posted January 12, 2005 09:45 AM         

If that guy and you have a Venus-Pluto opposition, I can see why you feel much better with your new boyfriend... Maybe you had a karmic debt with each other and that´s where the tension was originated... Unfinished issues... The Third Eye thing could be originated because you know each other... You are Soul Mates... but maybe not Twin Flames...

I call Soul Mates to all the souls who were created at the same time in the source... You keep finding each other from lifetime to lifetime, you help each other to grow by interacting... There are your spiritual brothers and sisters and you have many...

Then there is the Twin Flame, your other half... And there is only one. It is your own soul... You don´t reunite until you are both ready...

A conjunction Pluto-Venus is one of the signs. Sextiles or trines also point that way but you need more other signs...

That guy could well be your Twin Soul... But then the opposition probably shows you need to overcome some problems before you reunite... Maybe not in this lifetime... It could be too painful, you´d hurt each other... That pain helps you to learn... But it won´t be an easy or fulfilling relationship... When both halves are ready, the relationship flows... It´s hard work and it´s a lot of responsibility but it flows... Once the fear is overcome and all bad karma compensated...

This guy and me have no hard aspects in the combined chart... Only a couple of squares with a big orb (about 6 or 8 degrees), so they shouldn´t be taken into account... They are all conjunctions, trines and sextiles... And my Pluto and his Venus are only 4 degrees apart... Almost a conjunction... Some synastry experts say you only consider aspects with 1 or 2 deg orb... But I feel the effects of this one so powerfully that I feel Pluto is so powerful that it needs less accuracy to act... Maybe if the conjunction was exact, he couldn´t have avoided me, no matter his scorpio will or his darkest fears...

posted January 12, 2005 08:15 PM         

So, maybe a dumb question, but if you meet your twin flame, would you *definately* see a Pluto-Venus conjunct, sextile, or trine in synastry? I know the opposition and square can be tough unless one is really aware of their influence (power struggles, manipulation, wanting control, etc). My Pluto squares my guy's Venus. Ouch. But he doesn't have his Pluto aspecting my Venus. I think I have an idea now of how to handle a bad Pluto-Venus aspect in synastry because in my previous relationship, I had a Pluto-Venus opposition in synastry. And oh yeah, when Venus turned retro last year, I was hit with a Venus-Pluto opposition exactly on my asc/dsc line 3 times. Whew. That made me realize a lot about relationships overall!

So, is it the Pluto person who starts the hurt, intentionally or not?

posted January 13, 2005 01:10 PM         

About looking alike... I don´t know really... I´ve heard that before... Apparently it happens... Maybe you are right and the alikeness is a product of the soul manifesting itself through the physical body... body language, manners and reactions...

I have only had this experience I told you about... And I don´t know anybody (apart from you all, who I haven´t met in person) who has had a similar experience... Not to the same level (Quite sad, really... I suppose it´s better to know the truth even when you have to live with the loss than living a lie all your life...).

Let me think... We were not obviously similar... Not physically... Maybe the pale skin, delicate... Fair colouring... But the body language was definitely something to consider... We could talk without speaking a word... As if we had a secret code nobody else understood... It´s not only that we may well be very observant or have a gift for reading body language... It never happened again with anybody else...

It was funny once when he made a gesture through the glass window of a cafe to all of us sitting around the table and went down the street. I nodded and the other 10 people looked at me really baffled... Then I proceeded to translate that subtle gesture into several sentences, which he confirmed when he entered the place a while later... I didn´t miss any information... Since that day, my best friend started to believe I wasn´t exaggerating when I said I could read his face just to dramatise how strongly I felt for him...

Moonstar, no... I think you don´t find a Pluto-Venus conjunction necesarily. There are another signs and you need some of them together... That conjunction is a good indicator and probably won´t appear alone... Have a look to the link I gave above... You may find it interesting... There are another link inside as well... There were others, but I don´t remember where... The info is scattered all over the place...

No idea about oppositions turning into conjunctions or squares into trines...

Rakelmari, yours sounds like an interesting life! I´d love to do what you do... Spain, then Germany, then Italy... Where are you from?
Maybe, you are going to Italy to fulfill your destiny... If he is your Twin, you will be pulled together, whether you want it or not... If you have pending karma, the Universe will push you to meet once and again... You may reunite, you may not... But you may still have to do something... You are not going to Italy just to meet him, there are other reasons you don´t necesarily control... I went to the UK partly to scape from his memory, from the life he left me... And after resisting for very long, I´ve been bounced back due to reasons beyond my control and with nothing to do with him... I want to run away more than ever but I know there is no point... I strongly feel I must be here now... Maybe not for him... I´ll find out later...

posted January 14, 2005 11:54 AM         

He, he... I´ve been called firey before... Curiously by brits, never at home... I suppose we are compared to other nationalities... And yes, Italians are very similar to us in that aspect... but not the same way... This job of yours sounds like a big adventure!!! If this is the English I can speak after 4 years... You must speak Spanish like a native!

I did check on the Akanthos link, thanks... A friend of mine is going to the States in 2 weeks and I´ll try to get the book through her...

Yes, I agree, you shouldn´t get together too soon... Other experiences teach you the value of your Twin, to care for the relationship, to nurture it, to sacrifice for it... To appreciate what is worth... I´ve seen couples who could be Twins (only themselves know) and distroyed their lives together... Just becouse they came together too soon... They met being 15... So when crisis hit 20 years later, they behaved like teenagers... They had no experience... they didn´t know how special their relationship was, so they lost it in a tantrum... They didn´t know how to handle pain or what was waiting in the real world...

But sometimes those experiences knock you down, make you numb... hurt you so deeply that you become a kind of selfish creature, a wild beast ready to bite or unable to give... some experiences just drain you... I was as ready before my last relationship to love my Twin as I am now... Now I´m just more tired and hurt...

No, I hadn´t heard about that need of more soul mates reunion than ever before. But it makes sense... Even though, I think nowadays that is more difficult than ever...Look around you... People doesn´t fight for love anymore... The jump from an empty relationship to another, they just wanna have fun... Divorce rates rocket all over the world... Look at the dominant culture of superficial beauty, of worship of the youth... Souls have a hard and confusing time to reunite...

Aries-chick, I know exactly what you mean... That fear to run into him... I don´t want that rollercoaster either, not for nothing, not to be denied again... I don´t want more unnecesary pain... It feels like he´s punching me trying to escape... It´s not my fault if we are tied... So I try to avoid thinking of him... Not of any posibility of meeting him... I allow myself to remember him, I recall the past... But I never put hope in the future... The pull is too powerful and I know I can provoke things to happen...

When he was with that other woman, the one who was a common friend and spoiled our chance to be together, I wished they splitted up. I wished him to find someone else who loved him and he could love. I wished that pain to stop because I wanted him to be happy even without him... I could feel my soul burning inside, at night, in bed, praying for his soul, my tears burning my eyes...

What was very unlikely, actually happened... She abandoned him... I´m sure I pushed her away with my energy... One morning, being already abroad, suddenly a clear realisation came to me, a kind of serene certainty of the tie between them disappearing...

I felt his pain across the hundreds of miles... Don´t ask me how or why I knew, but I did... Someone told me a week or two later...

Now I have been told he is OK, getting a place with his new girlfriend... I don´t want to interfere... I´m just keeping my call quiet... I did it before because I wanted to save him... Now he´s safe... Now it´s his call.

posted February 01, 2005 12:16 PM         

Anything can happen

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posted June 29, 2005 09:26 AM         

I’ve missed you over here!!! I’m sorry to hear about your argument… I’ve been told something similar in the past “I can’t see a future for us”, and girl, that HURTS… Even when you know he is right.

Since we started talking about twin souls in this thread I have come to a startling realisation… I may have been actually wrong about that man I kept thinking of as my Twin. At that time I was going through a deep transformation (important Pluto transits), I was changing my views on life and the world…

I was wrong. He is not my Twin. I don’t feel him that way anymore. He can’t be. Someone who treats you the way he did, doesn’t love you. Twin Soul love is the ultimate kind of love. I was wrong.

A bit later, I thought I recognised someone from my past as HIM. I have a strange feeling. I know HE is coming at this point in my life even when I’m actually not sure about who he is… I’m still waiting to confirm if this old flame is actually him (Check on this link if you are interested http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001362.html ).

Have hope… He doesn’t sound as if he cares for you. He is just too selfish. He is sucking your love when he needs it. He doesn’t even treat you as a friend… You actually may find that someone else is on stock for you. I’d be glad because someone so cruel is not with you after all…

Enjoy your life in Italy. (Italian men are sooooooooo sexy!) And keep your senses open… HE can be around the corner…

posted July 03, 2005 09:26 AM         

Have you read Star Signs by Linda? In the Dejavu chapter, she talked about how to break a karmic chain… The central point is forgiveness… Do not hold resentment against him so your soul will not hurt him next time around…

I know it is hard to be deeply wounded and then forget about it. Not only forget it but forgive it… It’s hard thinking that he may be your one and you have to give up on him. That all your life will be empty of the only person who could fill it completely… Think of it as an investment… But not only that… That change of attitude could erase some bad karma and pull him back to you… His soul would recognise your wish to forgive him, of not hurting him again next time… so he can forgive you in this one…

He also can be just a Soul Mate, not your Twin… He may be a trial, some test you have to pass before you are ready for your real Twin…

But you cannot know that at this moment… The only thing you can do is waiting for the universe to react… You can start the healing process by leaving him alone while you forgive him. If he is to be with you, the universe will push him back into your life.

Now that you ask, Spain is boiling hot, especially Madrid… I can’t wait for my holidays!!! The beach is not that hot in summer…

If you want to keep in touch with me off site, I’d be very pleased!!! E-mail Randall at webmaster@linda-goodman.com and ask for my e-mail if you wish to…

posted July 15, 2005 07:13 PM         

Even though he doesn't want us to be together on the physical realm, like dating etc, he still does it in the spiritual realm. So we have been talking telepathically because he feels that it's best for us to be together in this spiritual realm. So all of what I say in this post is from our telepathic connection. And I finally found what that blue/purple color I had last posted about. It's called a 'violet flame' and is the ultimate type of energy for healing energies and brushing away bad karma. It really worked. So we've been doing that too, linking our 3rd eyes and accessing that flame and that's why I feel such peace and tranquility (as I had described before). I can't access the flame that well without him. It's just better when I do it with him.

We can't get rid of the connection. I've tried, especially when I felt my heart being broken after I realized that he was not willing to form an actual earthly relationship. I mean, it's one thing to ignore the guy by not picking up the phone or avoiding him in the halls, but it's another thing entirely when you have a 3rd eye connection and he is always just *there*! We both realized we can't break the connection, so there must be something more to this. So we put our pride and ego aside and got along. He has really opened up lately and has been researching this stuff also. We *finally* got to talking about past lives. I also got a spiritual reading from a good reader and she confirmed that we went through many past lives together, which is why we have such close feelings for each other (meaning even if we want to get rid of each other, we can't lol). And to my surprise he brought up the whole twin flame idea a few days ago and asked me if I thought we were this. I told him that I'm not sure. I sort of still have my doubts. I'm so grateful I ran across this thread at the time I did because you all helped me balance my expectations. The first time I saw him, years ago, the first thought that passed through my head was "he's not the one". It was like how some people describe when they "know" that the person they're seeing is "the one". I just "knew" he wasn't, so I took that into account also. But in our talks we are thinking that maybe in a past life long ago we were "the one" to each other because there is this state of perfection and complete satisfaction that we have always felt with each other since day 1 and it has not disappeared since.

So we've been talking about our past lives and we did tell each other we loved and cared for each other. I haven't had any access to past live images or anything like that though. It has just been through telepathic talks and the healing colors. I have come to the decision that he may be in right to put distance between us just because he has some issues he needs to deal with. So I have let him go on the terms of being with him in this life. One of the sweetest things he has said to me was that he wanted to continue on in the spiritual realm because "I want you to be the one in the next life...or we can try". I dont know if either of us have control over that, but I thought it was very sweet. So all these conversations about past lives and soulmates and stuff has been done telepathically...and though I try to push it out of my mind it does hurt sometimes because I've asked him to contact me in person and he says no, that it is better this way. So I've come to accept it over the past few weeks and am moving on finally.

So, I still don't know if he is my twin, but the close feelings are really there. I am certain he is one of my soulmates though. And it's not everyday for me to be talking to someone about past lives and spiritual matters like we have with each other. And it helps that he is a genuinely good person so he has been considerate of my feelings for the most part. We have openly discussed about chakras and the 3rd eye also, so I think we're in the path that we're 'supposed' to be, even if it's not what I wanted.

I guess I just wanted to say that I have had the same result pretty much. That it hasnt worked out for me either. The main reason is because of his decision. He has certain (big) issues he has to deal with in this life and he's not letting me in because he feels these issues would interfere too much with the actual purpose of our connection. Honestly, the feeling of "he's not the one" is enough for me because I have also grown to trust my own intuition and gifts in the past few months...because of him.

Even though I didn't get what I 'wanted', I think I ended up getting what I 'needed'. Some kind of push to move me forward in the most positive way possible and make me know myself even more than I thought I would. And this has helped me enormously. It helped me set my ego and pride aside, not attach myself, and let go of my anger and forgive. This is what it's all about. Not that it hasn't worked out the way I wanted it to or I got disappointed yet again. That it failed yet again. It's about letting go and letting it be, and that if I can keep the positive parts (or convert the bad parts to positive) of what I've gained it will be enough to move forward and meet someone who is 'right' in this life.

posted July 17, 2005 08:32 AM         

It was close to made me cry… I understand exactly what you are saying… Do you think you still have to find someone, ‘the one’ right for you in this lifetime? Or that he is that one who is not right for you now so you must wait until another lifetime? I’m sure you’ll find companions but once you have know that magical connection is not easy or fulfilling to settle for less…

At the moment I’m going through a rough patch. I don’t know if I will ever met my Twin in this life… I have had the strong feeling of him coming, a growing certainty, for several years now… But I’m getting so confused… I know his eyes through dreams, special ones that feel likepastlife recalls… But I kinda feel lost trying to identify them in the physical plane…

posted July 18, 2005 04:13 PM         

I too have a lot of retro planets (from Mars onward). I finally figured out a few days ago that I must relive my past in order to live my future, if that makes sense. I feel like I'm suddenly reliving a past life of mine with him in it. So, I'm trying to be super aware and not make mistakes that I might have made before.

I know how you feel. It's frustrating and despairing to realize that even if you are ready, that the other person isn't. Maybe you can try to keep the connection going, as friends. I know that I don't want to lose my guy completely b/c that he makes me realize things that I probably would've never realized w/o him. So even though it still hurts inside, we are remaining good friends and I try to be supportive when he has to deal with his problems.

I think I've reached a point where if I feel so empty inside without him and he still doesn't come to me in a relationship seeking context, then it may be time to detach and see if this is supposed to be a relationship or just a growth lesson. And it's really hard I know. But it's the best solution I can come up with at this time.

posted July 19, 2005 04:29 PM         

Yes, you can never know that, can you? You only can believe… Believing is a powerful thing. Desiring changes karma…

I’m so curious… How does it feel to have so many retros in your chart? I always wondered… I don’t have any!!! It feels like you guys get stuck… Stuck and trapped inside as if you couldn’t move forward… Instead of fighting, of display your power outside conquering things, you hide inside seeking wisdom in silence… You don’t experience the world the same as we do…

When I was hurt in the past, I went out to the world to do amazing things… I got a Physics degree. I travelled abroad on my own, learnt a foreign language, I dealt with a foreign culture and got my first job on my own. I worked on my image to become the sexy woman I always wanted to be. I fought and conquered. I was never scared of the ouside world, sometimes I realize how trusty and naïve, almost enthusiastically fearless, I am… I deserve the world… I grew strong fighting outside…

He stayed and lurked in the depths of his soul. He wasn’t able to get up and go. He abandoned his degree. He got a menial job, one he didn’t have to fight for at his family business. He never travelled. In an static world of monotony, so grey outside but posibly so rich inside. He knows the depths of his soul, maybe tortured and feeling inadequate… He is strikingly wise though…

He actually may be overwhelmed with my achievements, external achievements… Sparkling outer energy and confidence, so obvious and powerful… And I get so frustrated because I jump on the occasion, like a lioness, while he sits still, like a tree… So slow, so undecisive…

How does actually feel?

If we are tied in the past, which I believe we are… Why am I all direct while he is so heavily retro? Did he fail while I succesfully passed?

I’m familiar with that feeling of wanting to keep in touch with someone (in my case, my ex) even when it still hurts sometimes and it’d be easier just to let go. I still believe we can learn from each other. Plus I need to balance the karma we created, all the pain we inflicted each other needs clearing… Sometimes you just to hang on there for you own good. For the future.

I also had to let go… The lesson was learnt, all was forgiven and we no longer needed to be in touch. It was so hard that it really amazes me that I got over it… But I did and it has been one of my best achievements. I feel so proud of myself… You can do it too!…

posted July 20, 2005 06:14 PM         

"I’m so curious… How does it feel to have so many retros in your chart? I always wondered… I don’t have any!!! It feels like you guys get stuck… Stuck and trapped inside as if you couldn’t move forward… Instead of fighting, of display your power outside conquering things, you hide inside seeking wisdom in silence… You don’t experience the world the same as we do…"

I am like you, and a bit like the man you are describing. I'll see if I can explain this best I can, though I partly don't understand myself. I divided up my chart into halves so that houses 1-6 are my 'inner world' and houses 7-11(or 12, but that house is ambiguous to me) show my 'outer world'. I have the more sociable planets, and especially my Sun in these public houses. The more heavier emotional planets (like moon, saturn, pluto, mars) are in my inner world. I am like you a bit. When things get very heavy for me, I turn to my public world and achieve. If I sit there and dwell, I can't function after a while. The retros don't stop me from acheiving and being in the public eye, but they do tend to make me feel a little more uncomfortable while being there, which might be our difference. Also, I have seen that I can't just go off and conquer the world. The retros stop and force me to backtrack every few steps I take to make sure I learned what I need to and not just go off in a whirlwind of materialistic achievements (though as much as I wouldn't mind that lol). So yes, I sometimes do feel like I am stuck and not moving forward...because I am forced to go back and retrace my steps, and learn even more the 2nd time around. And all the growth must be done within, because if I succeed in public, it is only because of my growth inside. It can damper things just because of I sometimes envy people who have more materials than I do. But then, I guess I wouldn't give it back either, because I've noticed there is more maturity of life in me..and you can always lose your trophies, but you can't lose your wisdom. I've accepted it as that.

"If we are tied in the past, which I believe we are… Why am I all direct while he is so heavily retro? Did he fail while I succesfully passed?"

I wondered this myself lol. I know a friend of mine who has a lot of direct planets and I have all these retros. But I think maybe it's not passing/failing, but the difference in our approach. Yours is probably more direct while he needs to think and ponder..bc that is the only way he can learn his lessons. I know for me, if I go out and 'conquer the world', I'd lose myself. I had almost once. I need time to step back and relive my past because I easily am caught up and forget my lessons. So in order for me to not forget, I have these retros to force me to do it lol.

"I also had to let go… The lesson was learnt, all was forgiven and we no longer needed to be in touch. It was so hard that it really amazes me that I got over it… But I did and it has been one of my best achievements. I feel so proud of myself… You can do it too!"