posted November 20, 2011 01:49 PM            

1a) you and your position
3 of wands
You are being optimistic. It denotes opportunity,o ften linked to your past. Introductions and invitations spring from established contacts - but not always in the way you imagine. Be open.
Could also denote your wish for a stable fulfilling partnership

1b) him and his position
page of swords
gossip, scandal, flirtation.
As a type his mind is sharp and clear, and he enjoys witty conversations. Communication is hightlighted.

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2a) your subconscious link to him

5 of cups
melancholy
something has been lost. You may be disappointed or hurt by a betrayal or witdrawal, but you sense these things happen for a reason. Be honest with yourself. you have the strength to use a painful episode as a catalyst for growth.

2b) his subconscious link to you
Ace of cups
joy
love,d esire and creativity, romantic. It often denotes a new love relationship, his heart is ready to receive love.

- this is quite puzzling, if you see them both together

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3a) your past
chariot
progress preceded by significant struggle; tenacity, victory

3b) his past
7 of cups
potential but also daydream
he may have felt stressed and confused. He cannot make a decision right now. If he is dating several possible partners, he enjoys the variety and delays getting too involved.

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4a) what you learn or gain from him

Highpriestess
mystery, secrets
other forms of perception, heightened intuitions; secret, mysterous lovers

4b) what he gains or learns from you

2 of pentacles
his energyies are out of balance. Restlessness, lack of focus or uncertanity about money could be affecting relationships. He needs to find harmony in himself.
maybe he is also presented with a choice, which will have profound results in his daily life.

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5a) how the relationship changes or challenges you

hermit
meditation, reclusion
loneliness, solitutde, prudence, spiritual love
But romantic or sexual love often is not manifesting with this

5b) how the relationship changes or challenges him
King of cups
magnetism
powerful emotions, passioante energy

Hmm, your reading is very confusing to me, it is almost as if you are in two different relationships!
For you it seems to bring feelings of sadness, melancholy and solitude, a renouncing of physical love (5 of cups and hermit), probably because of some secrets that are not yet known (highpriestess).
While for him it seems to bring an overflow of romance, though it may happening more in fantasy / dreams than in daily life (Ace of cups, king of cups, 7 of cups). But if he accepts what you can give him, and makes a choice, he might find love (2 of pentacles as making a choice-card).
But he seems wary of expressing emotions too freely or commit (page of sword represents him).

Anyway,

posted November 20, 2011 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, I guess you will have to face it, ,you have a deep emotional connection to each other, that will not simply go away.
But that doesnŽt mean that it will be manifesting right now in the present.
Maybe you will reconcile somewhen later, or this emotional connection will just be an underlying theme in your lives.
or maybe one of you will have to make the first steps towards the other and reestablish a friendly connection.
But of course with someone else involved, well, it is difficult. Even if she may not be the one for him, it depends on waht he wants right now and what experiences he needs to make.
Even soulmates sometimes need to make experiences of their own, which makes a physical separation necessary, though spiritually-emotionally they will still connected through a deep emotional bond.

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posted November 20, 2011 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
12. Yuting - reading
1a) you and your position
3 of wands
You are being optimistic. It denotes opportunity,o ften linked to your past. Introductions and invitations spring from established contacts - but not always in the way you imagine. Be open.
Could also denote your wish for a stable fulfilling partnership

1b) him and his position
page of swords
gossip, scandal, flirtation.
As a type his mind is sharp and clear, and he enjoys witty conversations. Communication is hightlighted.

....But he seems wary of expressing emotions too freely or commit (page of sword represents him).

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As you say, this reading looks confusing. I will try to put as much into context as possible, and maybe you could give me more insight into the interpretation with more context.

posted November 21, 2011 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
12. Yuting - reading

2a) your subconscious link to him

5 of cups
melancholy
something has been lost. You may be disappointed or hurt by a betrayal or witdrawal, but you sense these things happen for a reason. Be honest with yourself. you have the strength to use a painful episode as a catalyst for growth.

2b) his subconscious link to you
Ace of cups
joy
love,d esire and creativity, romantic. It often denotes a new love relationship, his heart is ready to receive love.

- this is quite puzzling, if you see them both together

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3a) your past
chariot
progress preceded by significant struggle; tenacity, victory

3b) his past
7 of cups
potential but also daydream
he may have felt stressed and confused. He cannot make a decision right now. If he is dating several possible partners, he enjoys the variety and delays getting too involved.

5a) how the relationship changes or challenges you

hermit
meditation, reclusion
loneliness, solitutde, prudence, spiritual love
But romantic or sexual love often is not manifesting with this

5b) how the relationship changes or challenges him
King of cups
magnetism
powerful emotions, passioante energy

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I guess I was disappointed/hurt by his withdrawal. Before the 1st date, he was quite enthusiastic. And even right after 1st date, he still seemed interested and we were talking about meeting up again when I would be back in town. Then suddenly, after a week, he started to withdraw, moving from daily sms to nothing for whole week. No more mention of meeting up. And he was mentioning his ex on his facebook page. After a few more weeks, then suddenly he warmed up again. Suddenly, around Christmas a few weeks later he said he'd taken some days off and we could meet up. But he wouldnt say a specific time, and one day he asked if I had time that evening, and I said yes. But he withdrawn & cancelled the date last minute. Again saying he's not ready (his ex). I supposed that was the end, but he started to msg me again on daily basis after a few days. We kept msging for a few months, but we did not meet up again until 5mths later and only because I went to meet him at his show. 2nd real date was late Jul.

This kind of warm and cold is probably where my melancholy, solitutde and loneliness is from. And maybe because I feel these things happen for a reason, I hang in there, and the strength card might indicate the gradual warming on his part in the recent months. Yet, I still feel he's the high priestess to me, no idea what he really thinks about me and us.

So I am taking a prudent, reserved route (Hermit), and hold back from getting too physically initimate and from letting myself go too freely. Though, I can see where the passion cards for him come from. He was quite passionate every time we met in person, but I was just not ready for that kind of initimacy with so many clouds.

Well, maybe it is good you help me do the reading, so at least I know his attraction and interest is real. Could I take it that his indecisiveness is within himself and his past, thus when asked from his perspective how he saw me and the relationship, it did not show the negativities.

posted November 21, 2011 12:26 AM            

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12. Yuting - reading
4a) what you learn or gain from him

Highpriestess
mystery, secrets
other forms of perception, heightened intuitions; secret, mysterous lovers

4b) what he gains or learns from you

2 of pentacles
his energyies are out of balance. Restlessness, lack of focus or uncertanity about money could be affecting relationships. He needs to find harmony in himself.
maybe he is also presented with a choice, which will have profound results in his daily life.

6. karmic purpose
page of wands
there is a stirring of passion, but I am not sure how lasting this might be.
warmth, movement. Invitations, conversations and short trips widen the horizon. A perfect time and relationship to relax and have fun.

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Hmmm...still can't quite put my fingers on what my lesson is. To trust my intuition? Lesson yet to be found?

For him, wondering if I am supposed to be the catalyst to put his past relationship into perspective, ie to treasure the memory, but not living in memory?

Karmic lesson: To loosen up and live for and enjoy the moment?

posted November 21, 2011 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by yuting:

Karmic lesson: To loosen up and live for and enjoy the moment?

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Yes, that is how I would read it.

posted November 21, 2011 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by babycolors:
dear ceridwen

can i ask for a reading too ??

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You`re no 16.

posted November 21, 2011 07:59 AM            

1a) you / your position

5 pentacles
lack
loss, lack, poverty, financieal, difficulties, loneliness, low self-esteem. Emotional reserves are depleted, but change is around the corner, if you persevere.

2a) him and his position

knight pentacles
determination
an ambitious hardworking young man with clearly definied goals. He can seem shy, even dull, but his endearing qualities reveal themselves if you get to know him. if you are interested, be patient. He will hold back from deep involvement until he`s sure he can trust you

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2a) your subconscious link to him
Queen of Pentacles
he may awaken your practical, sensual side, as this card represents a kind, ,practical and loving woman, hard-working.
you prefer long term liasons and if he will wpass, you will be loyal to him for a long time.
I think this dentoes your interest in a committed lasting relationship.

2b) his subconscious link to you

lovers
union; sacred marriage; romance; choices

You both have strong feelings for each other, underlying your connection, and both are interested in a "real" relationship between equals.

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3a) your past
6 of swords

movement; a troubled phase in your relationship is ending, or a stressful time is nearing the end. Could also denote travel in the past.
Did you recently move?
Or does that relate to a difficult stagnant situation that you moved away from?

3b) 9 of swords
oppression; anxiety, fear, heartache; a difficult time, a painful break-up, dark night of the soul

I think this denotes that both of you, but especially him, have been through an exhausting painful episode in your lives. In his case there might still mental blocks residing from that painful experience, fears, negative thoughts that he has to address and solve.

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4a) what you learn or gain

Ace of wands
spark of enthusiasm and passion; creativity; imagination, fertility (even conception - so be careful ). A relationship is just beginning. Mutual attraction inspires you to channel more creativity into your love life

4b) what he gains
knight of wands

spontaneity, impetuous, flirtatious, but also runs away if things get too demanding, sometimes fear of commitment

But in a nutshell both of you gain zest, enthusiasm and a passionate, warm, creative spark from your connection (wand-cards).

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5a) how the relationship challenges you

10 wands
overload
overworking; obsession; aspirations could interfere with the relationship; being challenged to make time for your partner and just have fun instead of working so hard that you are squeezing the fun out of life

5b) how the relationship challenges him

4 of swords
he needs to find some peace and quite and restore his inner equilibrium. He is mentally exhausted and needs to stop and feed his mind ans spirit.

It seems that both of you are hard working people (pentacles as your significators), but both of you seem to overdo it, so that you are getting completely exhausted and depleted of all energy (challenge 10 of wands and 4 of swords).
Maybe this relationship is there to make you aware of the importance of rest and relaxation, and if you do that, it can give you zest for life, fun and warmth and passion (wands as gain or what is to be realized).

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6. karmic purpose

5 cups
disappointment, melancholy.
Something has been lost. ppossible disappointment and hurt by a betrayal or withdrawal, but things happen for a reason.
Having to say goodbye to something and dealing with the loss.

I am not totally sure if this means that the purpose of your relationship really is to break it up again, after you learned what was there to learn, and then it might signify a worthwile, emotional, though passing connection, at least not the end of all things.

posted November 21, 2011 08:37 AM            

"who this person is whom i have strong feelings for? what is he doing in my life? i feel extremely strong connection with him . does he also feel for me in the similar manner as i feel for him? what will be the outcome of this association? i feel he needs some kind of healing as i do at this point ... do you see this relationship is for life or short lived ? what do i need to know to make this experience everlasting ?"
i am sorry for too many questions but they are extensions of the same question "who he is?" ..!

posted November 21, 2011 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
4a) what you learn or gain from him

Highpriestess
mystery, secrets
other forms of perception, heightened intuitions; secret, mysterous lovers

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Any suggestion what it is I am supposed to gain/learn?

posted November 21, 2011 11:59 AM            

1a) you and your position

Judgement
Awakening; ressurection; rebirth; karma; clarity; decisions

(Probably THE tarotcard for signifying karmic relationships)

1b) him and his position

5 of wands
competition; he may experience inner conflicts, new desires, or uncomfortable emotions, or clashing with his partner.

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2a) your subconsciou link to him

Queen of wands
warmth; fiercely loyal; generous; passioante, sensual, flirtatous, humourous intelligence, intense. maybe he also makes you feel special

2b) his subconscious link to you

7 of cups
daydreaming; confusion; obsessive fantasies sometimes, sometimes deception or selfdeception.

I think he might not really see you for what you really are, but rather sees his dream of you in you.

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3a) your past
King of wands

a vibrant, enthusiastic, charismatic character with good sense of humour; maybe a secret lover or someone unavailable.
Or it just means that you met a passionate, creative man.

3b) his past
page of cups

the first stirrings of love and desire; dreams; joy and happiness;
maybe it denotes how he fell in love with you.

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4a) what you gain or learn

7 pentacles
you may be questioning your lifestyle, life choices or relationship status. This is a period of growth, but it is taking place out of sight. but there might be an abundant harvest in the future, if you have patience.

4b) what he gains or learns
hermit

spiritual wisdom; solitude; prudence, spiritual love

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5a) how the relationship changes or challenges you

queen of swords
You are an intelligent, communicative person, but sometimes deeper connections are a challenge. Maybe you found intimate feelings threatening, and then this could be the relationship that teaches you to open up emotionally.

The booklet mentions this could be a secret love,t hough I do not udnerstand the association. Anyway is it a secret love?

5b) how the relationship changes or challenges him

Knight of cup
extremely emotional; romance; an important love relationship; it can sometimes only be a brief romantic interlude.

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6 karmic essence / p urpos

5 of cups
emotional distress, melancholy, disappointment: Something has been lost. There may be disappointment or hurt over a betrayal or withdrawal.

posted November 21, 2011 10:14 PM            

1. What did you mean when you said "Probably THE tarotcard for signifying karmic relationships"

2. yes he makes me feel so special. he's like no other guy i've known. the queen of wands totally describes me. I'm not sure about the way he feels. I think there's some confusion though.

3. Yes the guy I was previously interested in has those characteristics and was definitely unavailable.

4. I am wondering how he feels about me and going through some changes with school ending, graduating, etc.

posted November 23, 2011 01:57 PM            

First off, IŽd say this must be a very important time for you, or maybe just this question is important; I drew three Major aracan`s on your side of the reading.

1a) you and your position:

lovers
union; sacred marriage; romance, choices
I guess love and relationship might be very much on your mind, and maybe you even have to make a choice concerning relationship, or a new relationship is forming for you.

1b) she and her position

King of Cups
magnetism; erotic, romantic, imaginative; powerful emotions; passionate

I think romantic love is definitely on her mind as well, maybe even in an overpowering way (can there be anything bigger than a king? )

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2a) your subconscious link to her

Moon
dreams; unconcious forces; psychic awareness, secrets;

I think the link is possibly a very romantic one, maybe even feeling like soulmates. But there is still much unsaid, much unclear. A tender thread that links you to her, but which may lack in realism as of now. Maybe you even like it to be that way, more ethereal and watery as of now. Or you are not yet certain about the realness and lastingness of your feelings. Though personally I like the Moon for her magical romantic vibe.

2b) her subconscious link to you

9 pentacles
pleasure; sensual pleasure; material security;

there probably is a sensual attraction on her side, and with the pentacles involved, she wants to make this connection "real".

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3a) your past

Death
change, transition, rebirth, inevitable change, endings of cycles.

I think in your past something, maybe a relationship, ended and you are at the beginning of a compeltel new cycle in your love life.

3b) her past

8 of cups
She was leaving a relationship or way of thinking behind. There may have been a rejection of any kind, but any parting came at the right time, as her seearch for a deeper love has already begun.

It seems that both of you had been moving away from something, maybe a break-up of any kind, and you are both now beginning something new in your life.

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4a) what is realized in your life through her

9 cups
emotional and physical wellbeing; peak experiences; joyful fulfillment; love and harmony; new levels of intimacy and mutual pleasure

4bb) what is realized in her life through you

8 of swords
Bondage, restriction, feeling as if she has no control over the development

Seems she is better for you than you for her, hu?

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5a) how the relationship changes or challenges you

6 of wands
success; achievement; artistic inspiration; a turning point, g,ood news, rewards. It also suggests that your work is closely linked to your personal life. Perhaps you work with your partner
getting ones dreams fulfilled, being appreciated

5b) how the relationship changes or challenges her

Ace of Cups
joy; love; desire; romance; a new love relationship, this connection sets her on the the right path, as now her heart is ready to receive love; but as this is an Ace, it seems like it is all very fresh and new; it is just the beginning.

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6a) karmic purpose

3 of pentacles
First of all it is a pentacles card,w hich seems promising, as these denote a certain grounding and the possibility to actually manifest a relationship in reality. (I ahve come to appreciate the pentacles quite a lot. lol)

encouragement and praise - often linked with work or artistic projects. A more comfortable home is another meaning: you and your partner you could seen be making a cosy nest together.

Career may be on focus for both of you; or you are in talks to make this relationship happen in practical ways.

posted November 23, 2011 03:28 PM            

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Hi Ceridwen.. Thanks for the reading... can't remember when I asked you and can't find question on thread.. Hey ho!

Your reading seems to be spot on.. Relationships have been on my mind for a while and whether thats building on something or the start of something else time will soon tell I feel. Which also means I can't comment on some of your reading right now.
Feel sorry for her if Bondage and restriction is the best she can realise with me.
As for How relationship changes us... Some of my work the part I really want to get into is definitely linked to my personal life.
I definitely want to find more grounding and to make relationship happen in reality. Ummmm wish I could give better feedback!

posted November 26, 2011 09:41 AM            

1a) you and your position
6 of cups.
the card of nostalgia. Memorizing and reflecting on love and feelings, often stemming from the past (maybe even a past life?).
past lovers, old friends and happy memories hold the key to your happiness now. An old relationship might be renewed, or a friend you have not seen for a while could introduce you to someone intriguing. This influence is directly linked to your history.
As this is the soulmate-spread, I think it could even point to influences of a past life lover.

But this card also contains an advice:
Letting go of the past is crucial to your happiness. It is time to move on and change old patterns of thought and behaviour. What do you need to say goodbye to? Search in your heart for the answer and make a new beginning.

1b) hierophant
this is linked with the tanglible world, order, society.
it might signify a time in which he might feel the need to find a purpose for his own life.
Maybe spiritual values become more important in his life as before.

In love tarot it can also signify the sacred ritual of marriage, spiritual unions.
Sometimes it refers to soulmates or relationships that share a deep connection.

All these things may be of some significance in his life now, and it seems like he is searching for his true (spiritual) place in life.

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2a) your subconscious link to him

Fool
The card of new beginnings!
It seems like you are starting a brand new cycle, maybe also in a karmic sense.
This represents spontaneous attractions, change and new beginning, though noone can say at this stage where this all will lead to.
It is a brand new start.
It is about that blind jump into the unknown, with only the faith (but no guarantee) that you will land safely on your two feet.

You are subconsciously drawn to him because you need that new beginning, that courage and willingness to plunge into the depth of an emotional connection,e ven though you do not know what is going to happen. But whatever, it will be an exciting journey!

Maybe it also signifies that you feel about him, like you have been falling in love for the very first time.

2b) his subconscious linkage to you

Queen of pentacles
He sees you as a grounding influence, a warm, loving, sensual, loyal person who strives for a committed relationship.
Probably it also reflects on his own wishes and feelings, and he might feel a warm, sensual flow of emotion towards you.

This one also indicates that there is a great sincerity to the link, and that there is a wish or need to materialize it in a stable way in the "real world".

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3a) your past

Strenght
in the past a feeling of fixed, loyal, unconditional love came into your life. An union of the instinctual and spiritual nature within you.
Maybe you also needed to show much strength and courage in this relationship, or it made y ou feel very much alive.

3b) his past
emperor
seems he is pretty serious about this relationship, and wants to give it a structure (the emperor, hierophant and Queen ofpentacles all point to this).
There is a very protective, responsible side to him as well, but maybe he sometimes had difficulties to express his feelings.

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4a) what is realized in your life through him

Page of cups
the first stirrings of love! Start of a new love relationship.
But also dreams of love and you will need to have a reality check now and then to see what is going to become of your love-dreams.
Sometimes it also refers to proposals and engagement.
It seems to bring happy news on the love sector.

4b) what is realized in his life through you
4 of swords
It seems like he is exhausted from times before and in serious need of rest and healing. And maybe the relationship with you will give him exactly that. an opportunity to rest his soul and find some quiet peace within.

There might be a risk of a certain frustration and stagnancy in your relationship though, as well, at least at the moment.

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5a) how the relationship is challenging you

5 of pentacles
this is a card of lack. Either a lack of financial or emotional security.
sometimes it also refers to loneliness or low selfesteem. It seems like you are constantly doubting and secondguessing yourself and the relationship.
But since the 5 is the card of change, it also means that if you be patient and persevere, things will start looking up eventually.
So the challenge for you is to be patient.

Sometimes it can also seem to you as if you and your partner are functioning of two separate planes of reality, and sometimes it will not be easy to stay in communication. You will have to work for this.

5b) how the relationship challenges him
2 of pentacles
He`s got to make a choice. I think that summarizes his biggest challenge in this relationship.
should he give it a chance or look out for other, seemingly easier options?
He is doubting and fluctuating between: Shall I stay or shall I go?

Sometiems it relates to having two love interests. Is there someone else in his life, or maybe even a memory you are competing with?

Ultimately he will have to give up trying to control the outcome of this relationship and just go with its flow and have a little faith it will work out in the end.

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6. karmic purpose

the tower.
Wow! What a dramatic karmic card!

This relationship is all about change, transformation, leaving behind the old and start a whole new.
Disruptive change, old structures collapsee as they cannot withstand the force of the new.
Sometimes it also might herald fated lovers, who are consumed with a compulsive attraction for each other that will sweep away all that was.

There might be a risk though that it is not just previous structures that need to be changed, but the relationship between you two itself, that need to "collapse" and being placed on a different foundation.

You need to be VERY honest with yourselves. If both or one of you are clinging to the relationship because of the familiarity of the past, when you have really outgrown it and there needs to be something new, then it will collapse, and it will do so in a big dramatic way.

But if that is not the case, and it is really the past that needs to be left behind, then this relationship could be the catalyst for it.

Well, sometimes it could even be both things.

But ultimately this is about the big transformational change for the both of you.

posted November 27, 2011 10:14 AM            

dear ceridwen

thank you so much for an elaborate reading . it indeed was helpful in understanding few aspects of this situation . however , i couldn't really connect to the points under "my past" and "karmic purpose" .

- i have never had anyone in my past as described by you . infact, my love life has always been bad in terms of feeling "spiritual n alive" . there was no unconditional love ever there . could this strength card in this position mean something else ? i am sorry but it doesn't resonate with my love life in the past.

- also you have mentioned that tower card in karmic purpose position means this relationship is going to be transformational for both of us . but we are not in a relationship right now. it's just i know him n he knows me for few days. i don't even know what he is thinking because there is a great lack of communication already . so i was wondering how this "tower" card is going to manifest itself in this situation ? it's me who feels that i know him already ,though haven't told him anything about it,and that there is a great pull towards him all the time. i don't know how he is feeling . do you think he also has got feelings for me as i do for him or it's just me who is under the influence of "cups" energy at the moment . only if you have time could you please provide some insight as i really am in a state of flux right now and want to understand this situation.

other than these two cards i guess every point you have mentioned resonates well and i reread it quite many times as it was so accurate .

thank you so much again for spending time to read for me . i thoroughly enjoyed the reading .

posted November 27, 2011 10:51 AM            

" but we are not in a relationship right now. "
Relationship = connection.
There is a connection there, even if it is "just" an emotional or spiritual one.

"is a great pull towards him all the time. i don't know how he is feeling . do you think he also has got feelings for me as i do for him or it's just me who is under the influence of "cups" energy at the moment .I "
The Tower will bring transformations and changes, which could either mean that behaviour from the past will be changed, but in some cases it could also mean that the purpose lies in the breaking up of your cconnection, even though it is still fresh and new.

I donŽt know which one it will be to be honest.