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26taurus
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posted June 02, 2005 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Great song!!! Bowie.

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future_uncertain
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posted June 02, 2005 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Pix, I haven't seen you at all today.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 03, 2005 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for noticing!
Yes, I was here, but unable to respond.. my profile went on its own again, and I have been yet again, ressurected.

I bumped this thread, after scanning it, because of the title.
Your words are always so poignant for me...
The Inability to Accept Love.
This is so me.
I do lots of things for love, for acceptance.. yet I am raw and honest while I do them.
Some things make me proud, but a lot of things I do, I reject.
I want to throw out all these gory things, these raw and unassembled parts, these strong feelings, just to see if you will be there to try to put the parts together with me, or sweep it up afterwards..
And if you are, I will definately say thank you.. but I might not fuly appreciate.
Every once and a while, I am able to step back, and really examine these motivations.
they are both good and bad.
I want to be loved, I respond to love, I love deeply and fully.. but then therre is a very real, very large part of me reserved, and a part who is impenetrable to the same love that I desire.
That part rules with ferrocity at times.
I can see it, and I am the first to say it..
"Yes, I am pushing you away."
"No, I don't know why."
Self preservation?
Self destruction?
Anyway.. this is me.


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future_uncertain
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posted June 03, 2005 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Pix... another odd coincidence for you and me. Did you read my post from yesterday on this thread? I think once you read it you'll know what I'm referring to.

Yes... for me things are bubbling up again, too. It seems like there's an energy in me that can be neutral for a while, then there's this buildup and I need a release. I can't function until that happens. That's where I'm sitting right now, actually. Like something intense has to happen to feed this monster.

I guess I've jumped a bit off track from the initial topic, but all of these things are somehow intermingled, I think... the feelings, anyway.

Most of the people around me feel like I'm too intense sometimes, anyway. Something I've never been able to help. It's just how I am. The only Scorpio in my chart is Uranus and North Node. I don't know what that means or if it has anything to do with it. Only thing happening in my 8th house is Saturn in Leo. I don't know where this intensity comes from, but I crave it.

I'm guessing you can relate to this...

Anyway, as it is, I'm sitting at home alone right now with a hundred things to do and a complete aversion to doing any of them because they're so menial. I'd rather write a poem or engage in some *physical activity* of the naked kind.

I find this drive prevents me from doing a lot of things that I "should" be doing.

And it becomes a soul union issue when you have the need to share that with someone and no one seems to get it.

It's a connection thing or something. That unidentifiable craving, drive.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 03, 2005 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
ye-up!
It's nice to read your words and think.. hey, this could be me!
It is sort of gratifying, in a strange way.. or at least a feeling of.. Wow, I am not alone!

What I remember from your last post, yesterday, was that Saturn return thing.
We both have Saturn in Leo...

I don't know if Scorpio is exclusive to drive and passionate natures... though we definately have the reputation....
It could be any number of things,including aspects... it could be the way you were made....
Whatever it is, good for you to acknowledge it.
And.. if it matters and for whatever reason..
I FULLY understand.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 03, 2005 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
BTW~ I happen to love the name future uncertain....
It isn't negative, even if you had everything sewn up, it is still uncertain, and I see it as potential, not limitation.

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future_uncertain
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posted June 03, 2005 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Exactly! That's what I said in my post in FFA. I don't know if you read it or are just a good guesser!

The coincidence I was referring to was the day spent hanging out around Lindaland and not being able to post. Each of us for different reasons, but it was insightful for me and it seems to have been for you, too.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 03, 2005 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I had read it somewhere yesterday, when I couldn't repond, which is why I wanted to reaffirm it... I completely agree!
Have a great night!
I won't be posting much this weekend, hopefully I will be able to when I get back here!

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AcousticGod
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posted June 04, 2005 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
This song reminded me of this thread today. Ever feel this way Pixie and F_U (still cracks me up - F U)?

Criminal by Fiona Apple

I’ve been a bad bad girl,
I’ve been careless with a delicate man.
And it’s a sad sad world,
When a girl can break a boy
Just because she can.

Don’t you tell me to deny it,
I’ve done wrong and I want to
Suffer for my sins.
I’ve come to you ’cause I need
Guidance to be true
And I just don’t know where I can begin.

What I need is a good defense
’cause I’m feelin’ like a criminal.
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I sinned against
Because he was all I ever knew of love.

Heaven help me for the way I am.
Save me from these evil deeds.
Before I get them done.
I know tomorrow brings the consequence
At hand.
But I keep livin’ this day like
The next will never come.

Oh, help me, but don’t tell me
To deny it.
I’ve got to cleanse myself.
Of all these lies till I’m good
Enough for him.
I’ve got a lot to lose and i’m
Bettin’ high
So I’m beggin’ you before it ends
Just tell me where to begin.
What I need is a good defense
’cause I’m feelin’ like a criminal.
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I sinned against
Because he was all I ever knew of love.

Let me know the way
Before there’s hell to pay.
Give me room to lay the law and let me go.

I’ve got to make a play
To make my lover stay
So, what would an angel say?
’cause the devil wants to know.

What I need is a good defense
’cause I’m feelin’ like a criminal.
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I sinned against
Because he was all I ever knew of love.

What I need is a good defense
’cause I’m feelin’ like a criminal.
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I sinned against
Because he was all I ever knew of love.

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SavageScorpio
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posted June 04, 2005 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SavageScorpio     Edit/Delete Message
I know exactly how you feel girl. I've been there, but only felt that way with some certain people. One thing to keep in mind is that you have to first love yourself, and be okay with yourself, who you are, and know what it is that you want. It's so easy in relationships sometimes, atleast for me, to get so consumed that you forget about life outside of that relationship/person, and you dwell on it too much (this is why it's good to be friends a whileeee before you go into a relationship so you feel very comfortable around each other). Another thing that I've noticed is that people express their love very differently, and if it's not how you think love is expressed/shown/etc, you question it a lot. The person may love you, but they show it in ways that you don't interpret as love. Some people want/expect to hear verbally everything that their spouse loves about them, reassurance in the relationship in order to feel secure and comfortable, and others take into account the actions of a person (if he goes out of his way for you, buys you things, surprises you, etc.). Make sure your boyfriend knows why you feel the way you do, and how he can change it. Before you can accept love from anyone else though, remember, you have to love yourself first. When I feel like that I just take time alone and recuperate, get my life in order, gain more confidence in myself, etc. I don't know if I helped any, but you're not alone..and you won't always feel that way trust me.

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Azalaksh
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posted June 08, 2005 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Future, how are you doing?
You mentioned your Saturn Return -- I did a quick look-see ahead and it won't hit 16 Leo until next August (2006). Saturn enters Leo mid-July this year but it's going to do a retrograde-thing for awhile.....
'Zala

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future_uncertain
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posted June 08, 2005 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the warning!

Is it going to hurt? Will I get a sucker when it's over?

*off to do more research on Saturn return*

Thanks

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pixelpixie
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posted June 09, 2005 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
also listening and watching with great trepidation and restraint and interest

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future_uncertain
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posted June 09, 2005 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Let's hold hands!

Where is your Saturn?

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pixelpixie
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posted June 10, 2005 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
*points to her ankle.
Naw......
My Saturn is in Leo, in my first house, at 16 degrees.
Where's yours?

*moisturises her hands, so they are soft to hold*

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AcousticGod
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posted June 10, 2005 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Whatcha guys doin'?

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pixelpixie
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posted June 10, 2005 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Comparing Saturns and maybe holding hands.

I have another hand here.. whatchoo doing?

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future_uncertain
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posted June 10, 2005 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
16 Leo, here, too. Won't this be fun?! Acoustic, you can be our experienced tour guide... you've already been through it. Annnnnnnnnnd... Pix moisturized!

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AcousticGod
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posted June 10, 2005 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Pix moisturized....Mmmmm...yeah can't think about that.

Well thanks. Don't mind if I do. Wasn't sure if I'd be invited, so thanks for the invitation.

My Saturn is in Gemini at 15 degrees.

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future_uncertain
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posted June 10, 2005 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome aboard.

Pix-- is your moisturizer scented? I love smelly stuff!

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pixelpixie
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posted June 11, 2005 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
What's your favourite?
I practically have everything!

My most favourite so far is this cocoa butter/shea butter combo with coconut and chocolate combo.. it is called nut butter, and oh my Gosh, If I had nuts, I would pop them ,and I just want to lick myself.
Then again I have lavender, patchouli, tea tree, highly perfumed... whtevr your preference, I am a bit of a scent junkie.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 11, 2005 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
(I don't mean anything by this, but) I love a nice smelling woman. I used to lean over to my ex-girlfriend in the car just to smell her. Good stuff.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 12, 2005 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I get that all the time,*You smell so good!* and honestly, it is hugely important to me...
I don't overpower with scent, they have to be near me to smell me, but I have to smell nice. I will use combos depending upon how I feel...
Even if I didn't use makeup ( I LOVE playing with makeup) I would still play with fragrance.
I'm such a girly girl, but I know there are more important things.. but still, I am a little caught up in the romance of things.
*spritzes 'Givenchy Indecence' on the post before she posts it.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 12, 2005 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I can't even imagine being with a girl who isn't a girly-girl, but then I'm a romantic as well.

Not only is a matter of satisfying my senses, but in the back of my mind there's always the desire that should I ever come into having a daughter I'd like her to have a mother that can demonstrate by example looking and dressing appropriately. Is that crazy?

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kiwigirl
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posted June 12, 2005 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kiwigirl     Edit/Delete Message
I could have written this post future_uncertain. It sounds so much like me and my relationships over the years, even with my family. I still have to work really hard to overcome my inability to accept love, I am getting there though.

I found a couple of books really really great. One is called Beauty for Ashes, and the other is The Root of Rejection. Both are by a lady called Joyce Meyer. She is a christian from the states and i find her stuff really good cos she had a really abusive childhood and had to over come so many of these issues, so it sometimes feels like she is writing specifically about me... future you so deserve love and to receive it and to feel the love you are receiving. You can do it, one day at a time.

I have a saying "I'm not where i want to be, but i'm not where i used to be, i'm ok and i'm on my way!"

You're obviously a very special person and I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is something you will overcome, be gentle with yourself ok.

HUGS
Kiwi x

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