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MineAgain
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posted July 25, 2014 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me thinks that if he's dodging the question each time it probably means he's still on the fence about it.

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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Morning,
He texted a couple of times yesterday to tell me that his cardiac rehab went well and he was at the cardiologist office. I did not respond. He still has not had the courtesy to pick up the phone and speak to me. The next thing will be his niece's wedding on Aug. 16th that we were obviously supposed to attend. Even went to the shower and bought a dress. His siters think he is going to break down then and ask me to go with him. I don't think so, but should be interesting. Everyone tells me not to respond to him and others will say then he will really think I don't care. Personally I am starting to tire of the whole situation.

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SoujiroSeta
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posted July 25, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoujiroSeta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you guys deal with all these games?

Maybe it's just me but I don't have time for games, and I simply will not put up with it.

Why do you continue to allow this to happen? Are you hanging on to the notion that he is the "one and only" for you? or that there isn't someone out there who won't play these games and have a better connection with you?

You want to know why you are going through all this stuff? it's cause you allow it. All you simply have to do it walk away. END IT ONCE AND FOR ALL. DONE. Problem solved. No more worrying about this or that. Someone else will enter into your life.

Relationships like these, imo, are bound to end in turmoil. Its a question of when. Rather now that later imo.

Sorry if I sound rude, but I simply cannot understand why people put themselves through these game playing nonsense that I hear so much about. The moment I even see and inkling of it, I drop you. Period.

At the end of they day you will do what you want to do, but don't complain about his behavior when you continue to put up with it knowing very well that you can end it. Once again, maybe it's just me.

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Vajra
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posted July 25, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so uch Vajra. A couple of friends have said the exact thing. I know about Caps not expressing mushy romantic rants, but he was always very touchy-feely, and was the first to say I love you and initiate itimacy.
I know about the space business they need, but he got ****** at me that final night when he is talking to all these well-wishers from work and he says "its so nice that people call and show they care". I said, and what about the one that cares the most, I am here". Then I said, "I really don't want my kids to be right that the only thing I am is your maid." That was it. But I am expected to take his rude mouth (other times) but he can't understand my frustration. Oh well..
But thank you so much for writing. It does make sense...

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Vajra
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posted July 25, 2014 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again. I always joked with him that he doesn't like it when I am right. It is sad because we did have so much fun. His sisters and mom tell me and have told him I was the best thing that ever happened to him. I proved my loyalty and devotion and not even a call these past 2 weeks. Not really sure what to do.
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Vajra
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posted July 25, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have replied a couple of times nicely. It is just hard to accept that it is almost like I never existed. Now the next thing is his nieces wedding on Aug 16th. I went to her shower. And her brother is getting married in Disney on November 16th, we have our air tickets. Yet I saw him on the dating site we met on and he has since disabled his profile. Yet he claims before his heart attack ge was browsing and saw me on there. I don't think so. I am as faithful as the day is long. But, he was browsing??
I even asked him was this past year a lie, did he just say he loved me for the hell of it.? He would just say what are you talking about. Anyway I wish I could hate him as much as I love him, but it is hard! So now I wait.

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Vajra
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posted July 25, 2014 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your kindness! I miss him so much and I know I have done everything for him for the past year and I know he knows it too. Everyone tells me don't text him or else I will look like a stalker as **** him off more. Weekends are the toughest because that's when we were together the most. I still sit and get teary eyed. So that is why if he would just say it's over or I need time (which he did when this happened) but to not even call? Very difficult.

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sugarflapjacks
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posted July 25, 2014 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, here's what I think.

Why couldn't you let him know in a soft confident voice how you felt about being left out when he told his family about his recovery? That may have had a better result than you getting offended and an argument ensuing.

Your Dear John letter. That means break up. On this forum, I explained how a guy I was getting know basically sent me a dear jane text (yes, a text) and I was surprised because I thought we were getting along well -- he even told me we were two days prior to the dear jane text. I sent him a long note back expressing my feelings and hoping he would give "us" more time, etc, but I never heard a word back from him. If this ever happens to me again, I will never respond. If they want to end it with me, then so be it. Rejection hurts, but I will not let it make me beg.

The Dating site incidence. He took your letter literally and was trying to move on.

Steph314, the fact that you want to end an exclusive relationship with someone you say you love and who loves you because he messed up, speaks poorly of your level of commitment. From the sounds of your post, it appears to me that he is committed to you. You want him to tell you it's over? You did.

Can you express yourself without ultimatums? People don't like ultimatums (and most grown men Hate them). So just for the hell of it, they will do just what your "or else" condition dared them not to do.

I think you still have a chance though, if you want it. But you are going to have to work hard now to gain his trust because his in faith in your commitment to him when Your feelings get hurt, may have compromised it. I know it sucks, but if you want him, it's on his terms now. I believe your cap will continue to talk to you, but You must stop "threatening" to leave him. "Threatening" I say because it's apparent that you don't want to.


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sugarflapjacks
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posted July 25, 2014 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*duplicate*

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sugarflapjacks
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posted July 25, 2014 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes, I didn't know there was a page 2 and didn't read any additional posts after your reply to mine. It seemed everyone was telling you it was over, maybe their opinions changed since I asked if you were exclusive

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Steph314
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posted July 25, 2014 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He told his 87 year old mom 2 weeks prior to the attack that he was going to break up with me. I am not giving ultimatums, I am assuming this is what he wants; and I never want to assume. As always I try to make things easy for him. Right now I am stepping back and hoping for the best.

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posted July 27, 2014 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Steph314
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posted August 02, 2014 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just an update: it is now 3 weeks since I have spoken to my Cap guy on the phone. I have gotten text messages here and there, some like the "old days" others like nothing much. I have told him that I love him and always will, but that's about it.
What hurts most is it is like I never existed. And he will not acknowledge that anything is wrong.
Oh well, my hope is diminishing.
Thank you all for your kindness!

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Vajra
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posted August 04, 2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 04, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much. I have been keeping myself busy, it still hurts, but not as much. I think the next event I have to get over is on August 16th, his nieces's wedding which I was truly looking forward too. People were taking bets that he would break down and ask me, but I am a realist and I don't think that will happen. He is not seeing anyone and I know that for a fact and everyone just advises not to answer his texts. When I did they were short and sweet. Nothing elaborate. They are telling me that when I do I empower him to control the situation and even make him think hey, it could not have been that bad, she is answering me. Still no phone call. How i just wish I could be like him; I am being treated like I never existed and wish it could be the same in my mind. Oh well...
Thanks again!

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sugarflapjacks
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posted August 05, 2014 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Steph314:
He told his 87 year old mom 2 weeks prior to the attack that he was going to break up with me.
Who told you this?

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Odette
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posted August 05, 2014 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the only thing I agree with on the whole thread:

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I've never seen a fickle Capricorn. So if your guy doesn't tell you it's over even though you keep asking him about it, and he keeps texting you about his health, I would take that to mean that he doesn't want it to end. But maybe he thinks you do?
Also remember he just had a close brush with death. Maybe he is a bit under the weather and has a lot on his mind.

I think there are some huge miscommunications happening between you. His brush with death probably made him think he wasn't good enough for you or that he is less fit/less healthy - that he would be a burden in your life.. or God knows what else. You have no idea how depressed and self-critical Capricorns can be.

I don't think you should ignore texts or be cold.. or ask him how he feels about *you*. You should tell him how you feel, instead. Tell him things like - "I care about you. I always will. I am here for you.. and I will always be here for you in years to come - come hell or high-water".
That's what a Capricorn person needs to hear from someone after having a heart attack.

Could you please post the sign and degree of both of your Mercuries? I'm wondering whether that might be the cause of miscommunications.

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Steph314
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posted August 05, 2014 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anytime he has texted me in the past 3 weeks, I tell him that I love him, that he will always be the truest love I have ever known, so I am very supportive. I hear from his sisters and him that he is pretty much back to a normal routine. There is obviously not much more I can do if he does not want me anymore. I would give anything to have things as they were, but, no one can force him to do anything.
And to answer about him telling his Mom he was going to break up with me, she did. She wass so upset and did not want me to be hurt. She has said time and time again that I am the best thing that ever happened to him.

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Steph314
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posted August 05, 2014 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very nice lady sent me this on another post:

Your man is a life path number 5. This life path number can be summed up in one word; restless.
Also fitting is the fact that he has Moon in Sagittarius. How about that?

Is this depression "normal"? Well depression is part of life, its only a problem when it starts to seriously debilitate one's aptitude for objective reasoning.

Neptune widely squares his Aquarius Mercury; this could bring about the depressive states.

And that Saturn in Scorpio squaring Jupiter in cautious Virgo suggests that he "caps" his happiness; always thinking about or anticipating the worst that might befall him.

He also has Pluto conjunct Jupiter; he digs deeply and emotions tend to linger. This aspect can also make one think that they can "save the world". They feel guilty when they discover that they can't.

Venus in Aquarius squaring Mars in Scorpio and both opposing and squaring Pluto in Leo respectively,suggests much passion but lots of drama in the romantic area of life/

Pluto sqaures Saturn which suggests that life kinds of "pulls" the proverbial rug right from under his feet. Just when he thinks things are stabilizing(Saturn), things fall apart or completely change(Pluto).

The key to dealing with this aspect is accepting whatever changes come. the more the person holds on to the status quo(Saturn), the more psychologically damaged they become(Pluto).

I think this aspect is responsible for him feeling that he has being "wronged" or that life has been "unfair" and "heartbreaking" for him.

I don't think its healthy for him to regurgitate the past. It spoils the present

The need to "reconnect" with his son could be his Moon in Sagittarius reaching out; Sagittarius lunar people become more maternal and become better parents when they are older.

It is also true that Pluto interacting with Venus/Mars wants close bonds and cannot live without showing and receiving affection-no matter how volatile. So long as they add depth and value to the individual

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Steph314
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posted August 05, 2014 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for me she wrote:

You have life path number 1- this is the initiator.

You also have the same Moon position as your mate-Moon in Sagittarius. So here there is an intuitive understanding of each other from an emotional point of view.

You also have a Venus/Mars square(excluding Pluto), but a very wide square aspect of Venus with Saturn and the opposition aspect of Saturn with Mars.

You both probably had to wait for a long time for love. Saturn aspecting Venus does that. It can make one live through many disappointments in search of the ultimate love.

Your Uranus conjuncts Jupiter and so, with you, changes are not only accepted and encouraged. But they are also a natural part of life.

Your Mercury squares Saturn and opposes Pluto. You are also capable of deep thoughts and "picking" up what his thoughts are. But the Saturn square does tend you towards more "reasoning" approach.

You two are joined by a generational Pluto/Saturn square. Both of you have had to deal with having to rebuild your life when the winds of change come and wreak havoc.


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