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lorien
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posted June 02, 2008 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lorien     Edit/Delete Message
Hello everyone,
I have been studying the synastry aspects between me and my beloved one and have come across one that seems significant, however the information on what it means is extremely limited. I've noticed that my Black Moon Lilith conjunct Uranus fall exactly on his Ascendant in late Scorpio. Does anyone have some experience in dealing with this aspect? I have found some explanations on my Uranus conjuncting his Ascendant, but I'm sure that Lilith is altering this influence somehow...
I'm worried about having sort of a malephic influence over him somehow, due to my Lilith in Scorpio over his Asc (let alone the disrupting feeling my Uranus might cause), so that's why I'm looking forward to your insight on this.
Should anyone be so kind as to take a look on the charts, here is our birth information:
Me: Aug 14, 1981, 9.12 AM (univ time: 6.12), 45 N 27, 28 E 02
Him: May 28, 1977, 6.50 PM (univ. time: 16.50), 45 N 39, 25 E 37
Thank you so much,
Galadriel

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MysticMelody
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posted June 02, 2008 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Hi lorien It looks like you have been reading at LindaLand for a while. I'm glad you've decided to post. Welcome to LindaLand and welcome to Soul Unions. I find your question fascinating but I don't have an answer for you. I hope someone with enough experience in reading aspects takes notice of your topic and helps shed some light on the subject.
Here is a link that has information on how to post pictures of charts. Those in the know will probably say that they can't give an answer based on only a couple aspects and would like you to post your full synastry chart.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000006.html

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Lara
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posted June 02, 2008 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hi,

I would love to find out too.
my b/de Lilith is exact conjunct my AC and my Lilith is exact conjunct his DC
:I

I can't find any info anywhere on this aspect DW!

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lorien
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posted June 02, 2008 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lorien     Edit/Delete Message
Hi MysticMelody and thank you so much for welcoming me to the forum. It's true, I've been reading the discussions here for quite a while and found some really interesting insights and information. This is why I decided to join the fun actually.

The idea is that there is wonderful affinity between the two us us, shown by plenty of trines and sextiles between personal planets. Take a look for example at this grand trine: [his Sun, Jupiter and Lilith] trine [my Moon and SN] trine [my Jupiter and Saturn and his Moon and Pluto]. Or even better, see the kite formed by [my Neptune] trine [my Sun and Mercury] trine [his Venus, Mars in opposition with his NN and my Pluto].

Adding to this, going beyond the pretty into the intense, there's plenty of intensity allright, with his Venus, Pluto, Mercury, Chiron and SN into my eighth house, my Mars and NN into his eighth, my Pluto tightly opposing his Venus and Mars etc.

However, the whole air of the relationship seems very disruptive. It has an obsessive-compulsive feeling, so to speak, and I don't think Pluto is the sole to blame for this. We want to be together really badly, not just for an affair but for the rest of our lives, but in order for this to happen we need - and especially HE needs to make very tough decisions, to give up thing that are so very precious to him and start anew, from skratch. That's why I'm worried that this Lilith cj Uranus that I bring on his Asc might be like a malephic influence giving him the impetus to destroy things and hurt people in the process.

I know that it's ultimately up to us to take these decisions and not up to the astrologer, but I just hope to get a better idea of the forces working here, beneath the surface, in order to take an informed decision. I really welcome anyone who might have some insight into this issue to join the discussion.

Anyway, I've tried to post the picture of the synastry chart, hope it will work. His chart is in the inner circle, and I'm in the outer one. (Oh and by the way, the nameless dot there is the Sun-Moon midpoint, which I found should be a very sensitive point in synastry).

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MysticMelody
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posted June 02, 2008 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Hi lorien,
Wow, that is a lot of trine energies. I can see why you might look to the aspect you mentioned in order to find answers. Have you looked for answers in your Composite chart? If you two feel that strongly for one another and have that strong of a connection then the composite energy of your relationship is in effect.

Have you read this thread? 4th post down for more pertinent information http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017817.html

It seems this is a time for choices and changes.

I think that simply because you are willing ask yourself these questions, this has more to do with his choices than your energy. Since it is his AC, and your dark moon point, then his "horizon" or perspective of the world is combined with your darker emotional side and deep hidden fears and ways you might not behave emotionally in the highest spiritual manner.
Since Uranus brings sudden changes (in the most generic sense of the energy) then your choices really could have an effect on how he sees his reality. This might be what is meant to happen (well, it is what is meant to happen) so now you can only do your best to spin the energy into the healthiest form possible. You could let him know that you fear your influence and ask him to think carefully about his decisions and pray for the highest truth and best path. You can do the same. You can make sure your influence also helps him make the most loving decisions for all involved.
That's really some heavy stuff, lorien. It also looks like you can deny that part of yourself and project it on him so it could also be manifesting as a way for you to look at your own motivations and become stronger and more powerful and loving... as a transformation of self through this ordeal.
It is also about unfulfilled wishes so there is a chance you would have to let something go for the best possible outcome. Or maybe he will.

I am only starting the guessing here to help you consider. I am only a beginner with the asteroids and "points". I hope you get some more answers.

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lorien
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posted June 03, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lorien     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting information about the transits going on up in the sky, MysticMelody, the truth is I really feel this is a time of tough choices and irreversible decisions for everyone... I'm probably asking for a lot when hoping that we'll have clear minds when making these choices, given Mercury's condition

Lots and lots of trines there, indeed, of the best kind The vibration I get is wonderful and uplifting, and rather than becoming lazy and over-indulgent, I feel this is our ticket to evolving. It's as if now, after meeting each other, we have all the energy and support needed to start acting and transforming and reaching for the stars (could be the 9th house emphasis, I presume)...

As for the composite... since now is the time for action, I suppose the more appropriate chart is the progressed composite. What do you know, Uranus is exactly on the Ascendant again. I think it likes it there Lilith on the other hand changed the angles and sits exactly on the MC... There's that lovely stellium of Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Mercury in the nineth receiving lots of trines from Neptune and sextiles from Pluto, but just as many squares from Uranus and Chiron (see below). Go figure

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lorien
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posted June 03, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lorien     Edit/Delete Message
Now, Mystic, just to make sure I understand your insight. What you are saying is that, due to the fact that by being aware of Lilith/Uranus sitting there, I'm less likely to leave myself at the hands of their disruptive energy, so that it's actually him that needs to deal with the fact that his Ascendant is "Lilithised", as Steven Forrest would put it? I know that his theory is that when two planets are conjunct in synastry, there's a two way influence. For example, if my Sun conjuncts his Moon, he is "lunarising" my Sun and I am lending solar characteristics to his Moon. Could this apply to points as well, in that the way he presents himself to the world is more erratic and dark, while my Lilith becomes more important as an identity element?

Concerning the choices that need to be made, I'm not trying to persuade my loved one into anything, all I want for him is to be happy and choose the right path, no matter if this involves me or not. But my worry is that, irrespective of the rational words that come out of my mouth, there's deeper unconscious flows of energy already at work and it's still the disruptiveness that I put out that might prevail and tilt his decision towards something he would have never done were it not for this...

Anyway, I presume it's a matter of equilibrium to have such intense placements because otherwise all thouse trines could have been too much of a good thing And nothing should be in excess, right?

Kisses everyone,
lorien

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