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FireBird
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posted June 22, 2011 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your ASC is Pisces and your Sun is Virgo.These square.
This can feel like you have a distinct outer person from your inner person.
Is that your sense?"

I thought they were opposite. But regardless, yes, I do feel different. I feel that Pisces are such simple, compassionate, and sometimes naive people....but I am so much more complicated and twisted than that.

I also think that people underestimate me a lot, even thought I warn them not to mess with me. Only when I get angry do they really see what I'm talking about.

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posted June 22, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your mercury in Virgo squares your Dejaneia in Gemini.
This may make your feeling of being a victim(which we all have somewhere in our chart) and your mind at odds.
I am trying to think how this could play out.
Do you feel your mind fights the part of you that wants to be weak and give up.
Do you struggle against this part of you as a kind of ongoing thing?"


Oh wow....I didn't think that will pop up, but yes. I am always plowing through life with this- always constantly on the lookout for any pressure points and trying to support them lest they cave in and I just crumble. And no matter what happens, I just wait and tell myself you have to go through this, because there is no way to escape the hardships. If I give up or become weak, no one else is going to help me unless I help myself.

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posted June 22, 2011 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Moon in Leo square Saturn
Do you feel that your emotions are not as accessible as you would like ,that they are kind of squished down and it is hard for you to give them credence ?"

It's not that I don't give credit for my emotions, they are there and have to acknowledge them. But you could say I compartmentalize them until I get the chance to deal with them on my own without distractions.

Only when they start getting out of control do I struggle to put them down and lock them down in a box until I feel better or the situation passes.

On a regular basis, I have a steady control over my emotions better than others. I sometimes get suspicious of other people's loud emotions, or depending on the situation, be jealous that they can express themselves with such abandonment. That's because I feel my heart has a good amount of callous on the outside, so trivial things that rouse others don't bother me as much. But if someone penetrates deep to the still living parts of my heart, I'm in agony and want them to pay dearly for it.

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posted June 22, 2011 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your Lilith conjuncts your NN.This is interesting.Lilith is raw sexuality, the passions unbridled.
Your path in life involves getting in touch with these energies.
It does not mean you have to be wild lol
You just have to face the wild part of you"

Actually I am very well aware of that part of me- just didn't know the aspect. But I was raised up with keeping my virginity until I get married type of thing. So I feel this aspect even makes me more unwilling to settle less than what I want in a guy to be able to express that part of me.

I don't know if it's only this aspect of my chart, but I feel that once I get in touch with my sexuality, I feel that there will be a point where I'll be so consumed by it that I will want more and more, and continuously burn and make more fire. Sorta like the sun- just endlessly burning and making more fire.

::shrug::

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are great to work with Fire Bird-a true pleasure

I will look at some more things.
Why don't you go to the Asteroid forum.Check out my thread on Links.
You can look up where all your major asteroids are.
Only do 2 degrees or less.
Conjunctions are the strongest.The more exact the better. For other aspects--1 degree or less

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posted June 22, 2011 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will get back to you about Vesta. Its quite a bit to think about...

However, I do want to thank you very much for taking the time doing this for me. I know some things about my chart, but you've shown me other parts that I didn't know someone can see in my chart. And discussing these things, it's therapeutic, as I am in need to be fully and thoroughly understood. Or rather, I am in need to fully and thoroughly express myself to the degree I always wanted to have, but never really had the chance to because there things people don't understand, or there isn't enough time/interest/too much distance, or I'm too darn intense for people to be on the other side...

So thank you very much!!

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posted June 22, 2011 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not done.Lets continue. This is fun,if you want to

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posted June 22, 2011 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami,

Here are some asteroids...I hope these are good to start with!

When I write square angle, it literally looks like a square with a small angle on top. I don't know what that aspect means. Also, angle looks like a V on its side.

Vertex: 26 Virgo 17'56"
semisextile moon -0 51
square MC -0 59

Lilith: 11° Taurus 25'50"
Trine Mercury -0 08

Ceres: 11 Leo 1'3"
Square angle mc 0 42
Semisextile mercury 0 17

Pallas: 23 Gemini 26'11"
Quincunx Saturn -0 05
Square angle jupiter 0 39

Juno: 22° Libra 25'13"
Semisextile Saturn 0 56

Eris: 16 Aries 05'52"
Square angle mars 0 45

Pholus: 6 Taurus 42'2" retrograde
Square Jupiter -1 06
Angle asc 0 33

Nessus: 23 Leo 6'58"
Square Saturn 0 14

Ixion: 17° Scorpio 52'47"
Square venus -1

Orcus: 6 Leo 57'43"
Opposite Jupiter -0 50
Biquintile Neptune -0 07
Square angle asc 0 49

Quaoar: 18° Scorpio 8' 8"
Square venus -0 46

Sedna: 8 Taurus 59'2" retrograde
Biquintile Uranus 0 50

Varuna: 22° Gemini 1'54"
Square asc 0 53
Square angle Jupiter 0 46

Osiris: 0 Scorpio 56'23"
Quintile venus 0 02
Sextile mars -0 54
Sextile Neptune -0 06
Conjunct pluto 2 03

Isis: 17 Libra 1'34"
Angle mars 0 11

Hygiea 0° Taurus 51'56" Retrograde
Trine Neptune 0 01
Trine mars 0 58

Karma: 14 Sagittarius 17'3"
Conjunct Uranus 0 08
Opposite chiron -0 20

Just wanted to let you know that Isis and Eris are opposite of each other by almost a degree, but lovely astro.com doesn't want to say it. Same goes for Hygeia and Osiris, by only a few minutes. Varuna and Pallas conjunct by a degree and around 25 minutes. Juno and Varuna trine within a degree.

As for Vesta, I'm thinking about it while I'm eating

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posted June 22, 2011 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I put some Vesta info here as I was trying to understand it for you.
It is the holder or energy or sacred space.I think this means that it is selfless service,in a word,whatever that service may be.
Read it and tell me what you think,if you want.

For you,it conjuncts Saturn so it would be watered down or hard to access.
I would say that it is hard for you to give yourself OVER to another.It is hard to give selfless service without really feeling you want something back.Does that fit at all?"

Yes, I have to get something in return for my selfless act. At the very least, recognition and appreciation for what I did. I'm scared that I might be taken advantage of, since people do not appreciate the kindness of a person. And when I do decide to be selfless, I am THOROUGHLY selfless...so I'm very picky about that.


"In “real life” Vesta and her related themes are difficult to speak about, and are for the most part not publicly acknowledged (though Madonna has done a good job of it, at various times). Indeed, Vesta goes against the grain of all our outer relationship conditioning and points us to an entirely different sexual and relational dimension. Vesta may be the most controversial form the Goddess takes, though the most practical, and the least spoken of. What we experience more than anything in our culture are the shadow sides of Vesta, which include the accumulation of toxic shame, sexual rage and frustration, and their results — sexual abuse, people using one another for sex without direct consent, unintended pregnancies, and their often very difficult results: particularly abortion and the circumstances that typically surround adoption"

On the other hand, I feel that Saturn has prevented me from experiencing the real life Vesta shadow characteristics listed above. To which I have to say, I'm quite grateful for.

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posted June 23, 2011 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 23, 2011 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FASCINATING about Vesta in your chart !
Thank you for sharing that.
I will meditate on your asteroids. Go get changed the doctor will see you in a minute

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posted June 24, 2011 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darling
I will start on your aspects,today
Thank you for writing them out so clearly!!!

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posted June 24, 2011 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you tell me about Vertex, Fire Bird? I am just learning about it?

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posted June 24, 2011 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I will take one at a time Hygeia trine Neptune and Mars.
Hygeia has to do with healing.It can also indicate depression but prolly not with those nice trines.
Are you interested in healing/natural healing?
Are you a healer type of person? I bet you are

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 24, 2011 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eris --my fave
square Mars

I think you may have an annoying side to you.
You may swing back and forth between aggressive and annoying lol
What say you ? lol

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posted June 24, 2011 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eris --my fave
square Mars

I think you may have an annoying side to you.
You may swing back and forth between aggressive and annoying lol
What say you ? lol

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posted June 24, 2011 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith trine Mercury
You can talk about your deepest ,most primal passions.Is that true

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 24, 2011 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nessus square Saturn
Your abuser energy is cooled by Saturn.I think you are more of a victim type than an abuser type.What do you say lol

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posted June 24, 2011 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ok I will take one at a time Hygeia trine Neptune and Mars.
Hygeia has to do with healing.It can also indicate depression but prolly not with those nice trines.
Are you interested in healing/natural healing?
Are you a healer type of person? I bet you are"

Yeah...I'm into taking my time to recuperate. I like pampering myself every once in a while. I'm not into driving myself into a frenzy like I used to, because it takes a long time to recoop. I'm very in tune with my body, so as soon as I feel slight symptoms, of like for example, sinus congestion....I rest, and try to get rid of it before it gets any worse. Let's say I treat any ailment, even emotional/psychological as if it's the beginning of cancer (well not the frightening part, but just taking it really seriously) and treat it right away.

So much for exercise though...I need to work on that...::shrug:: lol

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posted June 24, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Eris --my fave
square Mars

I think you may have an annoying side to you.
You may swing back and forth between aggressive and annoying lol
What say you ? lol"

I am definitely aggressive...but I don't know if my aggression is on a seesaw with being annoying. I can be aggressive to the point of being annoying, but not one over the other. Makes sense?

However, I stopped being aggressive for a good several years now. So along with it, the annoying part of me is not present. That's in terms of being physically annoying.

In terms of getting to know people, I'm quite direct about wanting to know them, and so I ask blunt questions. If they don't answer, I start pestering them to answer my questions. But of course just recently I started learning to cool that down too, because it still doesn't work. Ugh...

Maybe if you can ask more specific questions about this, I can answer better. But this is so far from what I know about myself in general terms.

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posted June 24, 2011 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Lilith trine Mercury
You can talk about your deepest ,most primal passions.Is that true"

OH HELL TO THE YEAH!!! lol
Only with people I trust though. Remember that leo rising love interest that i have? His moon is in Taurus, though it doesn't conjunct my NN or Lilith. However, one time he gave me an innocent good bye hug (me wearing a sweater and a leather jacket), and OMG!!! 80% of my brain was under the influence and I was struggling really hard to not be like, "hey, forget my train ride going back home to a different state. i wanna go to your place." When I first confessed my feelings to him (on the internet- not directly like email), I told him I was struggling not to tell him to have his way with me right then and there. So yeah...lol

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posted June 24, 2011 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Nessus square Saturn
Your abuser energy is cooled by Saturn.I think you are more of a victim type than an abuser type.What do you say lol"

Um, I was definitely emotionally and psychologically abused when I was young. However, because the aspect is a square, I think, if driven to a point, I can override Saturn and abuse people in retaliation.

As for Vertex, I don't know, because it's odd to think that you can have a secondary dsc. And it's the same as my dsc, just off by a few degrees....so I don't know how to look at it or think about it ::shrug::

Although...now that I think about it. My asc and dsc are around 21 degrees of Pisces and Virgo, respectively. IC and MC are around 25 degrees, Gemini and Sagittarius. So maybe the Vertex (26 something in Virgo) is trying to readjust the asc and dsc to the IC and MC degrees? I don't know...

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posted June 25, 2011 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 25, 2011 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got to give my eyes a rest but your Fascinating posts are next on my list Darlink

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 25, 2011 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireBird:
"Eris --my fave
square Mars

I think you may have an annoying side to you.
You may swing back and forth between aggressive and annoying lol
What say you ? lol"

I am definitely aggressive...but I don't know if my aggression is on a seesaw with being annoying. I can be aggressive to the point of being annoying, but not one over the other. Makes sense?

However, I stopped being aggressive for a good several years now. So along with it, the annoying part of me is not present. That's in terms of being physically annoying.

In terms of getting to know people, I'm quite direct about wanting to know them, and so I ask blunt questions. If they don't answer, I start pestering them to answer my questions. But of course just recently I started learning to cool that down too, because it still doesn't work. Ugh...

Maybe if you can ask more specific questions about this, I can answer better. But this is so far from what I know about myself in general terms.


Yes Pesky IS Eris
That mosquito energy is Eris

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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