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starlitroad
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posted April 16, 2014 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem..and it wasn't mushy it was nice of you, thanks^^ I didn;t see the moon either ) I completely forgot about it :"> and I feel a bit better how are u?

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posted April 16, 2014 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm back to my old lazy self, but the crisis is still ahead, I think. I must prepare myself for it. Leeloo has given me a site to look at Fixed Stars: http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htm

But read it with a grain of salt, many of the interpretations are so negative they can't be true .

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posted April 16, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh! Be brave..and what kind of crisis do you mean? an emotional one? I am here..we can talk if it helps even a bit
And thank you for the list!
I will put my doubts before my eyes..so my day won't get cloudy...I actually asked for an opinion on a site for fixed stars and the reply was to not bother that much and read much into them..because they are fixed afterall and won't matter and diffuse the chart amazingly..so it's oky^^

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posted April 16, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the offer, you're sweet, but I'm sure everyone tells you that :d. Yes it's an emotional one, but it comes by circumstances, to sum it up: I can't find job to finance my study; my bf, now my ex, doesn't ready for deep commitment; my parents don't think I can pull off this year. I don't like talking about it because it feels like whining and I'm uncomfortable ^^. So I'll just deal with it when it comes, and in the meantime enjoy spending time with my friends here on LL.

Do read about the Fixed Stars, they don't move much but when your personal planets fall on them, it means something, just don't believe every negative things about it . My Sun/Mercury on Antares and according to some articles: it means violent death, dishonesty, someone who enjoys become violent to others, fame and wealth that eventually become my undoing It's a bit stretch in my opinion but that's the interpretation from ancient time, with war, power and strength being the be all or end all. In modern time we must look at it differently.
I recently found out your Sun is on Alcyone.
The Sabians for your Sun is:

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A glass-bottomed boat in still water. Keywords: curiosity, a person who can see or reveal hidden aspects of life, a situation which shows a hidden aspect, feelings revealed, intuition, emotions, feelings.

It's from the astrologycritics site.

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posted April 17, 2014 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Tulip,
you are not whinning and it doesn't even sound like you are whinning!
I am sorry to hear that I know it must be difficult for you, but with the boy ( even if most of the ppl will tell you this, it's true) there are 2 things that can happen, either he realises that he loves you too much and no matter how he backs off, he'd still want to be by your side and slide his fear of commitment, either he was not right for you from the start...you wanting a deep, unbreakable bond, and he being afraid of it...might get you in trouble for the long haul for both of you..this is all I can tell, and I'll stop, because I know you don't need clumsy or weared off quotes, or things that everybody says...I know what it feels like so I am here , anytime: ) I mean it, you are not whinnin, you are sharing your problems, which is perfectly normal, acceptable and it shows that you are not vulnerable, but strong and humane.
As for the job, what can I say..in a couple of months , I'll be walking right in your shoes..is complicated to find a job these days, but you should not loose hope. And try to talk to your parrents, support is important at any age, maybe you are more of an independent, private type, but afterall, they should encourage you and trust you. I believe you can pull things off. It just cannot be all the time dark and cloudy. > <
oh! And abb the fixed stars I wasn't accurate with the answer I received, the person mentioned that if the fixed star is conjunct a personal planet, that it is important for the chart! ( I forgot and re-read the answer again ) yes, the predictions are pretty scarry, hehe..but than we need to adapt. ^^ I read it both for you and for me..For me I always had throat problems and since 16 a bad eyesight which made me to wear glasses.hopefully I won't die stabbed )
And thank you for the sabian symbol! lovely..I will spend my day on them ( is it that I should look for every symbol here..or the sabians is only for the sun? I meant for ex if I have mars in aries..and I look at aries sabian for that degree is it correct? or the sabian is only for the sun? -maybe it's a silly question AND I read that for example the planet is at 17'23 taurus, I must read for 18, not 17? Is it true? I found it here" Using the Symbols in Astrology Readings
How does one use the Sabian Symbols in astrology?

When looking up the Symbol for a planet or placement in a chart, one must round up the degree to the next whole number i.e., if the planet is at 27.15 Pisces, you should read Pisces 28. This is because the zodiac starts at 00.00 Aries and the Symbols begin at Aries 1. So, even if the degree you're looking at is 27.00 Pisces, you would still read Pisces 28. Having said that, it should be emphasized that the Symbol for the degree before (i.e. Pisces 27) will shine a lot of light on the issue being investigated - the degree before indicates the 'karmic' issues of the planet or placement, a talent that's been brought through or an issue that needs to be worked out and possibly let go of. Think of the interpretations applied to the moon's south node as a guide to the degree before. The degree after (Pisces 29) is also very illuminating.) "
Sending you my love!!
And my 2 ears and eyes.. if u wanna share anything else!^^
p.s ( my sabian sun is reaaaaly accurate,hihi)

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posted April 17, 2014 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am glad that you understand my true intentions, I am glad to be here and listen From what u said abb the boy..what I see is that you have fallen in love,deeply...:-<
I can also feel you on opening up..cappy asc is no better at this but I do talk , only after the problems are gone ) but is not always a good idea, u know..so we must really try
hmm I like games:x yeeey! fun
well:
Moon: A child of about five with a huge shopping bag. haha this sounds cute..I have always been the mature type..so early awareness..maturity
Mercury : A woman holding a bag out of a window. hmm..it says comandeering the elements of experience ) but ineptness in handling problems..well..sometimes I lack practical sense, which is weird
( there are a lots of bags in here^^ )
Venus: A mounted Indian with a scalp locks.
courage, arrogance, power, aggression, strong will, conflicts, people who wants to make an impression, pride, authority, need to command. , arrogance and need to command not so much...with the rest I agree..I am pretty agressive, which is also weird )

p.s ( can u please tell me/ If u want only! your name/ or real life nick-name? I like Tulip, but I suppose is not your name, only if u want)

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posted April 18, 2014 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted April 18, 2014 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I see that my post has gone MIA again. I only open up when the problems passed too , and this time my problems linger quite a long time, about a year now, so you can guess how I cope. Uyen is my real name, not sure how you pronounce that in English, or you can call me Su, it's my pet name .

The bag in Sabians doesn't sound bad. Well, it's to be contain something to carry with you, to a woman it can also mean an intimate object. I look at your Sabians on cafeastrology, the five-year-old child is carrying a bag full of groceries. It could mean that you'll have emotional fulfillment if you works hard for what you want.
The Mercury Sabian is not bad either, communication is your way of release, what you keep inside must be brought out and cleaned, maybe I'm being too literal with it.
Your Venus Sabian, I don't think about arrogance either. I think of fearlessness and fierceness.

About the ex with the Moon falls in your 8th house. I mentioned it before because I can see how he affects you deeply. Of course you have Venus/Pluto is also a sign of go deep in love, but not everyone triggers you that way. The 8th house is where we merge with other on the intimacy level. It's a water house, well maybe it's just me, but water to me is very poweful. It could be tender like the waves embrace the shore and it could be fierce, wear thin the rough edges of rocks and stones. The 8th house is the house where you're hungry to experience intimacy. Think of it in relation to the 2nd house, because how you deal with intimacy in the 8th depends much on how secured you're with yourself: the work of the 2nd house. Your 2nd/8th axis has intercepted sign Pisces/Virgo. I'm not knowledge about intercepted sign, just that it can create confusion due to a lack of tangible ground. Now this boy puts his Moon in your 8th, behold water ruler merges with water house. He gets under your skin. But Moon in Libra doesn't express emotions like water Moon sign would, so he's not comfortable with this placement, I guess, unless his Moon has others aspects to help him get in touch with his emotions. Sorry I'm rambling, sometimes I don't know what I'm talking about .
So your T-square is projected into the Composite? Why don't you put it on here, I want to take a look, it sounds quite a handful. I'll get back to you later.
P/S: the Solar Eclipse is on 29th.

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posted April 18, 2014 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohh...I am sorry to hear that:( it takes time to heal, but give yourself that opportunity, to move on, even if it hurts...but try to think of it everyday. You have to be prepared to be happy. I learned on my own skin, that past doesn;t move you forward, until I trully accepted that , I couldn't be out of the pain:)
Lovely name! I also like your pet name, sounds cute..so I don;t know how to call you better..which one u preffer?

The sabian symbols are pretty neat, I enjoy watching them even for other people.

Have a great day, Su ^^
sending u the right charts;)

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posted April 18, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear, I don't have experience in reading synastry, but could you post other charts that don't include all aspects line? I can't see clearly, I mean, too much lines and I get lost.

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posted April 18, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course!! Sorry..yes, the chart it's a mess..omg
here is the synastry - I kept chiron and lunar nodes

Thank you, dear!!> <

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posted April 19, 2014 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope u are allright ?! ^^

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posted April 19, 2014 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Camy, I'm still alive .

So I've looked at your synastry and I'll just remark on what stood out to me.

You have a packed 1st and 4th house, he triggers both that in your chart. His Uranus/Neptune on your ASC and his Venus on your IC. He touched you deep. See that his Uranus is his DSC ruler and Venus his IC ruler? Those are the keys for a probably life-long attraction and appreciation.
Vertex conjunct North Node denotes a fateful relationship. You're meant to meet and learn together.
I think I see some difficulties with his Saturn opposite your Chiron tightly. You have Chiron in 7th house which could mean your deepest wound come from relationships, and his Saturn is opposite that. Saturn and Chiron in synastry can be heartbreaking, Saturn can be rather cold and lack compassion for Chiron.
His Pluto triggers your T-square, Pluto in his chart doesn't rule any house because Scorpio is intercepted in 4th. I don't know how it can play out but guess he don't care/be aware of the destructive tendency in him. Pluto is a wild card in his chart, as in yours.
He has Sun opposite Moon and you puts your Mars on his Sun. Sun-Moon hard aspect is not an easy one to deal with because the people with this aspect will be conflicting themself. Wait, I just noticed he has a T-square with Sun/Uranus/Moon, in relationships he's very inconsistent, prefer a lot of time for himself and may even chose to be alone even when he desperately want to have a relationship.
Well, I'd say you definitely have come together to learn lessons, and it could be quite a long time too.
The composite: Sun/Mercury/Venus/Mars all in 1st house. Etablish a relationship is the goal of this union. Venus/Mars point to a romantic merging.
The relationship is fraught with conflicts represent by the Venus/Mars opposite Pluto and of course, square Saturn. There are many fights with intermittent periods of coldness like the two of you didn't care where the relationship is going. There is something resembles a Grand Cross but the orb is too wide. Well, I'll take a bet and interpret it as a Grand Cross anyway. The Grand Cross in composite is a very powerful configuration, there will be a lot of tensions between the two of you but you find that you can't escape from each other, it's very hard for you to walk away. My friend and her husband have a tight Grand Cross in their composite and they fight EVERYDAY, sometimes really violently. So it's up to you, if you choose this relationship than you have a lot of works to do together, and expect a lot of pain too. But being the optimist person that I am, I'd say there's no healing without pain.

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posted April 19, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it resonated then, I'm getting better at this, I'm glad ^^. Yeah I know about the Stability need, and it's very hard to find with an uranian person like that. Me and my ex have double whammy Sun conjunct Uranus , but those are our angle rulers: my IC ruler conjunct his IC ruler, his MC ruler conjunct my MC ruler...our ASC oppose each other, you can guess the glue I feel for him. I found that astrology help providing me some closure, or a mean to release the obssession :d. What you have with this guy is intense, the North Node/Vertex may keep you in each other's life even when he moves away. Love is very complexe, isn't it? Yet no matter what happened, I know that I have changed for the better because of him and I'll always be grateful for this.
With the Pisces boy, you can look at composite chart and see if there's any conjunction/opposition to your planets or his to see if and how this relationship affects the two of you.

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posted April 20, 2014 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it resonated? It was extremely accurate^^ great. .well ascendant opp ascendant is STRONG ..really a soulmate aspect, I can understand you even better now> :D<

It;s great that you changed for the better and that I learned some lessons..you see..so we both agree that there is always a positive thing even in the most negative situations^^
abb the other boy..
You are so kind in helping me..I suggest to have more confidence in you and help other people , ask them if what you say it fits the theme...if it is accurate, you'd be a real bless on this site. For me it worked
Hugs, dear Su!

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posted April 20, 2014 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Camy, I think I can deal with crazy people in my life, but Scorpio crazy and not Aqua crazy . I don't like surprises, and Uranus makes me uncomfortable. What I find hard to deal with is that I can't talk to friends and family about this experience. To them I shouldn't mourn the relationship because he doesn't commit to me. A friend even asked me if I'm sure it's love. Why is my love less meaningful because the other person doesn't commit? I know they want what's best for me but they also make me feel like a stupid and pathetic person. Is it wrong that I still love someone that has hurt me, even when I chose to end our relationship? He is like family to me. For a time I tried to convince myself that they're right, that there's nothing special about it. And I thought I was successful in forgetting about him, until one day there was someone appeared at the office who looks like him and even has the same gestures. My heart literally broke. That's when I requestioned my feelings for him. They are real and in denying them I have denied a beautiful part of myself. I suppose my friends can't get this because they all have heavy Scorpio in their chart and to them everything is all or nothing. I used to be like them, but hating him has hurt me so much that only when I choose love, I can find peace and probably healing too. Maybe I'm blind and crazy, but it's the only way that works for me. Wow, it's a relief to said this out loud. Whew!

Back to you and your Pisces love, they say until you learn your lesson, you'll meet the exact same issues that you have in previous relationships. That is, you get another chance to make it right. So the Venus/Pluto don't always have to be a bad omen for you. You can put your other composite here and we could speculate together. I love looking at composite more than synastry . Why are you dissapointed with the composite Moon in 9th house? I'm curious, I don't know much about this position so I'd really want to know your opinions. And thank you for listening, you're remarkable yourself, I hope you know that.

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posted April 21, 2014 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Su! ^^ I like surprises, but only pleasant or interesting ones:)) on the other hand ..I feel a bit walking in the unknown with scorpio energy? It seems more hidden, powerfull to me than the crack-brained uranian people:)) guess that I might be more uranus-open? ( and I have a thing for aquarian boys ..and ofc aries boys) as it tightly conj my asc/ and not so sure abb pluto since he's a singleton in my chart..and as you said a wild card:)

As for your feelings, I honestly thing they are not meant to be hidden, and your love is not less, ON THE OPPOSITE. It is more. You have this capacity to love this boy, and incorporate it into your inner self in order to be a better person. It is deff not your fault that he is afraid, your love is precious and I dare say the truest form I've seen, because even if you don't meet with him, he's become a part of you and your thoughts regardless of the suffering and longing :)
Parents/friends might just want you to "eliberate" from this , since they see the practical reality(maybe) and that u too are not together so you don't have to love him anymore, but I am sure they don't want to harm you and if they hurt, they do it unintentionately. I am happy that u can talk to me and you are not blind nor crazy, just try not to be consumed negatively by all this. I mean keep your feelings positive and refreshing but do not cut yourself from love alltoogether. Use this for your internal happiness, but how should I put this, transcend the love you feel for him, into love for yourself and into love for the idea of love:) and even love for the boy( hope I make any sense?!.. :( )

I am here, have a day full of light

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posted April 21, 2014 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Camy, it's what I'm trying to do, loving myself and my loved ones, I just need to go at it my own way ^^.

I just looked at the composite. This relationship is more stronger what than people see. And how can you manage to have Vertex conjunct DSC in both those composites ? It's a fated-relationship marker.

9th house is also a house of higher meaning, there's a sense in coming together for something that is bigger than the two of you. I think it's quite romantic. However, it's a fire house and the Moon is there, I guess emotions are being burned out with a risk of concentrate too much on the dreams and ideas and not the actual reality. I know it's too literal but I can't think of something else right now. Moon trine Sun in 1st, I like this, the classic compatible factor.

I see the Sun square Saturn you pointed out. With Saturn and the square, it represents some block that prevent the relationship to happens. So if the Sun and Saturn is also link to another planet, this planet will help. I see they both aspect Mars in 11th, the planet of action in a friendly house, how fitting. Look to see how composite Mars is linked to your chart or his, to see who can take the initiative to remove this block.

Chiron is prominent, not because it's conjunct IC, your intimate place together, but it's also a part of a Mystic Rectangle with Venus opposite Pluto, Neptune opposite Chiron. Every relationship have Chiron, I also have Chiron very prominent in my composite with friends. And by prominent that I mean a planetery pattern. Yours is about healing, I think. Not bad at all.

The most difficult thing I see is Mercury in 12th house square Jupiter in 3th. Jupiter is 9th house ruler, so I guess it's involved moving. This will create a block to communication. Planet in composite 12th house denotes a karmic connection. You have some unfinished matter to navigate together. There will be fights over this, perhaps even a change of heart. It's only a guess so don't take it too personal.

I'll be eager for your feedback. Not everything is set in stone, astrology mostly.

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posted April 21, 2014 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Su, follow your heart, only your heart!

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posted April 21, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, Camy, perhaps you don't think this relationship is fated like the other one because you do not have Vertex contact in synastry?

He has a child from the past relationship may be indicated by Chiron/IC I think. No matter what you do, this will be what you must accept in this relationship, and it'll not be an easy one. You're still young and I can understand your mother reaction. But at the end of the day, it's the journey that matters the most. I think your composite Mercury denotes communication that create confusion. The key is not to try and work with it like the synastry, but taking a leap of faith that your journey together is a gift and meant to be.


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posted April 21, 2014 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uhm, but about vertex, you mentioned abb having it conj the desc in this synastry, so isn't like uhm, having vertex here? I am asking bcz I don't know if I have it or not..
And it's true, facts are facts, I am aware of that. oh and a baby is not a fact, is a miracle:) I will manage to do something abb it. I am positive!:)
Thank you for your time and advice, Su!

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posted April 21, 2014 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand your question ^^. You have Composite Vertex conjunct DSC in those two composites, but with the other guy you also have Vertex conjunct North Node. It's by the synastry aspects that you feel most strongly, you feel the other person is fated for you. The composite describes the relationship itself so Vertex/DSC would point to the two of you get together (DSC).

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posted April 21, 2014 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh!!! I forgot...I forgot abb vertex conjunct NN in synastry that made me feel like that, I imagined I only have vertex conj desc for BOTH charts,and in composite, sorry! Now I understand! :)

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posted April 22, 2014 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starlitroad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Su! how is it going?
I've been thinking a lot abb music recently, what do you think abb it, do you enjoy music? I really feel a need to heal through songs, I am more of a musicofile than a cinemafile:)
if u like it, what kind of aspects in your chart u think are related to music, or as an outlet to music?
any thoughts on that? :)

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