orchid flower and japanese kanji writings both refering to her sign(aqua)at the night before her birthday..wanted it to be her 1st one...2 days later i went to a nightclub where we used to hang at times..saw her sister and the sis boyfriend(also an aqua lol)the sis is geminian and i have a strong geminian rising so we get along just great..and the guy looks up to me(well not literaly since he is 3 times my hight lol)they started hugging me(poked my eye in the process) and were like:great painting man! i was embaressed dunno why lol..the sis was drunk abit and she was looking at me with such warm eyes saying ssst..my sis is here..dont tell anyone lol..i saw her later..i just wished her a nice birthday and asked how she was..she was answering very friendly and smiling..she even leaned back to talk to me..she didnt ask how i was then..probably she was shocked inside to see me again..i then left..she was looking at me when i wasnt noticing..and her friends looking at me and talking with her..then days passed..i left her a flower(a bird-of-paradise also an aquarian flower symbol)and i saw her later that evening..she stared at me and we just said hello..then she looked at the ground..her friends giggling and following me once i passed by..then days later we had a talk..very friendly..very opened to me..her friend left us alone..she was smiling..playing with her hair in the way i like it(dunno if she remembers that)she was wearing a ring i gave to her with (T heart E) encraved on it..a symbol of my love..talktive,..then she started opening up to me..telling me her stuff and for a change asking how i was and hows my stuff..
what hurts me tho is after so many times(somethings happened after that talk including ups n downs..i wrote about it in earlier posts) she last told me she doesnt love me..and she probably mixed her feelings with love..then i remember the cards she sent me during our relationships and what was said n done..exactly the opposite! thats whats confusing me most

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jwhop
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posted May 22, 2004 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Zagros

Practical advice.

Never, never, never chase an Aquarius woman. You can't run fast enough to catch her. She will come to you or not at all. Attempting to examine her motives is confusing. She likes it that way and will keep her own secrets, resisting, resenting and deflecting your attempts to penetrate the fog she lays down.

Chasing an Aquarius is a kind of pressure, the kind they don't like. They don't like to be confined or feel constrained. Questioning their motives for what they say and do is equally undesirable.

You're dealing with an independent minded woman who hasn't made up her mind--yet but if there's any sign who will make up their own mind and go against the wishes of family and friends, Aquarius is that sign.

She confuses you and keeps you off balance which is not surprising considering it's part of the Aquarius mystique and don't forget she's a Gemini rising. Hard to know who will show up day to day. If you want to see an Aquarius woman smile or laugh, tell her she confuses you---but don't, not yet anyway.

Fun and friendship she understands and enjoys but clinging to her and/or keeping tabs on her, what she's doing, who she's seeing, etc., generally isn't appreciated.

You need to be cool, don't discuss her with your friends or her friends, which will get back to her via the grapevine. You need to have a life outside of your relationship/friendship with her and not be so readily available to her or for her.
When you're out with her or if you run into her, just go with it and have fun. Keep the emotional talk out of your conversations with her, or let her bring it up. Don't be surprised if she attempts to take your temperature, so to speak. Best to not open up and tell her how you really feel at that point. Time enough for that when and if she commits to you.

Just know she is comparing every guy she meets and dates to you. If she told you she loves you, she didn't say that lightly. Don't try to make her jealous. Don't be obvious and if stories about who you may be dating gets back to her, make sure the story didn't originate with you because she will probably try to find out where it came from.

You're going to have to wait which is not an insurmountable hurdle for a Venus in Aquarius type like you and there's plenty of time considering both of your ages.

These are just my opinions of course and you will judge them by how close they hit the mark considering your experiences with this Aquarius woman.

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Zagros
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posted May 22, 2004 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop
ur advice is practical alright and makes a lot of sense to me..yes ive pushed her alot.and maybe i do still tho i try my best not to..pisces is a strange sign and at times i act like a goof lol
yes ur right..when she said she loved me it wasnt something slight..and she does compare me to every guy she meets n dates..thats part of the human nature..as i do and most do..i can and will be emotionaly abit more detached..im good at that when i feel like it..but i just wanted to know what to believe..what we had when we were together..the word i love u then..or that as she said she confused all that time with love..im not a woman and im more emotionaly frank with myself than i think she is..i know that if i said the love u word..it isnt confused with anything else..anyway this is my own observation.
im starting my own business soon and im studying more..i think that will help balance stuff for me

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jwhop
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posted May 22, 2004 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Zagros

Friends first with Aquarius. You've already stepped over that line even if the line between friendship and love is sometimes blurry for Aquarius, especially at the ripe old age of 21.

If you can decide to be her friend, she will notice immediately something has changed. I think that's when she will begin to really assess what it is she wants---a committed relationship or freedom which is very high on the Aquarius list.

Good luck Zagros

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aqua
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posted May 23, 2004 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message
its nice that she was noticing u while u were not that means she is still having some feeling abot u .she still likes u but like i said she is confused.it'll take some time for her to think over it .so just wait and like jwhop said do not chase her.don't do that at all.

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Zagros
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posted May 23, 2004 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
thanx guys..especialy aqua and jwhop
yes what u said is true..but we had a bit of a talk the other day in her room..she was a bit rude and she said she was almost in a new love and stuff and that she likes tall chubby guys(lol in other words not me!) and she even wanted me outa her room..very rude..i didnt try to confide her much..i just smelt her and kisses her cheek lol..she seemed like she liked it..she even treid to peak at me when i wrote down my e-mail yet acted like she doesnt care..it realy does hurt me her rudeness..can an aqua in love act like that!? what does it mean

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aqua
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posted May 24, 2004 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message
o yes ofcourse.they just wanna show that they do not care for u and u don't mean to then anything but actually they just test u that way.they wanna know how u act to that thing.that's it.the thing u did yesterday did it right.u have flattered her (in my openion)and there in not much time for her to return.so she'll come to u very soon.
ALL THE BEST!!

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aqua
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posted May 27, 2004 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message
what's up dude??we gotta know how is it going?????????????

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Zagros
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posted May 27, 2004 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
hey aqua
well nothing new happened..havent been at her place yet..she is supposed to go to the states this summer..was supposed in 10 days and i heard yesterday from friends she will in 2-3 weeks..intresting alright
well what can i say?im sad the way she treated me last time..as if **** OFF lol
i wonder if someone in love could ever act like this..and i was wondering..do u have msn or anything more direct?

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Zagros
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posted May 28, 2004 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zagros     Edit/Delete Message
well aqua..was wondering where were u ?

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fishyfishy
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posted May 29, 2004 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fishyfishy     Edit/Delete Message
hey zagros, hows it going??

from one pisces boy to another who is going through a similar experience (with an aquarian) i may be of some assistance.

oooh just a quickie, you wanna listen to aqua and jwhop!!! they know there stuff.

not sure if this will work for you, (it did with me) but i would like to add that maybe acting a bit luvvy duvvy may not be the best approach. i always find aquarians act more positively (after you have their attention, which i think you most certainly have) if you ignore them or give em the finger. winds them up a treat. lol. be a little bad!!!
i mean, dont get me wrong, acting a little luvvy will show her what she is missing, but the latter will show her you dont give a crap too. which aquarians hate. remember she wants your attention and i think you have gave her enough of that already. (she now knows what you are capable of giving, let her miss it for a while)

instead of assuming she is the one for you, why dont you swing it around. make her work for your love. think --- "you are the one she needs not the other way around". why is she so special? and not another gal. with all the free time from not chasing her you can do your own thing and have your own activities.

I know not seeing her will hurt so much but try to imagine what she is going through too. remember pisces like to tell everyone how they feel (even strangers lol) but aquarians dont. just because she doesnt show it doesnt mean she doesnt feel for you.

but, if she needs a shoulder to cry on sometime, always be there for her as a pisces would be. keep your life a little mysterious (dont tell her everything) but most importantly be detached. for example: if any of her friends ask if you are seeing anyone just provide a little smile. let their imagination wonder and her mind will over analyse the rest.

like aqua and jwhop said if she wants you she will come get you!!! be patient and wait.

this all may sound a bit nasty but i find it works. one word of warning, dont over do it as aquarians dont like being taken for granted.

use your pisces skills against the naughty aquarian......intuition vs logic. lol

if anyone doesnt agree with what i say dont be shy to say, i dont take criticsm to heart. I may learn from it. lol.

FF

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posted May 29, 2004 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Wel;come!

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