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Topic: CHEATING & THE NEW AGE
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MiaMammy08 Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Fort Washigton,Maryland,U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted July 13, 2007 02:21 PM
lol you guys are soo silly.------------------ Yes i'm a capricorn with an aries moon and gemini rising. oh yea... IP: Logged |
nattie33 Knowflake Posts: 201 From: USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted July 13, 2007 04:46 PM
Without a Marriage License. There is no such thing as cheating. People who want a real commitment will probably get married. otherwise they are still looking. How many times do you see a man dating a women for 10 years. then meet someone else and marry her in two weeks. It happens a lot.IP: Logged |
MiaMammy08 Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Fort Washigton,Maryland,U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted July 13, 2007 05:59 PM
lol i kno and its soooo sad too.------------------ Yes i'm a capricorn with an aries moon and gemini rising. oh yea... IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 3919 From: The Asylum Registered: Mar 2006
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posted July 13, 2007 06:18 PM
quote: Without a Marriage License. There is no such thing as cheating.
And you are entitled to have that opinion but there are others who enter ANY monogamous relationship expecting a little something called fidelity. Why is that so hard for you to swallow? Just like what you do is your business, what others decide to do is their's. IP: Logged |
Xodian Knowflake Posts: 759 From: Canada Registered: Dec 2006
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posted July 14, 2007 09:12 AM
quote: Bottom line is that if you feel you're losing yourself just by being faithful then I wouldn't advise you to stay in the relationship. You got a long way ahead of you, if relationships are not you're thing then just go and explore. You've got an air venus like me, you don't need to be in one if its really more of a liabilty to you than a joy.
Finally seeing things my way eh Dulcio? Lol! This is exactly what I mean when I talk about the concept of an open realtionship. Independenly charged people need to feel that they are still themselves in a relationship and when they strat to lose that vital part of themselves to a union, they become extremely depressed and look for ways to compensate for that emptiness and usually... they end up cheating (or find other viable ways for emotional escapism.) So its good to lay down the open change ideas right from the start . Sweet Stars: You sure it ain't the other way around? Forget Scorpio... I can't even imagine a Taurus (patient of all patient signs) staying around you for more then 3 secs. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 3919 From: The Asylum Registered: Mar 2006
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posted July 14, 2007 03:12 PM
quote: Finally seeing things my way eh Dulcio?
Pragmatist here; I've always felt that way. What I don't like is when people enter monogamous relationships knowing that it isn't their thing and then end up hurting people in the process because of their actions. IP: Logged |
seveneieghtorange Knowflake Posts: 257 From: atlanta, georgia Registered: Jan 2005
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posted July 20, 2007 02:29 PM
Im sorry you are going through some things. I do agree with the others tho, if you are not a committed person then don't pretend to be. Especially to a cancer...I am a cancer and I've been cheated on. even if it is just a slight flirtation, it killed me to know that the person I trusted the most could do that to me. I have a venus in taurus and I can be very loyal. However, considering my track record with men, I dont trust anyone at all and even if I am in a relationship right now; it really is an issue of having one foot out the door as soon as bullsh$% starts to happen. I dont commit to anything I dont see for myself. Im young, so I do have a love for variety, although I wouldnt consider it cheating. More of flirtation when no one is looking. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 316 From: Portugal Registered: Sep 2006
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posted July 20, 2007 06:21 PM
As Dulce Luna said before, being in an open relationship is not wrong if both parties agree. If you can't accept to be with only one person, then it's better to stay out from a partner that expects fidelity. Just as simple as that.If you really choose to be in a monogamous relationship (with both parties agreeing), then not even the "we are not married yet so cheating is not wrong" can justify the cheating act, coz monogamy means being faithful to only one person. And well, you don't actually need a piece of paper (legal marriage document) to really make the vow of fidelity to someone right? Can we be faithful after signing the marriage papers, if we aren't even able to be faithful at the beginning anyways?? Marriage is the ultimate vow of staying together for the rest of our lives, but if you intended to be with only one person since the very start of a relationship (in other words, if you chose to be in a monogamous relationship), then you don't need marriage to actually make you faithful. Not entering into a monogamous relationship if that's not your cup of tea is being honest (to yourself and others), while entering into one and then fooling around with someone else is not (no excuses). IP: Logged |
Sunny Mavericks Knowflake Posts: 96 From: CA, USA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted July 20, 2007 10:04 PM
Interesting... no marriage license= no cheating? I never looked at it that way. Well, I know how you feel. I loved a man so much that I didn't think that anyone had ever felt that way before- and I cheated on him 4 times. It wasn't because I didn't love him or because of anything like that- it had nothing to do with him. It's a long story so I won't try to explain but I just wanted you to know that you aren't a bad person. But maybe you should just be open with the men you are dating and tell them that you aren't the kind to commit. Then no one can really get hurt. Hope this helped. There was some good advice from the others too. Sunny ------------------ Sun Scorp Moon Cancer Leo Rising IP: Logged |
Isis Knowflake Posts: 1743 From: CA Registered: Jan 2004
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posted July 20, 2007 10:33 PM
I admit I'm not the greatest at reading charts...but she does have Neptune and Uranus in the 8th house. Scorpio's house. Maybe that expresses as 1) unconventionality (Uranus) when it comes to intimate relationships (8th house), and 2) an inclination to have illusions (Neptune) about things relating to the 8th house, such as intimate relationships. Add to that Venus in Aqua (Sensuality + Freedom) in the 9th house (Sag's house)... I'm with Peri. It's entirely possible that you're polyamorous and there's nothing wrong w/ that. If you are, better for your potential lovers that you're aware of this. Because of your age I'd say give yourself at least a couple of years to determine if that's the case...so much can change btwn 17 and 20. The only thing wrong with what you've described is that you and the person you're with have different expectations - he expects monogamy and you crave freedom. I don't think one can go against their fundamental nature and be happy. Either you're just not feeling it for him, regardless of how much you want to be or whatever, or you're not at a point where you can be happy with just one person. That's fine. Just recognize that so that you don't hurt people who have different expectations. IP: Logged |
NAM Knowflake Posts: 686 From: Sunny place. Registered: Jan 2007
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posted July 21, 2007 01:51 PM
There are obviously a lot of points of view here, so I will just give you mine.Cheating is BAD! Cheating is LYING! If you were my girlfriend/wife and you cheat on me you would hurt me tremendously, I would loose trust and respect for you and our relationship would not grow but deteriorate. If we are in an open relationship, even if we are just dating/girlfriend-boyfriend or marriage and I accept this side of you then it is fair game, you are not cheating on me so that means you are not lying on me. If the person does not accept you in an open relationship were you can have your sexual encounters with other people then this is not the person for you and you need to move on because by staying and pretending to be someone you are not you are LYING to yourself or by cheating you are LYING to them and lies only end up in hurt. I hope you get my point, don't be selfish and live a life that is not for you.It will always end in a sour note. I know the whole thing is probably very hard on you and you are being pulled in different directions with your emotions but to grow as a person you need to make decisions in life that will take in consideration first others and then you.Balance is not easy at times.
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NAM Knowflake Posts: 686 From: Sunny place. Registered: Jan 2007
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posted July 21, 2007 01:56 PM
OMG! I just realized you are cheating on a cancer!!!!! I am a cancer as well, trust me I rather know that this is what youa re doing up front then find out later on, I had a boyfriend many moons ago that cheated on me several times and I can't tell you how many tears I wasted on him. See, I will accept how people are if I know this ahead of time, and if it is not for me then I will move on but NEVER lie to me this way.I will never ever look your way again and give you the time of the day if you walk all over me.I can forgive but will never forget.But I will move on for sure.Maybe that would not matter to you though. Here is a question for you to find out , what if he one day he says, enough is enough and decides to leave teh relationship? how would you feel about that? IP: Logged |
mudmama Knowflake Posts: 123 From: NH, USA Registered: Dec 2006
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posted July 22, 2007 09:20 AM
I think human relationships are changing, especially with the younger generations. It could be a spiritual shift, environmental (parents part in child's upbringing or lack thereof), the over-abundance of over-stimulating electronics/media, the American monster of instant gratification, whatever. Now looking at astrological influences I'd pick out the Venus in Aquarius, having a daughter with Aquarian influence I'd have to wonder if it's that air energy at work. Above was mentioned the polyamorous route, that seems to be on the rise, or at least I'm seeing more of it. It's something you should learn more about as it may be something that suits you. If not I think you need to be very honest with potential partners as to you and your preferences. Right now you are causing a lot of pain to another individual, I have been that other person just this year (and cheating is cheating whether there is a marriage certificate or not). Some of us enter relationships with an intense desire for exclusivity and if that 'trust' is betrayed it's devastating (especially to some of us with heavy water and earth). Be as honest with your partners as you are with yourself and I imagine you will find a relationship that will work well for all involved.oh, and the mother in me begs to remind you to be sure to practise safe sex with your multiple partners. I have a much younger brother your age and I can hear him groaning now. take care IP: Logged |
MiaMammy08 Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Fort Washigton,Maryland,U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted July 22, 2007 01:28 PM
lol thanks everyone for the advice.------------------ Yes i'm a capricorn with an aries moon and gemini rising. oh yea... IP: Logged |
Kay Libra Knowflake Posts: 288 From: New York, USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted July 23, 2007 11:32 AM
In this day and age cheating is almost everywhere you look. It's sad, but true. I abhor cheating. Although I've been cheated on, I have never given up love, but I am more cautious about entering into a relationship again. Pluto has been transiting my 5th house and I'm noticing the transformations in my relationships. I think before you enter into a relationship with a person, you need to both lay your cards out on the table and get to know each other well. Because what you may classify as cheating the other person may not. Bottom line---if you know you can't be faithful than why enter into a relationship....save you and your partner the heartache. IP: Logged |
~jane_says~ Knowflake Posts: 115 From: SD Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 23, 2007 07:07 PM
MiaMammy..I'm 28 (Gem Sun)and now in a committed relationship, but up until two years ago, I could like yourself not be faithful. As you say, you feel like ur losing yourself to the relationship, I felt like that often. My advice is be true to yourself, but FIRST you need to define your boundaries. So far, you don't seem to have any, but yet you say you want commitment at the same time. So as young as you are 17, your job is to have relationships to help define what you want. It's like trying on clothes. But in this case, you don't buy anything, so my advice is to tell your partners you're just browsing around. I doubt you'll have trouble finding partners who think like you in this time and age. I would like to say stop the cheating with your Cancer. I've done it to one once and believe me it was earth-shattering. So be true to yourself and your man. There is nothing wrong with having multiple lovers as long as your honest about it IMHO. The thing here is to find someone who shares your same values. So set your Cancer free! Comica--thank god you said your speak... Nattie--My god whoever said Marriage defines cheating! Cheating is a state of mind that follows through with or without actions. Marriage is a contract set with in your mind. A piece of paper has nothing to do with it, except to serve the purpose of tradition. Fidelity means everything when both partners agree to be committed. Cheating between a married couple and a unmarried couple is the same thing regardless. Cheating is cheating. Who knows and who cares within the relationship is something else entirely. Besides marriage is losing its popularity, in time, it will be less and less of a priority. Committment matters within your mind, body and soul, not for the sake of defining yourself and your partner underneath the law. ------------------ "If you believe, you can achieve." Tupac IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 7318 From: Registered: Mar 2005
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posted July 24, 2007 05:00 PM
NAM!  There was alot of advice here simililar to yours but I like how you said it, especially since you are a Cancerian, I can definitely relate to it. Like you, It is the LYING that I hate. I demand honesty no matter what style of relationship. Also MM is young and is perhaps having relationship/attachment/control issues I noticed. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001858.html quote: could somebody send white light to my father. Because my spiritual guides are telling me that there is nothing good coming from his upcoming marriage. Since he has been with his current girlfriend, my father has slowly begun to lose love for myself and my siblings. We were his world now he doesn't care about us. My mother says that this woman wants my father to love her the same way he loves me because he loves me unconditionally beacuse I am his child. My father has always bragged about me because he is proud of me and that always causes jealousy from other women. But in the process he has lost all love for me. I know this may be his life lesson but nobody should have to live in a relationship like this. Oh God I hope that nothing bad happens because the last time he was involved with a woman who had bad spirits, he aged tremendously.
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jane Knowflake Posts: 433 From: Registered: Nov 2006
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posted July 27, 2007 03:08 AM
Mia - I agree with what many have already said. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be in an exclusive relationship, but there is something wrong with being in an exclusive relationship and not honoring the inherent promise to be faithful. You say you love your freedom but sometimes want commitment. Maybe what you actually want is stability, not commitment? I think you'd be satisfied with an open relationship, someone you see regularly but with the clear understanding and agreement of both parties that you'll see other people too. Do the kind, decent thing and be honest with your bf about what your needs are and let him choose to walk away if that type of relationship won't work for him.I think one of the reasons you become unhappy in "committed" relationships is because you're not really interested in intimacy. And I'm not saying this as an insult. You're very young and I think it's actually the exception to want intimacy at your age and know how to achieve it. If you enjoyed depth more--a deep, close bond--it would be easier to stay faithful, but you probably value a lighter connection with people, variety above depth. This doesn't mean that you don't have depth, though. It's just that's not the part of yourself that you're interested in sharing with others or having them share with you. The main thing that's gained in a committed relationship is intimacy. If, for whatever reason, that's not what you're after, a commitment would be all form and no substance and would feel like a prison sentence. When you do want intimacy (which you likely will someday), you'll probably find being faithful easier to do b/c the commitment will bring rewards. I just wanted to add this as another possibility for your commitment difficulties, besides the polyamorous one. Take care.  IP: Logged |
MiaMammy08 Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Fort Washigton,Maryland,U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted July 31, 2007 10:14 PM
thanks for all the advice so far guys.IP: Logged |