posted May 16, 2005 06:20 AM         

I take any self-exploration device seriously (I've done a bunch of the Tickle.com tests), and astrology does a good job. My profile actually notes opposing characteristics within myself that I don't know how I could explain otherwise.

posted May 16, 2005 07:27 PM         

With Astrology it's true that there's quite a bit of variation between people of the same sun sign, but people of the same sun sign have many of the same tendencies. Even when you guess a person is a different sign than they are, their sign makes sense when you look at them again.

If Aries-chick didn't like being an Aries, maybe she wouldn't have broadcast it in her name. Now she's trying to separate her individuality from her sign, but that's really an impossible thing to do. What's more, I can directly correlate her innaccurate insistance on knowing where I'm from to other Aries jumping to conclusions without the facts. If I couldn't, then this would be an isolated incident I would only attribute to her.

Now that I seem to have confirmed that indeed I have blacklisted Aries, I have to say that I've always lived with Aries. From three of them in my immediate family, to being in the Navy, to having at least two Aries roommates (this last one for 3 or 4 years now). So it's not that I can't get along with Aries, it's just that the things they get from being an Aries always annoy me.

Some nice things I've observed in Aries:

posted May 17, 2005 05:46 AM         

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Capricorns like who they like, and respect who they respect.

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Only Cappys??? I've always thoght this is universal right everyone exercises. From Aries to Pisces.

All that discussion about Aries Cappy polarity and inability to understand each other has brought up so many lovely memories about my Aries and Cappy grandparents.

posted May 17, 2005 08:07 AM         

I did like what the Taurus had to say, and most of my best friends are Tauruses. I have a lot of respect for that sign. I don't altogether agree with it, however, and I'll try to explain that as best I can coming up.

There are some things that I'm going to try to respectfully disagree with. Please realize this isn't intended as a personal attack.

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But as I progressed and learnt more about astrology and about the different people I was surrounded by at different stages in my life, I really came to realise it just isn't right, in the scheme of things, to judge a person by their sun sign or any other bias. Not only due to moral reasons, but also because the judgement made may turn out to be quite inaccurate.

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That is the PC zen approach. Some might call it Piscean or something. I don't know.

Our's not a matter that is comparable to say a racial prejudice or something. In racial prejudice the bigot unjustifiably lumps people together that actually can be opposite of one another. With sun signs we're talking about groups of people that share common characteristics, and who throughout their entire life even through their growth will continue to be examples of their own sun sign. A person from one sun sign will never be a complete opposite of another person from that sun sign. If that were possible then we'd have to re-examine Astrology altogether, because it would serve no use to us.

I'll try to illustrate:

We'll say this:

Aries sun sign people = Marines/Army
Aries characteristics = Capture, kill, or disrupt terrorists
Terrorist = Me (I'll make myself the bad guy)

For me, as the terrorist, it doesn't matter what the individual Marine's characteristics are, because I know that they are bound to capture, kill, or cause problems for me as it is part of what makes them US Marines. In the rare chance that a Marine actually goes against what his characteristics are, that's great for me as a terrorist, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Even if the Marines throws me a roast beef sandwich instead of a grenade, I'm still going to watch them closely to make sure they don't disrupt my plans for my own health and happiness, because I know it is their nature.

One note I have about this is that I don't feel Aries are out to get me personally. That's not what I meant by the example. Only
one Aries that I know of has ever intentionally tried to beat me out of something. It was a job, and he won because he was faster. It's mostly a matter of doing things in completely different ways, and me not being able to respect the judgement of the way the Aries decides to do it.

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Your initial statement was said in a shadowboxing manner and this is a public forum where everyone should be able to express their views. What offended me was the fact that I did nothing wrong. I was expressing an opinion and your reaction to it was very unexpected and unnecessary ie saying that ‘aries ppl shouldn’t judge capricorns’. It didn’t make sense to me when my initial post was not judgemental to Capricorns. I try very hard not to be judgemental to any one sign (I do slip up though). I also found it was hypocritical of you to place judgement on another sign, be that aries or cancer or leo or whatever else, while both accusing me of judging and telling me I shouldn’t due to my own sign.

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The offending remarks I made were posted almost as soon as I got here. I went to a thread asking about my sign, and I saw you commenting. I should have just let it go, but I honestly just thought, "Why is an Aries commenting on Capricorns?" In retrospect I feel a bit like an a$s, because I have lots of observations on Aries that may help someone try to understand Aries. At the time, I was just offended by an Aries talking about a Capricorn, because I feel Aries and Capricorns come from vastly different places. It was a bad thing to say, and showed poor judgement. I wish someone would have asked me if I would feel ok commenting in a thread devoted to Aries in the same way. I would have realized my screw up fairly quickly then.

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I’m inclined to believe SG is right and you meant no harm by it, though it did come across that way to me, on the receiving end.

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posted May 24, 2005 03:44 AM         

everything ok?

posted May 24, 2005 08:24 PM         

Acoustic God... this topic has now strayed way beyond its original form, so I hope you won't mind another interruption. I read one of your posts in the astro forum about the capricorn nature, and I'd like to talk with you about this if you don't mind.

I've dated a few capricorns and have always gotten along with them rather well (along with the other earth signs) even though I'm mostly fire and air. A short while back I discovered that while my ascendent is Sag (as well as my sun) my first house is ruled by capricorn. So perhaps this explains my affinity for the earthy types and some of my oh-so-unsagittarian qualities.

posted May 24, 2005 09:17 PM         

Sure, you may ask away if you like, or start a new thread if you'd like as well. There's quite a bit of air in my chart as well.

I don't know how to subscribe to the threads I want to subscribe to, but this is one of the ones I do get email notifications for.

posted May 24, 2005 10:24 PM         

Okay... a Cappy question for you. (I considered starting a new thread, but until I can find a better title than "Capricorn Discussion with Acoustic God" I'll just keep it here!)

Well, probably the biggest thing I've noticed is that I don't have a lot of the leaping before looking instincts generally related to my sign. I tend to be quite a bit more cautious than I'm "supposed" to be. I am very outgoing, in certain situations, but I've always wondered what happened to my Sag charisma. (It's my birthright, dammit!)

Do you feel like your Capricorn influences hold you back at all? I tend to feel like I'm on the sidelines a lot... like I want to join in the fun, but something stops me. But inside, I'm there.

I don't know if this would have anything to do with Capricorn ruling my first house, or if that would have any influence on me at all... it's an empty house. My sun is in the 12th, so that could be it, too.

posted May 24, 2005 11:07 PM         

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Do you feel like your Capricorn influences hold you back at all? I tend to feel like I'm on the sidelines a lot... like I want to join in the fun, but something stops me. But inside, I'm there.

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YES! Absolutely. I'm not sure what it is entirely. When I cause the fun I have no trouble, but if it's someone else's fun I don't always feel entitled to it. The good news is that Capricorns loosen up with age.

If Capricorn is your ascendant, then yeah, it is very much why you act the way you do. Your ascendant is how you appear to others, so you get to look like a Capricorn.

posted May 24, 2005 11:50 PM         

My rising sign is Sag, but my first house is capricorn. I have yet to understand this. I know it has to do with the difference between the equal house and placidus systems. While I feel Sag in a lot of ways, I always knew I felt a lot more restricted than what sagittarian influences would normally prescribe. When I started looking at Capricorn as my first house, I felt that I had found the missing link.

It's difficult feeling so free in thought and spirit, but so restricted on the outside. You have a stellium in sag, so maybe you can relate to this.