posted January 16, 2006 04:21 PM         

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from a fish girl's perspective, enter into his dreams with him, be prepared to swim very deep and make sure your rod and reel are in top noch shape!

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I rest my case!

posted January 17, 2006 12:13 AM         

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Why is a married woman playing these kinds of games and what about the husband? Doesn't he deserve respect and consideration? And why is it so many people on this site blindly support their LL pal in anything they do, even when that person is behaving in a questionable manner? A real friend is honest and isn't afraid to point out uncomfortable truths. If people here really want to grow and evolve then have respect, stop trying to be "nice" all the time and be real. Don't be cruel, obviously, but calling someone out and pointing out something they might want to take a look at in themselves isn't mean.

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I didn't call Mars a meanie due to what he said in regards to LeoLys and her relationship. I was referring to *sign bashing*..Nothing to do with absolutely anything else in this thread.

One of the things that were said is:

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I don't even associate with Fish and i'm disgusted you got caught out. They're cold and pointless. 99% of them are a waste of space. I wouldn't even ask one the time of day because that would be too much trouble for them to handle!

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I do NOT agree with demeaning people for their sun sign. I find that very silly and mean.

That's all

posted January 17, 2006 10:24 AM         

I am very saddened that your Fish friend turned out to be a cold fish. Maybe he sensed there was no future in it or that you were not "available" to enter into the emotional bond that he wished to have with you. Either way, if something is meant to come of it, it will. He will pine for you if you are in his head and have his heart. He may not be direct, obviously he hasn't, but it's something that a fish can't let go of. There is something there that has kept you both hovering and mulling for 20 years. That, I think, speaks for itself.

Secondly, maybe the fact that you are going through a mid-life crisis as you put it, made the scene that much easier to fall into. You desired to be put on a pedestal, to be the center of man's attention and enjoy that affection that comes from an emotional bond, which you stated yourself is lacking in your own marriage. My girl, how I identify with this one. It seems that we all go through bouts of insecurities and doubts and in turn desire someone to validate us, make us feel wanted, loved, and appreciated. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially when your marriage, for whatever reason, seems to be a source of pain instead of joy. I too am a stay-at-home mom, husband works a lot, and our time together is often put on the back burner. This tends to throw you into self-depreciating modes of thinking, and lends itself to very vivid fantasies. I am a fish, I know all about those, especially when I have idle time.

My suggestion to you, as it is something that I must do, not only to keep my my occupied, but myself out of trouble, is to find something that brings you happiness, on your own. Everyone has to have their own "identity" of sorts, and being a mommy and a wife tends to drain one on an "individual" level. I'm not saying that these things are not exceptionally rewarding because they definately are. But you said that you gave up a very rewarding job to stay at home. That would deflate anyone's ego quite quickly, especially if you felt like there was nothing sustaining you emotionally. Find what it is that makes you sing, basically. Whether it's volunteering, writing, dancing, singing. Being the vivacious Leo that you are, I am sure that you have many cards and talents up your sleeve to retreat to. I wish you the best of luck and know that things will turn out the way that you hope that they will. You just have to be the one to take the bull by the horns and direct your own life, find your own chocolate, instead of waiting for someone to give it to you in this neat little, wrapped up package. Unwrap your own dreams, your own possibilities, then you will be happy, and things will just fall into place.

Good luck..

posted January 17, 2006 10:57 AM         

I set the fish free yesterday. He's gotten himself involved with another married woman (from Ecuador!) and a girl who suits him, but he doesnt have chemistry with. He needs to just order everyone out of the pond (I jumped out willingly, after getting my pride stomped on)and start over, this time, not getting involved unless its a possible 'go' ie: not married, not crazy. He was pretty surprised, but agreed. I guess this time, it's mutual.

Spellbound...you are my new best friend. everything you wrote is just so true. so true. yeah, i feel like a totally tacky person for how I have carried on, but I did need that validation. I needed that familiarity of a long time friend/crush. I feel so insignificant sometimes. You're right, though, about getting my own thing going on. my thing that makes me me, without it coming from someone else. i have been having more of an identity crisis than a mid life one. thanks for that lightbulb moment. wow. you are wise. must be all those lifetimes.

thanks a lot.

posted January 17, 2006 01:37 PM         

Mars was just being a Sag! Very expressive with his version of the truth. Maybe why he (and I) are mystified by Pisces. Maybe we're both a bit too into our opinions and making everyone aware of them. Personally, I found his pep talk to be uplifting. AND I was not upset by his reaction...it's typical for his sun sign. My sis is 12/10 and she freaked just because I had gotten in touch with fish man. She is very very sure of her morals, and a very scrupulous (sp?) person, and I respect her for that. I can also disagree with her any time I want, and we can separate that from our bond!

I'd like to see Mars stay and everyone who has weighed in on this. seriously. If this board is about astrology, let's use our understanding of it here on the board. doesnt that make sense? it's a great opportunity to sharpen your skills.

posted January 17, 2006 01:44 PM         

Mars was just being a Sag! Very expressive with his version of the truth. Maybe why he (and I) are mystified by Pisces. Maybe we're both a bit too into our opinions and making everyone aware of them. Personally, I found his pep talk to be uplifting. AND I was not upset by his reaction...it's typical for his sun sign. My sis is 12/10 and she freaked just because I had gotten in touch with fish man. She is very very sure of her morals, and a very scrupulous (sp?) person, and I respect her for that. I can also disagree with her any time I want, and we can separate that from our bond!

I'd like to see Mars stay and everyone who has weighed in on this. seriously. If this board is about astrology, let's use our understanding of it here on the board. doesnt that make sense? it's a great opportunity to sharpen your skills.

posted January 17, 2006 01:56 PM         

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posted January 17, 2006 02:07 PM         

It's what makes them so damn irresistable, damn them.

posted January 17, 2006 02:08 PM         

I know lots of Pisces and we are as varied as the species in the oceans. And much like our natural relatives a lot stink.

However, I feel it is a difficult lesson to learn, the hardest of all, topping even a Scorpio's tests and tribulations. Not an excuse to be an "idiot" true, but perhaps worthy of a mind that could be wedged ever so slightly more open.

You learn what you know from experience though so I guess you've met some unsavoury Neptunians. Oh well, not much to be done about that.

LeoLys, I have been absorbed in my own muddle so delayed replying.

I think the fact that you are married makes him cold to the idea of being with you. He wants to find an all-time love, but can see that your marriage is a potential example of how these things go sour (assumptions here). How could he ever believe it would be for forever.

Of course, the hypocrisy of it all is that something "better" came along he might consider that.

I believe a relationship's energy is set from the beginning. If there is dishonsesty and a lack of loyalty (sometimes justified) this colours everything from the get-go and sets a pattern.

posted January 17, 2006 02:12 PM         

It's what makes them so damn irresistable, damn them.

posted January 17, 2006 03:20 PM         

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I do NOT agree with demeaning people for their sun sign. I find that very silly and mean.
That's all
I really wish people didn’t jump to conclusions.

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You mean 'over-generalise', not jump to conclusions. I wasn't just aiming my comments at the Sun sign. The more planets in there the worse it is. I meant Piscean influence in general.
I have studied astrology 'in the field' for years and i can honestly say that not one planet, at least personal planet, performs anything other than inferiorly in Pisces. Sun - well i won't go there. Moon is defuse and apathetic to the point of being a joke. Venus is incapable of lasting appreciation and powerful gestures thereof. Mercury there correlates HEAVILY with dyslexia. Mars there.... i really can't be bothered to keep going, though i could. You get the drift!

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And Mars, some of us ARE silly romantic, chance-taking folks. we just ARE...it's part of the magic of life, in my opinion. I love to bend the line between fantasy and reality (obviously). Sometimes the two just arent as black and white as some of see them. Yes, it's silly to you, but give peace a chance, man! Be sharp, but not too sharp, unless you like hurting feelings.

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Chance-taking? I wrote the book on that one! Lol! Don't confuse taking a chance with deceitful behavior. Taking a chance would have been telling your husband what you were potentially up to, and risking him kick your ass to the curb!
Overall though that's what i like about Leo - we can have this frank exchange, and still be friends. There's no personal offence taken in these fiery outbursts.
On the other hand the Piscean crew have completely dis-agreed with me, poured Water over everything i've said, gone all peculiar, and not argued their point very well. It's exactly my point.
Please believe me Pisces folk out there i mean you no harm and apologise for being such an a-hole. I know i come across as one to some people while others know how to take me. I'm not perfect and i do have a sharp mind and also tongue. I am far too abrupt for some people especially when discussing intellectualisms, that is, things that are pre-paradigm such as Astrolgy. Such is my passion for the subject.
If you don't like what i've said, know that i mean no offence to you as people, and that i probably am a bit of a jerk sometimes.

posted January 17, 2006 03:26 PM         

His reaction? Cold silence.

what do you have to say about Virgos?

posted January 17, 2006 02:24 PM         

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Mars, what is your day job, if I can ask? I'm just curious.

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My job is nothing special.I lead a double life between what i do to pay the bills, and what is really me. I know alot of poeple would say the same of themselves. But i truly had a bad upbringing where my natural gifts were cruelly not aloud any expression. I was so bullied at home that i could not concentrate enough to ever do homework, and therefore going to school was basically a waste of time. I did get ok results from what i remembered from the lessons though. Basically a bit of a f*ck up is my life.
Please don't extraplolate that i'm like my father though. I'm only an aggressive ideas communicator (mars in Scorpio conjunct mercury in Sagittarius). I'm not at all aggressive in real life, and on first impressions i'm more quiet and Cancer like (Ascendenat)

posted January 17, 2006 03:35 PM         

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His reaction? Cold silence.

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Too much too write.
He sounds wrong for you and you for him from what you've said. Virgos with Libran Emphasis i quite like. In fact i get along with most Virgoans on a supericial level. I tend to chat with them enormously.

I have also worked for the Psychic Circle though doing poeple's charts. Not enough money in it though (to survive i mean)

posted January 17, 2006 02:32 PM         

Thank you for your open minded comments. I love Sagittarius rising people (way more than i like Sag' Sun people)
Where abouts in London do you live? What do you do up there?

posted January 17, 2006 03:54 PM         

Stop threatening him and just do it. I know, easier said than done. But what do you have to lose? What's the sense of being unhappy with someone who has no idea what it takes for a partnership to work? Find a way to satisfy that emotional desire in yourself, then someone who compliments you and completes you will come along. Waiting for someone to give those things to you is like playing russian roulette. Don't do it. Like I said before, fix you, then things will work out.

posted January 17, 2006 04:01 PM         

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I have told him several hundreds of times that some day, I am just going to find someone who can deliver emotinally.

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Stop threatening him and just do it. I know, easier said than done. But what do you have to lose? What's the sense of being unhappy with someone who has no idea what it takes for a partnership to work? Find a way to satisfy that emotional desire in yourself, then someone who compliments you and completes you will come along. Waiting for someone to give those things to you is like playing russian roulette. Don't do it. Like I said before, fix you, then things will work out.

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Totally agree with above.