posted December 10, 2001 12:24 AM         

VR...they are right. Since you said you never remember dream, the UNI-Verse just loves making us eat our words...so NOW you will start remembering

Ra

posted December 10, 2001 01:29 PM         

Let me preface this interpretationby saying that this dream is different than most of the others we have talked about here before, as it deals with information, energies, or communications that originate from outsidepersonal consciousness, as opposed to originating from within the subconsciousness or unconsciousness.

I am looking at the dream from two different perspectives which become obvious in this sort of dream. There is the "standard" symbolic approach and interpretation, of which there is much, and which is a product of your own mind and what/how it understands. There is also the layer just behind, the energies that are driving the symbolism, the entities that you are interacting with on an astral level while out-of-body in the dream state. It is very interesting to see how the mind/brain interprets and channels the information and energies it is in contact with while in the etheric. I will point out some of it as I go.

The orchestration of this dream becomes evident as it is analyzed, and there is a definate process at work here, which I find fascinating. There is so much information coming to me so quickly, I hope that I can remember it all and keep it straight while trying to convey this as intelligibly as possible, so bare with me!

There are also "heavy" emotions woven into the dream, as would be expected, and it sometimes makes it difficult to separate the information properly.

So, you are in your parent's bedroom. This indicates a need to become more aware of the unconscious, specifically in the area of consciousness you had as a child. This is further indicated as your mother takes you back to that state through remembering. From an "astral" perspective, you and your "mother" exchanged energies (hug) and you received an adjustment to your vibratory rate, similar to that vibration carried by your consciousness as a child, thus enabling you to perceive your father, who has heretofore been "shut out" by the coarse vibrations of emotional upheaval. So, enter your father, by your mother's side - symbolic of the process I just described, and perhaps indicating something more.

Your father comes around the bed to you, you stand next to him, and put your right arm around him. How appropriate! The right symbolizes waking reality, rationality, masculinity. The arm, in this case, is a symbol for reaching out, contacting, extending, embracing. This scene shows that you have the capacity to reach out to your father, consciously, and communicate with him.

Your father receives something, a recording - communication/information. You think perhaps a "diagnostic tool." This idea seems to express a message which indicates that he is working on/with your mother from the other side. This is probably meant in the emotional sense, but could be taken as physical. There is also the possibility that there is something wrong with the actual, physical car, and could be taken as a warning.

You say that in your dream you had forgotten he was dead, but you also say to him that you have not seen him in a while. This indicates that your dream consciousness, the subconsciousness, that which is aware of and interacing with him, is aware and capable of communicating.

Now he takes your left hand and places it on his heart. We have gone from the active, masculine energy (the right, your father) to the passive, receptive, intuitive and feeling feminine side. The hand is another symbol for communication, as well as creation and feeling. So, from the astral or etheric perspective, you were being acclimated to a receptive vibration for receiving communication/energy. We feel with our hands, and through our hearts. So it is appropriate that he would take your left hand, so you could feel the love, the heart ache, but also to feel the life that he still is. And again, after touching your father, he speaks. This is another indication of the astral nature of the meeting, the exchange of energy. "I may be black and blue when I come back in that car, but I'll be back!" This statement is interesting. You will have to rely on your intuition for this meaning, because I am not sure, but here are some thoughts. We think of black and blue as bruising, correct? Injury. And he is refering to your mother's car? Is your mother physically OK? It could be a warning. Or it could be a warning concerning your mother's actual car. Or it could be a reference to reincarnation. Black and blue also symbolize the unconsciousness and subconsciousness, respectively. Perhaps he was saying that he would reincarnate into the family, but unrecognized. There are a number of possibilities. What do you feel? There is also the possibility that he will communicate with you through the car - the radio, for instance. I am just not sure - it could be any or all of these!

The very end of the dream seems disturbing, but I see this in an astral context. At the end, he speaks of black and blue. If he is speaking symbolically about un/subconsciousness, and operating through the astral medium, he could have been either inadvertently or purposefully ending the communication. On that plane, what you think is what you get. Black and blue - un/subconsciousness - back you go. A thought is all it takes. Does that make sense? I am afraid I have not explained this adequately, it is difficult. Perhaps your - or his - emotions interfered with the communication and made his exit seem more unpleasant than it truly was. This is what I feel anyway, and yet not exactly. There is something more here but I am just not getting it yet.

This interpretation fails to convey the potent energy behind the dream, but does give an idea as to where to start. Remember how you felt as a child, and open up to him.

posted December 12, 2001 10:16 AM         

Gemini, I over-analyzed the last statement your father made. I feel that it simply means he will come back to you in the dream state, whether or not you remember or realize it, "he'll be back!" But I also have a feeling you will remember much of him in your dreams in the coming months. Keep your eyes open!

posted December 12, 2001 07:39 PM         

Ra~ Again ! Excellent work ! VA is right, your interps. are like reading a story, which for me, makes learning about your art all the more easy to assimilate, with these dream examples...

~Princess

posted December 14, 2001 04:12 PM         

I am learning much!

posted December 15, 2001 11:37 AM         

But then... so does ARMPIT

~Princess

posted December 15, 2001 12:51 PM         

I don't wear deodorant cuz I don't need to be DeOdored No armpit hair and regular bathing does the trick for me ..... oh, and that I rarely break a sweat probably helps too and if I do, it's called *glistening* Boys ! *sweat*

~Princess

posted December 15, 2001 09:36 PM         

Princess...let me get you down here to Louisiana in August, you'll learn how to SWEAT

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posted December 15, 2001 11:47 PM         

~Princess

posted December 18, 2001 06:54 AM         

You ought to know something. You are too good. I usually have several dreams-which I treat very casually-till something happens in life, which reminds me of my dream.
I shall try to interpret it and take it very seriously from now on.
Any advice on how to start on this, will be appreciated. I do have a book on dreams-but it does not have an interpretation for all symbols.
If I am not being troublesome, can you pl. indicate what this means(No compulsions at all-pl. feel free to ignore if u choose to).
I saw my grandfather doing some maths sums and clearly saw a clock next to him. He was telling me something about the beauty of 12 'o clock, with the second hands at 5 past 12). He was doing maths which others had failed in, in my dream.
Thanks anyway.

posted December 19, 2001 12:56 PM         

I have a feeling that your grandfather is symbolic, rather than literal, and he represents that mature, higher aspect of yourself, a kind of source of knowledge. It is obvious that a message of some sort is being conveyed here, because of the numbers. First the clock, which I am assuming was round, represents time and cycles. Next is the number twelve (which truly is a beautiful number!) which also represents time and cycles. Then we have five which is the symbol of humanity and the senses. It is also related to change (from upper to lower, or otherwise) while at the same "time" representing stability because of its position in the middle. Because of this we have a duality or a dichotomy. Add to this a connection to the life/death/reincarnation cycle (another cycle reference) and the meaning gets pretty confusing. But, nonetheless, we do have a theme emerging relating possibly to some cyclic activity.

Also, we have your "grandfather" doing math. This is a clear indication of rationality, logic.

I am getting a vague impression that this may have something to do with an interest of yours in reincarnation, but I could be wrong!

So, questions: What do you think of numerology? I mean, do you like Linda's stuff, or some other system, or none? Do the numbers 12 or 5 mean anything to you? How do you think of your grandfather? (good, I think!) What did the clock look like? Any other information on the dream you can remember would be helpful.

Also, if anyone else has any thoughts on 12 or 5, please intrude! I know you Linda fans are also thinking of 3 and maybe 8, any ideas?

We will see if we can tie it all together.

posted December 19, 2001 01:54 PM         

The number 5... the second-hand would have passed the 12 in it's forward motion to reach the 5 so maybe we should consider adding the five to the 12 for 17 (which also reduces to 8) ... 17 ~ The Star of the Magi, the image of Love and Peace ...

Still thinking.....

~Princess

posted June 19, 2002 07:10 AM         

Can you help me interpret this dream pl. It has ben pending for a long time and though I dint want to trouble u, it is has stepped back into relevance now.

Thanks,

Seeker

posted June 19, 2002 09:49 AM         

I will do this one again first.

Thank you for your patience, and never hestitate to bring something back up - when it gets busy around here things kind of get swept away. Out of sight, out of mind, right?!

posted June 20, 2002 01:41 AM         

Lol. As far as I know, I am a gal and happy to be one.
There is no cause for offense here.

posted June 20, 2002 10:04 AM         

Anyway, I still intend to re-interpret some of your dreams. I know at one point I was insisting on emotional symbolism and you said you were not sure about that. Inevitably you are the expert of your own dreams, so if it does not feel right, it may not be (and probably is not).

If you can dig up any particular dream you wish to take another look at, please do so.

I will write my re-interpretation of the grandfather dream shortly.

posted June 20, 2002 01:27 PM         

Let us see if this makes more sense, even if it is a bit vague.

It is time to begin a new cycle. Your grandfather symbolizes wisdom/knowledge and he is telling you that it is time (clock) to use logic, to analyze, or to put into order (math) some aspect of your life so that you may better understand the cycles you are living through (12/clock). Some cycle has ended (12) and another has begun (5 after - which points to the 1 on a clock, 1 symbolizing the beginning). This time, however, you will be more aware of (5 = senses) the cyclic influences. By grasping or understanding (sums) the nature of these cycles, you will comprehend, where others do not.

Is this better?

It seems I have also passed over your request for advice on how to interpret - and I apologize for that. I have no formal training in this, but I would be happy to at least try and convey something of what I am learning to you. And you will have to keep in mind that the way I interpret is my way - I cannot speak for anyone else. The true experts would probably laugh.

I think it would be wise to start a new thread for that, so I will do it as soon as I can think of some way to begin. It will be interesting to see if I can explain my twisted and sometimes tangent-like mental processes!